Salary Cap: Pens '24-'25 Salary Thread: The Crosbicles Volume XIX

Gurglesons

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I truly believe he has to answer to Sullivan on certain roster decisions. It is the only thing that makes sense. Because Dubas sabotages his own moves, otherwise. He is either handcuffed or the dumbest of dumb f&^%s.

One must be true.

How has Dubas sabotaged his own moves?

GMs don't make roster decisions unless you are talking signings. And all we heard the last two years was how Dubas and Sully have a great relationship, so he probably is taking Sullivan's opinion in consideration. Which is further proof he thinks the guy is smart.
 

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“I’ve said a couple of times now, if you don’t have Sully, then you’re looking for Sully,” Dubas said. “If you have it, you should keep it, especially when there’s no salary cap when it comes to coaching. It’s much different than the decisions that you make with the roster.”

According to Elliotte Friedman on the 32 Thoughts Podcast, seeing these reports and rumors is surprising.

“Someone had told me that they were surprised by all of this,” Friedman said. “They were under the impression that Sullivan and Dubas had sat down… and they talked about, ‘are we on the same page here going forward?’ The impression in the coaching fraternity is that they were.”

Multiple sources have indicated that the rift between Dubas and Sullivan may have formed thanks to discussions regarding the Penguins assistant coaches.

“Kyle Dubas wants Mike Sullivan to make changes to his coaching staff,” Emily Kaplan of ESPN said on The Drop. “And Mike Sullivan is a super, super loyal guy, and he doesn’t want that.”

“I do think that Mike Sullivan is very loyal,” Kaplan said. “The chances that he leaves Pittsburgh, I would say, are slim. I think that they figure out their differences.”

If anything the narrative this summer was Sullivan would leave versus Kyle firing him. Dubas is a total dork who loves losers. No surprise he's invested in the ultimate dork loser in Sullivan.
 

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So Jarry recalled and Nieto to Wilkes for conditioning stint…looks like we’re going to carry three goalies…good..maybe trade for Jarry forthcoming lol
 

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How has Dubas sabotaged his own moves?

GMs don't make roster decisions unless you are talking signings. And all we heard the last two years was how Dubas and Sully have a great relationship, so he probably is taking Sullivan's opinion in consideration. Which is further proof he thinks the guy is smart.

Well, Dubas trades his best prospect for someone else's best prospect (McGroarty) on the platform of accelerating the rebuild while maintaining competitiveness. So the kid starts off slowly, has one incredible preseason game where his line absolutely dominates, so the kid makes the team. Probably due to injuries but still. Kid starts off slowly, we send him down. Kid loses confidence, now we wonder when we will see the kid again. GM looks bad.

Dubas trades for a terrible contract (term moreso than cap hit) and does not get nearly enough in return for said contract (Hayes). Any chance he had of turning that player into another future asset is seemingly all but gone (which was a long shot to begin with), since the coach is playing this player less than 10 minutes per game. It is probably the right call because Hayes has not stunk nearly as much as others up front, but it seems to me he should play more than some other guys on this roster. If only to protect that asset. Remember, Hayes is still here next season unless we buy him out. GM looks bad.

Dubas signs a reclamation project to a two-year deal (Puljujarvi). This would have looked like one of his best moves to date, considering the shit show this roster has become. But every time we think Puljujarvi is going to get some run in the lineup, he is either sat out or he plays precious few minutes. And when you listen to the national broadcasts like last night, nobody talks about how Puljujarvi SHOULD play more. All they talk about is how inconsistent the player is. The only inconsistent thing about Puljujarvi this season has been ice time. But nobody blames the coach. Ever.


Dubas has a reputation now because of the Toronto stint. Sullivan's reputation is still squeaky clean despite six seasons of either under-performance or lousy performance. It is not even a fair fight. The GM is going to get thrown under the bus every time in this market, and the national media will join in on the fun.

We all know the coach is mostly responsible for this mess we are in. What role Dubas is playing in all of this is the point of contention. I have liked almost nothing that he has done since coming on board. And yet, I struggle to blame him more than he probably deserves because that is what happens in this situation BECAUSE of this damn coach.

Things would change dramatically within this organization if Sullivan were gone. Good, bad or ugly. Change is what this team needs more than anything else. And we are simply not going to get it. If things get worse, I fully expect Sullivan to kick upstairs and Quinn to take over behind the bench. Then, as the first order of business, Grz would get re-signed to a four-year extension.

Bawston, y'all.
 
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What is the evidence?

Frank Spaghetti? Dude sucks.

Dubas is probably the highest compensated GM / POHO in the league right now. No chance in hell an organization is footing that type of contract and then telling him he can't do things.

FSG specifically scooped Dubas. He's their guy. Sullivan may be their guy too, but Dubas has the power. He's just not doing it because it's a lever he can pull, but puts more heat on him. At this point we have people focusing their heat on Sully.
I don't buy that he's not doing it because it would put heat on him. You know what else puts heat on Dubas? The Pens missing the playoffs repeatedly.

Imo Dubas isn't firing Sullivan because he likes him and because Crosby likes him. That's it.
 

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I don't buy that he's not doing it because it would put heat on him. You know what else puts heat on Dubas? The Pens missing the playoffs repeatedly.

Imo Dubas isn't firing Sullivan because he likes him and because Crosby likes him. That's it.

Does it? He’s been peddling a half foot in and half foot out approach since day one.

Well, Dubas trades his best prospect for someone else's best prospect (McGroarty) on the platform of accelerating the rebuild while maintaining competitiveness. So the kid starts off slowly, has one incredible preseason game where his line absolutely dominates, so the kid makes the team. Probably due to injuries but still. Kid starts off slowly, we send him down. Kid loses confidence, now we wonder when we will see the kid again. GM looks bad.

Dubas trades for a terrible contract (term moreso than cap hit) and does not get nearly enough in return for said contract (Hayes). Any chance he had of turning that player into another future asset is seemingly all but gone (which was a long shot to begin with), since the coach is playing this player less than 10 minutes per game. It is probably the right call because Hayes has not stunk nearly as much as others up front, but it seems to me he should play more than some other guys on this roster. If only to protect that asset. Remember, Hayes is still here next season unless we buy him out. GM looks bad.

Dubas signs a reclamation project to a two-year deal (Puljujarvi). This would have looked like one of his best moves to date, considering the shit show this roster has become. But every time we think Puljujarvi is going to get some run in the lineup, he is either sat out or he plays precious few minutes. And when you listen to the national broadcasts like last night, nobody talks about how Puljujarvi SHOULD play more. All they talk about is how inconsistent the player is. The only inconsistent thing about Puljujarvi this season has been ice time. But nobody blames the coach. Ever.


Dubas has a reputation now because of the Toronto stint. Sullivan's reputation is still squeaky clean despite six seasons of either under-performance or lousy performance. It is not even a fair fight. The GM is going to get thrown under the bus every time in this market, and the national media will join in on the fun.

We all know the coach is mostly responsible for this mess we are in. What role Dubas is playing in all of this is the point of contention. I have liked almost nothing that he has done since coming on board. And yet, I struggle to blame him more than he probably deserves because that is what happens in this situation BECAUSE of this damn coach.

Things would change dramatically within this organization if Sullivan were gone. Good, bad or ugly. Change is what this team needs more than anything else. And we are simply not going to get it. If things get worse, I fully expect Sullivan to kick upstairs and Quinn to take over behind the bench. Then, as the first order of business, Grz would get re-signed to a four-year extension.

Bawston, y'all.

Guarantee Dubas continues to fill out the roster with useless depth pieces after Sully is gone. Same narrative was true in Toronto.
 

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So Jarry recalled and Nieto to Wilkes for conditioning stint…looks like we’re going to carry three goalies…good..maybe trade for Jarry forthcoming lol
As someone mentioned, there's like 15 forwards once Nieto is officially off LTIR. Something has to give.
Right now puckpedia says Nieto and Hayes are expected 11/11 and Glass 11/15.
 
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You poor souls thinking we would go outside the organization to replace Sully. It’s going to be a promotion for his clone and BFF. Thats the only way these idiots in charge will be able to be talked out of dumping Sully.
 

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I think you can fire Sully at any point, run with an interim, and just spend the next 6 months searching for the right person for the job longer term. That likely means someone outside of the current NHL sphere of coaches/assistants.

I have no idea who that'd be, and I have pretty much zero faith ownership or this FO would even want to fire Sullivan (I still think it'd have to be Sullivan deciding to step down for any change to happen) let alone find a good replacement given their assessment and adoration of Sullivan.

Bleak.

-edit- The important thing is that this team doesn't have Sullivan or his culture/approach dictating things as they head into another draft and off-season. Enough's enough. Tank this year, dump assets with value (Eller and Petts at the TDL, Rust, EK and Rakell in the off-season) and move on to the next chapter. This no man's land bullshit sucks.
 

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I'm sure the Leafs would do cartwheels for that. Nope.

Robertson's a buy low candidate. That is not buying low.
They would?
Robertson in 101 games vs. 173 for DOC has a tick higher career goals and assists per game average with almost 2 minutes less per game. And he hasn't spent a good amount with Crosby.
Edit- To add, in the Nick Robertson thread on the main page, there's an Instagram photo of a wwe style maple leafs belt draped over his shoulder. He might not be scoring but apparently he's playing well.
The belt is apparently awarded to the Leaf player of the game.
 
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Concussion for Glass. Hayes week-to-week.

I'm not really as down on Hayes as many here. He's matched O'Connor's 4 points in exactly half the minutes on the year.
Yeah he hasn't been great defensively, but I can say the same for many Forwards.

Nieto scored yesterday in Wilkes. Sounds like the plan is for him to get the full 2 weeks of conditioning there.
I'm not really that opposed to him getting a lineup spot when he gets back. We can't defend, and he at least brings that.
 
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Concussion for Glass. Hayes week-to-week.

I'm not really as down on Hayes as many here. He's matched O'Connor's 4 points in exactly half the minutes on the year.
Yeah he hasn't been great defensively, but I can say the same for many Forwards.

Nieto scored yesterday in Wilkes. Sounds like the plan is for him to get the full 2 weeks of conditioning there.
I'm not really that opposed to him getting a lineup spot when he gets back. We can't defend, and he at least brings that.

Meh I would rather see Poulin get rewarded for his strong start. He has been playing Pk down there and even has a shorty. They need to reward some of the young players there who are starting off well.
 

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