Salary Cap: Pens '24-'25 Salary Thread: The Crosbicles Volume XIX

[Gurglesons]

Should be DOC out, Pulju in next game, if there was any justice.

I don’t really get this. DOC is our best PKer and is creating a ton there.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

On the Eller talk. Expiring deals are what GMs want more maximum flexibility.
Decision to sign them if they are interested or decision to let them walk as a rental.

I am confident in a late 2nd happening. Teams like Colorado who desperately needed forward depth even before the injuries.

Eller would fit in well for them. I actually discussed DOC and Eller with a fan on the trade board and roughly the prices being thrown out were something to consider.

Eller I don't expect to play this well and DOC to step up. These 2 players will get us something.

Petts I am still torn on. But I think the current Penguins performance has shown we should not pay him a 6 million by x deal. Just isn't worth it to us and that 1st unfortunately is something we should get.

 

[SEALBound]

Ideally Dubas speaks to his camp before the tdl and has some idea of their intentions. If they aren't deadset on re-signing and want to test ufa then yeah cya

I imagine he already knows or has an idea at least. DOC just hasn't broken out at a level that will command much more than a $1-1.5mil per year deal for 1-2yrs. Overall, I'd prefer to keep him as he still does a lot of things well, especially on the PK and on the forecheck.

The key will be is Dubas can rid of guys like Acciari, Hayes, Lizotte, etc. That said, I'd say except for injuries, he's pretty much a lock for 3LW for as long as he wants to be here. I just don't see other teams saying "Oh man! I want to pay him $3-4mil and put him in our top 6!" Like Puustinen, I think he's getting about as good of a shot in the NHL as he will possibly get here.

 

[Gurglesons]

I imagine he already knows or has an idea at least. DOC just hasn't broken out at a level that will command much more than a $1-1.5mil per year deal for 1-2yrs. Overall, I'd prefer to keep him as he still does a lot of things well, especially on the PK and on the forecheck.

The key will be is Dubas can rid of guys like Acciari, Hayes, Lizotte, etc. That said, I'd say except for injuries, he's pretty much a lock for 3LW for as long as he wants to be here. I just don't see other teams saying "Oh man! I want to pay him $3-4mil and put him in our top 6!" Like Puustinen, I think he's getting about as good of a shot in the NHL as he will possibly get here.

We just got paid to take on Hayes. Not sure anyone wants him.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I don’t think that’s true at all.

95% go where they will be paid most regardless of the team’s recent success.

Yeah but we no longer will get the benefit of guys wanting to take a cheap bridge deal, that’s the main difference. Of course, we don’t do to well with the bargain bin stuff so I don’t really think it’s a net negative, per se.

Ideally Dubas speaks to his camp before the tdl and has some idea of their intentions. If they aren't deadset on re-signing and want to test ufa then yeah cya

I just can’t imagine his representation encouraging a guy to hitch his wagon to a sinking ship when he could probably get a better deal and play for a better team elsewhere.

 

[Pancakes]

We just got paid to take on Hayes. Not sure anyone wants him.

Probably not this year given he's got the extra year tacked on.

Next year they should be able to fetch some late round pick for him if his game hasn't fallen off a cliff by then.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

This team's not getting shit for Hayes. You're probably looking at like a 3rd for Eller who is about 100x the player Hayes is. If this team even has the f***ing brains to shop guys like Eller and Petts, of which I'm skeptical.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

We just got paid to take on Hayes. Not sure anyone wants him.

Probably not this year given he's got the extra year tacked on.

Next year they should be able to fetch some late round pick for him if his game hasn't fallen off a cliff by then.

My thoughts. Hayes this year we are stuck with him and honestly he's played well enough that he can be hear.

Next year however teams looking for a bottom 6C upgrade can have him. We will have 2 retention spots next year if not 3. (I am still thinking retain big on Karlsson and get assets back)

A 2 million dollar Hayes could get a 3rd back I think.

 

[Zbynek]

Lmao this team is f***ed. Dubas absolutely blew it

 

[Pancakes]

Lmao this team is f***ed. Dubas absolutely blew it

Brave words after our impressive two game winning streak against *checks notes* the 25th and 30th place teams in the league.

 

[Zbynek]

I would argue that even after the Karlsson trade, we looked like a team that could worm its way out of the mess we are in. But none of the moves since have panned out at all, partly because of his evaluation and partly because of the coach's utilization/power trip.

You could also just say: None of Dubas' moves have panned out for the Penguins. That's allowed. You can say that.

 

[SEALBound]

Probably not this year given he's got the extra year tacked on.

Next year they should be able to fetch some late round pick for him if his game hasn't fallen off a cliff by then.

Yeah, next off season I could see someone wanting a bottom 6 center that might be interested in him. Especially if he has a decent season here.

I bet he'd be available for a 5th.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I think Petry and Smith's retained money both come off the books July 1st, right?

The second Rust's NTC drops off this summer, he's one of your retained slots, EK's another, and the third should probably be kept open and used for somebody like Rakell, or Jarry, or Graves (to try and get *anything* of value from the last two) if you find a deal down the line. But the first two, Rust and EK, should be locked-in as retention slots imo.

 

[Ulf5]

I think Petry and Smith's retained money both come off the books July 1st, right?

The second Rust's NTC drops off this summer, he's one of your retained slots, EK's another, and the third should probably be kept open and used for somebody like Rakell, or Jarry, or Graves (to try and get *anything* of value from the last two) if you find a deal down the line. But the first two, Rust and EK, should be locked-in as retention slots imo.

Correct, they'll have all 3 spots open next season.

 

[Freeptop]

Dupuis provided details on how Malkin, Sullivan and Kessel were not all on the same page because Malkin and Kessel weren't committed to playing a complete game.

I made a comment about how Frankie Corrado also said the same thing.

Let's continue to whiteknight Sullivan though.

The original context was about coaches playing young players, so with that, I found it funny to bring up Dupuis. Fair enough that you were changing the context, there, though.

In terms of "whiteknighting Sullivan" - that was definitely not my intent. I didn't phrase it very well.
My intent was to say that on the one hand, here on "Hockey's Future" we tend to complain about every coach not playing prospects enough. On the other hand, the longer Sullivan has been coach, the worse he's gotten about playing prospects - he's been the coach for too long, and this is yet another symptom of that.

I'm definitely in the "Sullivan has got to go" camp these days (even if I was later to it than some around these parts).

 

[SEALBound]

I think Petry and Smith's retained money both come off the books July 1st, right?

The second Rust's NTC drops off this summer, he's one of your retained slots, EK's another, and the third should probably be kept open and used for somebody like Rakell, or Jarry, or Graves (to try and get *anything* of value from the last two) if you find a deal down the line. But the first two, Rust and EK, should be locked-in as retention slots imo.

I don't think Rust will need retention. The benefit of trading for Rust is now, after a couple years, you're paying slightly less than current market value. By next year, a guy like him costs $5.5-6mil, easily. EK I imagine will need some retention. I think they wait until the last year to do it too.

Jarry who knows. I have no idea what the correct path is there other than stealing Doc Brown's Delorean old Biff style.

 

[Gurglesons]

I don't think Rust will need retention. The benefit of trading for Rust is now, after a couple years, you're paying slightly less than current market value. By next year, a guy like him costs $5.5-6mil, easily. EK I imagine will need some retention. I think they wait until the last year to do it too.

Jarry who knows. I have no idea what the correct path is there other than stealing Doc Brown's Delorean old Biff style.

Rust will be 33 next year. Maybe we get some team to take him for nothing. But like.. you are retaining.

 

[SEALBound]

Rust will be 33 next year. Maybe we get some team to take him for nothing. But like.. you are retaining.

I could see us taking a contact back but not retaining. And if you can't make that deal happen, you don't do it. With where the team is at right now, you don't waste a retention slot of Rust, especially if his value is as low as you seem to think it is.

You save those slots for major retentions like Jarry/Karlsson or for TDL deals on expiring deals to get that 1st over the 2nd such as Pettersson.

 

[HandshakeLine]

It’s real easy to find a taker for Rust with no retention if you simply just don’t look at his on ice play and age.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

So if Sid and Geno on a line is going to be a thing moving forward, are we, uh, going to address the fact we don't have a second line now?

Sullivan could always get creative and try some of the young guys on that line, but we know the chances of that sticking beyond a 2 or 3 game moment of panic is slim.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

So if Sid and Geno on a line is going to be a thing moving forward, are we, uh, going to address the fact we don't have a second line now?

Sullivan could always get creative and try some of the young guys on that line, but we know the chances of that sticking beyond a 2 or 3 game moment of panic is slim.

Bunting-Eller-Rust is worth a shot. Might be decent. Bunting seems close to breaking through. The high danger chances are coming now. Hopefully it happens tonight.
It's all about the cumulative results of the top-six. If L1 scores enough to justify an L2 regression in goals, and the combined defending is decent, you do it.

Eller's done pretty well to squeeze out 7 points in 13 games with low O-zone starts and questionable linemates. If he helps suppress goals against for L2 and his scoring is like 20% worse than an average 2C, that's fine. You can get away with that.

 

[Malkinstheman]

Putting Sid and Geno together is gonna be a disaster the next couple of games. The Isles, Stars and Canes are gonna rip the other 3 lines apart

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Putting Sid and Geno together is gonna be a disaster the next couple of games. The Isles, Stars and Canes are gonna rip the other 3 lines apart

I trust you meant to say Caps instead of Isles. Cuz the Isles are 31st in GF/G right now. Barzal and Duclair out too.
Caps are #3.

Idk. We tried a more balanced approach vs Carolina and were lifeless and got shutout. I'd prefer to have one line going and generating than none. We're likely gonna lose either way.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I'm trying to figure out how Pascal Dupuis gives extra weight to talking about how Sullivan treats younger players, given that Dupuis was 29 when he first came to Pittsburgh... and didn't play for Sullivan until 6 years after that.

I'll also point out that people said the exact same things about Bylsma, when he was head coach. I've definitely heard the same complaint from several other fanbases.

That said, the number of prospects who have gotten anything close to a shot under Sullivan has dwindled over time. I suspect at least some of Sullivan being unusual in this regard is related to how unusual it is to retain a head coach for this long.

Dupuis said what? That bushy browed wanker was basically done when that twat took over as coach, the f*** does that wanker have anything to say about the situation.

Putting Sid and Geno together is gonna be a disaster the next couple of games. The Isles, Stars and Canes are gonna rip the other 3 lines apart

Raks + Sid was always the solution. Geno is just overkill and now f***ed being a decoy so Sid can get wanked off by the dipshits in the media as being "back" and now the narrative will be how Geno isn't doing enough.

I hope the gimped Isles just f*** them up. Go be super dirty Isles and rile these twats up and have them completely lose the plot and be embarrassed.

 

[canadianguy77]

So if Sid and Geno on a line is going to be a thing moving forward, are we, uh, going to address the fact we don't have a second line now?

Sullivan could always get creative and try some of the young guys on that line, but we know the chances of that sticking beyond a 2 or 3 game moment of panic is slim.

Glass and Pulijujarvi both have the smarts/talent to play up in the lineup. (And I really don’t care if someone tries to convonce me Glass is garbage. I see something else.)
If the coach wasn’t so regimented, there are some options to try. Unfortunately, he is who he is, so it would take more injuries to see other combos.