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Salary Cap: Pens '24-'25 Salary Thread: The Crosbicles Volume XIX

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Guys like Granlund and McCann were nowhere near as good as Penguins, though. That is because of the head coach. So yeah, we could fill an entire lineup of ex-Penguins that are better than the non-superstars on this roster right now, but there is only one common denominator to all of it. The bench boss.

Jesse Puljujarvi was on his way to start making people forget about some of the past blunders this season, so naturally Mike Sullivan pulled the plug on that very very quickly.

Again, how can we evaluate the GMs under this head coach when he literally ruins the market values of so many players?


Also, I rarely pay any attention to what Dan Kingerski has to write about, but an article came onto my phone the other day that was particularly nauseating. In it, he basically said Mike Sullivan is doing everything he can to turn things around, so now it is time for Dubas to step up.

If that is the prevailing opinion by the local scribes, then the GM (and the ones before him) are up shit's creek without a paddle.
 
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Jag68Sid87 said:
Guys like Granlund and McCann were nowhere near as good as Penguins, though. That is because of the head coach. So yeah, we could fill an entire lineup of ex-Penguins that are better than the non-superstars on this roster right now, but there is only one common denominator to all of it. The bench boss.
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Even though, especially in hindsight, keeping McCann was probably the proper move, THIS.
1- As a Pen McCann didn't average that 33 goals pace per season. 22 goal pace.
2- McCann never would've reached the 16 plus minutes per night he's received since he left. Sully, enough said. He only got the 15 mini because of injuries iirc.
3- Most importantly, his goals per season pace in the playoffs was a big fat squadoosh. Zero! Yes they were still making the playoffs then believe it or not.
4- The year after letting McCann go and keeping BJFC, BJFC had 7-4-1-5 in said playoffs.
 
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HandshakeLine said:
I mean Danny Shirey sucks because he's a coward who couldn't slurp enough shit while he was employed as a "journalist" but he's not exactly wrong here. Broken clocks, twice a day, etc.
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It is possibly the most basic take for the last decade of hemorrhaging assets so naturally he can grasp that. Makes him look intelligent for the window licking fans left on Twitter who’s only other news source for the team is Yohe.
 
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Ulf5 said:
Even though, especially in hindsight, keeping McCann was probably the proper move, THIS.
1- As a Pen McCann didn't average that 33 goals pace per season. 22 goal pace.
2- McCann never would've reached the 16 plus minutes per night he's received since he left. Sully, enough said. He only got the 15 mini because of injuries iirc.
3- Most importantly, his goals per season pace in the playoffs was a big fat squadoosh. Zero! Yes they were still making the playoffs then believe it or not.
4- The year after letting McCann go and keeping BJFC, BJFC had 7-4-1-5 in said playoffs.
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Even at the time, it should have been obvious that Carter was only looking good because of the restrictions and shortened season when he was acquired. Not exposing him was criminal, almost as bad as that horrid extension that he signed.
 
Let’s not forget this site largely tried to defend Sleepy’s dumbass decision to not protect McCann in the expansion draft.

McCann was crapped on here because he didnt produce in the playoffs, even though he was paired with the ghosts of Marleau and Horny (very few Pens players produced in the playoffs during the same stretch), and he was crapped on for being on so many teams at such a young age.

At this rate, the Guentzel trade might actually be worse than not protecting McCann. Bunting is hot garbage - closer to a cap dump at this point.

Congrats to Dubass, I guess? Being dumber than Hextall is very impressive.
 
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Gurglesons said:
I never got the love for the signing of Lizotte.

I like Lizotte, but we had Hayes, Eller, and Acciari all at that point.

He just adds more boring defensive hockey to our bottom six at the expense of a prospect who could actaully add some offensive bite.
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Agreed we had enough. Most likely worth his contract but it didn't make sense.
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I won't speak on McCanns incredible pace of goal scoring.

However I do agree Hextall really nuked this team on assets.

We can blame Dubas on the 1st but man o man if I was a GM coming into the summer Dubas came in it had got to be one of the 5 worse teams to take on.
 
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KrisLetAngry said:
Agreed we had enough. Most likely worth his contract but it didn't make sense.

I won't speak on McCanns incredible pace of goal scoring.

However I do agree Hextall really nuked this team on assets.

We can blame Dubas on the 1st but man o man if I was a GM coming into the summer Dubas came in it had got to be one of the 5 worse teams to take on.
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When Dubas acquired this team he had 20 mil in space. He had multiple draft picks. He had the below roster.

Guentzel - Crosby - Rust
Granlund - Malkin - Rakell
X - Jeff Carter - X
X - X - X

Pettersson - Letang
POJ - Petry
X - Rutta

X
Desmith

RFAs: Smith, DOC, Gruden

He had the assets and cash to make a team that could be competitive if he took the Washington model approach.
 
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Even at the time, it should have been obvious that Carter was only looking good because of the restrictions and shortened season when he was acquired. Not exposing him was criminal, almost as bad as that horrid extension that he signed.
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Carter put up 19 goals and 45 points the following year playing largely in a 2/3C role. It was obviously the right move to keep him over McCann given our aspirations that year.

The extension was always the issue.
 
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KrisLetAngry said:
Agreed we had enough. Most likely worth his contract but it didn't make sense.f

I won't speak on McCanns incredible pace of goal scoring.

However I do agree Hextall really nuked this team on assets.

We can blame Dubas on the 1st but man o man if I was a GM coming into the summer Dubas came in it had got to be one of the 5 worse teams to take on.
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Attn. Danny.........unless you can show you were against the Carter for McCann at the time... Shut up...

I can show it.
 
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Jag68Sid87 said:
Guys like Granlund and McCann were nowhere near as good as Penguins, though. That is because of the head coach. So yeah, we could fill an entire lineup of ex-Penguins that are better than the non-superstars on this roster right now, but there is only one common denominator to all of it. The bench boss.
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McCann 1.88 5v5 P/P60 as a Penguin. Top-six quality scoring. +31.
Wasn't the brightest move to get rid of that guy at 25 years old when he was making 2.94M for another season.
They chose a 35 y/o over him.

Anyways, I don't think it really matters. We still wouldn't have won any rounds.
 
We all know it's not just the GM that wants these players moved...

This Roster was approved/acquired by Mike Sullivan to appease Mike Sullivan.

I remember 4..5...6... years ago a small contingent of this board said, "Sully just needs a better ROSTERZ"... Dudes a bad coach and we are actively sabotaging our Roster by continuing to cater to his American Grinderz over talent.

But don't worry, next year, his 5-6th new Roster will be the one.
 
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We all know it's not just the GM that wants these players moved...

This Roster was approved/acquired by Mike Sullivan to appease Mike Sullivan.

I remember 4..5...6... years ago a small contingent of this board said, "Sully just needs a better ROSTERZ"... Dudes a bad coach and we are actively sabotaging our Roster by continuing to cater to his American Grinderz over talent.

But don't worry, next year, his 5-6th new Roster will be the one.
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7 roster and 6 assistant coaching staff cleanses later and the organization is still full of ****. Couldn't be the coach, though.
 
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Devils fan here, Couldn't find a better thread to ask.

Do you think Ellers is available? if so what do you think would be the ask?
 
Gurglesons said:
I doubt Eller returns a 2nd.

Probably a 3rd.
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maybe, I;d be okay with giving up a 2nd round pick as a Devils fan.

Ellers isn't a star but he is like clockwork every year and his stats stay the same. There is value in knowing exactly what your getting out a a player you trade for.
 
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maybe, I;d be okay with giving up a 2nd round pick as a Devils fan.

Ellers isn't a star but he is like clockwork every year and his stats stay the same. There is value in knowing exactly what your getting out a a player you trade for.
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It's Eller.
 
Xirik said:
maybe, I;d be okay with giving up a 2nd round pick as a Devils fan.

Ellers isn't a star but he is like clockwork every year and his stats stay the same. There is value in knowing exactly what your getting out a a player you trade for.
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He'd be one of your best defensive Forwards at ES and PK, and produce like a decent 3C with low O-zone starts.
My belief is that that should be worth a 2nd at the deadline. Then again GMs do weird things, so...
 
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maybe, I;d be okay with giving up a 2nd round pick as a Devils fan.

Ellers isn't a star but he is like clockwork every year and his stats stay the same. There is value in knowing exactly what your getting out a a player you trade for.
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I mean yeah sure he's been a 20-30 pt guy for his career. Is that supposed to be impressive?

He's been fine in PIT, but as Colorado saw he's not really much of a gamer anymore.

Would love if we could fool someone into giving us a 2nd for him.
 
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