Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "Mandrake, do you recall what Clemenceau once said about hockey"

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MP at $4.0 million would command quite a haul. We've seen horrible D go for 1sts plus in the past.
Rakell MIGHT have positive value if Dubas can stomach a 2nd retention spot and 5 years of dead cap.
Doubt they'd trade Jarry already.

I am not burning a retention spot on Rakell. We already need one for EK65 and we have Petry taking one as well.

Rust if it got us a 1st? Sure. Guentzel at the TDL, since the spot comes off after the year anyway? Also sure.
 
Smith, Rakell, Rust (if he agreed to waive), Eller, and Pettersson would generate varying levels of interest. Call me crazy, but I think with retention and if he agreed to waive, even Carter could be traded. Teams do dumb shit for 'veteran leadership'.

Or they could just fire Sullivan instead of trading everybody at their lowest.
Exactly, it's time to approach these guys, letting them know they're going in a different direction and they're not going to be needed going forward. Give me a list of teams, speak to the wife and off you go!! Start cleaning house here Dubas and let's move on!
 
Exactly, it's time to approach these guys, letting them know they're going in a different direction and they're not going to be needed going forward. Give me a list of teams, speak to the wife and off you go!! Start cleaning house here Dubas and let's move on!
That's not exactly my point.

I'm pointing out they have pieces they could trade if they want, but really what I'm saying is that they need to fire Sullivan.
 
Retaining on Rakell is a nonstarter. He's not been that bad since coming back from injury.
Completely agree. Retention is moronic especially that long. Was just opining Rakell would probably have positive value with it.
Imo, only acceptable retention would be in a case like if Carter were traded. Then they're only retaining until the end of the season.
 
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With the cap jumping $5 million this summer and probably next, even meh guys like Rakell are easily moved starting next year imo. He's a decent middle-6/3rd line guy making what is probably gonna be a relatively easy to absorb cap hit moving forward. Retention should be reserved for guys on expiring deals to maximize the value of the return (Jake, or Zucker last year, or Rust the year before :P), or guys like EK who make obscene money that would be hard for any team to fit in.
 
Honestly I'm not hating on dubas that hard, yet.

1. He wasn't the one who signed rust to a nmc, resigned Carter and gave him a nmc, gave away McCann and blueger, or extended Sullivan.

2. The only moves that I don't like when you take Sullivan out of the equation are, in retrospect, graves as it turns out he needs a defense first partner to be effective ala Marino instead of being that guy for a letang or karlsson, and waiver pick ups in Harkins and the new midget who Sullivan just can't resist putting into the line up.

In terms of basic roster construction, discounting injuries, there was a legit top six that Sullivan has completely wasted by not giving Malkin linemates he can produce with. I remember the days of Francis getting jagr and Stevens or nedved, while Mario was playing with total scrubs because he could and it balanced out top six production yet here we are with Malkin playing with a third liner in O',Conner and smith who obviously wants to be traded back west. Hell I'd have had sid with rackell and puusy with Geno getting Jake and rust while smith sat for being a sulking little bitch as far back as December.

Eller has, for most of the season been a fantastic bottom six center, but his line either should have been a total shut down third line with accari at right wing with a young fast and hungry fourth line, or a better third line should have been constricted with both eller and accari on the fourth.

Accari is not a center, putting at center completely neuters him since he plays "his" game along the boards and in the corners.

With Jake out and on ltir, there are no cap based reasons for Carter to play. He should be sat and the young guys who could potentially be in the NHL should be given a chance to play some games. Not white, not hinostroza, not Harkins, not the midget. Gruden/poulin (when healthy)/puusy, maybe even give Nylander one last shot at a spot in this org.

Yeah dubas picked up a crap ton of AHL defenders for depth, but it was Sullivan that ruined poj's development by playing shea and ruh over him for weeks at a time when both were literally losing the team games early in the season. Sullivan also doesn't seem able or willing to work with young defenders and let smith rot in the ahl as well.

It and wasnt dubas who broke up pettersson and karlsson when they surprisingly had some of the best advanced metrics in the league for the first two months of the season to help keep the illusion that letang was the number 1 defender. defenseman.

It's not dubas who can't run the powerplay.

And it's not dubas spouting off cliche ass responses after each game instead of making actual line up or strategy changes.
 
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I wasn't happy with Dubas' first summer, but I don't really give a shit anymore. Apathy isn't even a strong enough word for how I feel about the team while they're in this weird no man's land in between competing and rebuilding.

I'll judge Dubas on what he's able to get when he begins the tear down, and how things go for the rebuilding/development stage of the next chapter.

People don't wanna hear it, but none of this shit matters anymore. It hasn't for years. Every summer we all kick around ideas that end up about 500x as ambitious as what the team actually does because this organization's either too incompetent, too arrogant, or a bit of both, to pinpoint, address and improve issues.
 
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I liked Dubas summer but that was assuming he actually committed to a direction during the season. This is a bad joke watching the same shit every night and just letting it play out. You brought in Karlsson to sit on your hands while you’re a lottery team in late Feb?
 
I’ve always said I don’t think Sully survives a 3rd GM but everyday I’m starting to think I was wrong.
 
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I’ve always said I don’t think Sully survives a 3rd GM but everyday I’m starting to think I was wrong.

All you need to know is that the core still wants him here…he’ll go when they tell Dubas otherwise…someone needs to sit Sid down and have a talk lol
 

This entire season, it's been one thing or another:

1. The powerplay. The lackluster powerplay not producing has led to losses. Especially all those game where it goes 0-6 or 0-7.
2. The goalies. As great as Jarry and Neds have played for most of the season, there were absolutely games that were singlehandedly lost by those two. That said, they've also won us a couple games.
3. Depth. Top 6 is doing their part but for the most part, all of the depth that Dubas brought in hasn't been doing theirs.

If any one of those three things doesn't hit on any given day, a win is highly unlikely.

I think I’m beginning to understand the idiocy that was the fire Hextall movement.
The bad part of Hextall was - he didn't build for now and he didn't build for the future. He was the worst of both and all worlds.

The only trade that was semi-tolerable is the Rakell trade. All of the others were not good moves for the team.
 
The bad part of Hextall was - he didn't build for now and he didn't build for the future. He was the worst of both and all worlds.

The only trade that was semi-tolerable is the Rakell trade. All of the others were not good moves for the team.

He kept the 1st round pick that turned into Yager and took Mursashov and Pickering who looks like they could be something. Wild cards like Broz and Plante are floating around too.

He literally got 2 drafts one of which was pillaged by Rutherford. Not sure what else people expected him to do, especially given the same exact script is being followed by Dubas this year.
 
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He kept the 1st round pick that turned into Yager and took Mursashov and Pickering who looks like they could be something. Wild cards like Broz and Plante are floating around too.

He literally got 2 drafts one of which was pillaged by Rutherford. Not sure what else people expected him to do, especially given the same exact script is being followed by Dubas this year.

Not trade for Granlund.

Aside from that Hextall was fine. The Granlund trade was the killer.
 
I liked Dubas summer but that was assuming he actually committed to a direction during the season. This is a bad joke watching the same shit every night and just letting it play out. You brought in Karlsson to sit on your hands while you’re a lottery team in late Feb?
Being tight against the cap makes it tough. The intent was to compete this year and I think for the most part, Dubas made the moves to make that possible. It's not Dubas's fault that Sullivan wrecks the lineup each night or that the duds we do have are underperforming.

The signings I've been harsh on are Nieto and Acciari but at the time, those two as targets made a lot of sense. They're just underperforming relative to expectations - Acciari more so given his $2mil hit.

I think as long as Crosby is PPG and Malkin is a capable 2C, I think we still have one more season (next year) to "go for it". Not to the extremes but still build a roster that we want to get into the playoffs. Dubas just has to be willing to do the surgery. And that includes up at the TDL.

Trade Guentzel for the best "futures + young player" return you can get. Trade Smith for a different player or a higher pick return. Send out Acciari for whatever you can get. Trade Neds for a pick just to get value. Then in the off-season, see if you can do a Graves or Rakell swap with someone. I would be looking for an offensive 3C as well. I also wouldn't balk at the idea of using draft capital that we get to get a solid 2C. That could shift Malkin to 3C or bump him to a wing.
 
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He kept the 1st round pick that turned into Yager and took Mursashov and Pickering who looks like they could be something. Wild cards like Broz and Plante are floating around too.

He literally got 2 drafts one of which was pillaged by Rutherford. Not sure what else people expected him to do, especially given the same exact script is being followed by Dubas this year.
Luckily he did keep the 1st round picks, I'll give him credit for that. We will see how Pickering turns out, but Dubas and company took Yager and it looks like a fantastic pick!

The 10 days or so surrounding last years deadline when it started by him putting Kapanen on waivers is where he went downhill followed by Grandlunc, Kulikov etc...
 
Being tight against the cap makes it tough. The intent was to compete this year and I think for the most part, Dubas made the moves to make that possible. It's not Dubas's fault that Sullivan wrecks the lineup each night or that the duds we do have are underperforming.

The signings I've been harsh on are Nieto and Acciari but at the time, those two as targets made a lot of sense. They're just underperforming relative to expectations - Acciari more so given his $2mil hit.

I think as long as Crosby is PPG and Malkin is a capable 2C, I think we still have one more season (next year) to "go for it". Not to the extremes but still build a roster that we want to get into the playoffs. Dubas just has to be willing to do the surgery. And that includes up at the TDL.

Trade Guentzel for the best "futures + young player" return you can get. Trade Smith for a different player or a higher pick return. Send out Acciari for whatever you can get. Trade Neds for a pick just to get value. Then in the off-season, see if you can do a Graves or Rakell swap with someone. I would be looking for an offensive 3C as well. I also wouldn't balk at the idea of using draft capital that we get to get a solid 2C. That could shift Malkin to 3C or bump him to a wing.

Dubas didn't make one good UFA signing outside of Ned this summer.

I'm so frightened by what Dubas will do next year. I fully imagine we are going to do something really stupid to "compete" by giving a player like Lindholm 9.5-10 mil over 7 years.

Luckily he did keep the 1st round picks, I'll give him credit for that. We will see how Pickering turns out, but Dubas and company took Yager and it looks like a fantastic pick!

The 10 days or so surrounding last years deadline when it started by him putting Kapanen on waivers is where he went downhill followed by Grandlunc, Kulikov etc...

Kulikov was a great move tbh. Getting rid of McGinn for just a 3rd and acquiring a defenseman back with no term given the injuries was good work.

Blueger trade was good too given what he had done that season.
 
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