Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "Mandrake, do you recall what Clemenceau once said about hockey"

[DesertedPenguin]

Bryan Rust in the 15-16 regular season played a total of 10 minutes of PK time in 40+ games and scored 11 points.

Connor Sheary in 15-16 regular season played 44 games and scored 10 points.

Puustinen has played 21 games and had 9 points.

Sheary was over a point per game in the AHL. That's what I'm talking about. He made it impossible for the Pens to ignore him and forced his way into the NHL. Despite his meager NHL production, it was clear that he no longer belonged in the AHL.

Rust didn't PK, but he played in a defensive role that season. In fact, it's the only season where he had the majority of his starts in the defensive zone. He was given a role and he built up trust, and the following year his role expanded. DOC has done the same thing.

White, Harkins, etc. suck. No argument.

If Puustinen were to get another shot in the top six, that's fine. Nothing else has worked. But I am considerably underwhelmed by him. Same with Zohorna and Nylander. Shit, Jonathan Gruden looks more serviceable than them and has built a better case for an NHL opportunity.

I hope he's not actually Josh Yohe because we're not allowed personal attacks on posters and I really like ripping Yohe apart every time he tweets some dumb shit that shows he has no clue what he's covering.

Well, you're in luck. Fire away at Yohe, because I'm not him.

Let it all out.

 

[Gurglesons]

Sheary was over a point per game in the AHL. That's what I'm talking about. He made it impossible for the Pens to ignore him and forced his way into the NHL. Despite his meager NHL production, it was clear that he no longer belonged in the AHL.

Rust didn't PK, but he played in a defensive role that season. In fact, it's the only season where he had the majority of his starts in the defensive zone. He was given a role and he built up trust, and the following year his role expanded. DOC has done the same thing.

White, Harkins, etc. suck. No argument.

If Puustinen were to get another shot in the top six, that's fine. Nothing else has worked. But I am considerably underwhelmed by him. Same with Zohorna and Nylander. Shit, Jonathan Gruden looks more serviceable than them.

This is such a bullshit answer. Who gives a shit what they did in the AHL?

We iced a player who has 0 points in 7 games and was on for 3 GA tonight in White over Puustinen.

There is no logical reason for Colin White to be playing over Puustinen. All situations for both. He's been on for 2 GF and 5 GA in 8 games. Puustinen was on for 15 GF and 6 GA in 21.

Harkins has been on the ice for 4 GF in 34.

What the f*** are we doing here?

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Well, they are exactly what most of us thought they'd be at least. They're marginally better when it comes to allowing goals, but they still can't score, the power play still sucks, and the coaches are still garbage. Extremely predictable season tbh.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

@Gurglesons I just realized that your bullet points stuff was Yohe’s comments. Yohe is a wanker.

In his shitty article, not once does he mention any sort of option for a coaching change. Not one. It’s about trade this or that bloke or do nothing and do this or that, but not once does he even though on the coaching change as an option.

I mean tell me you aren’t protecting a coach without telling me you’re protecting the coach…

 

[Gurglesons]

For those people that think the 15-16 roster was such a lightning rod compared to what we iced tonight.

Weird how a new coach completely helped remake a roster.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

This is such a bullshit answer. Who gives a shit what they did in the AHL?

We iced a player who has 0 points in 7 games and was on for 3 GA tonight in White over Puustinen.

There is no logical reason for Colin White to be playing over Puustinen. All situations for both. He's been on for 2 GF and 5 GA in 8 games. Puustinen was on for 15 GF and 6 GA in 21.

Harkins has been on the ice for 4 GF in 34.

What the f*** are we doing here?

Harkins and White suck. I've said that.

Give Puustinen another shot. Id love to be wrong about him. But I don't see him sticking with anyone.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Well, they are exactly what most of us thought they'd be at least. They're marginally better when it comes to allowing goals, but they still can't score, the power play still sucks, and the coaches are still garbage. Extremely predictable season tbh.

Jarry and Ned have been incredible this year and that’s the worst part of this, Sullivan has tanked the team so badly and this time the goaltending can’t be used as the excuse, it’s his system on full display. The narrative to hate on Jarry, I stated before the collapse that playing Jarry in 4 out of the last 5 is not good and Ned needed to play (he played well vs the Panthers in the Shootout loss, why wouldn’t they go back to him?). Funny enough, Jarry and Ned both had good games vs the Panthers this season, until this one that is. But whatever, blaming the goalie on the collapse of an awful team is hardly the point I am getting at, just searching for something in all of this.

The rotation has gone back to making zero sense.


“I don’t see him sticking with anyone…” - About a player that looked good with Malkin and was taken off for no reason and then stuck into the bottom 6 where offense goes to die In the legendary Sullivan system….

Lol

 

[Gurglesons]

Plotnikov and Spring suck. I've said that.

Give Rust another shot. Id love to be wrong about him. But I don't see him sticking with anyone.

Found this post from 15-16.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Found this post from 15-16.

I think the funniest thing about Plotnikov was that Crosby supposedly wanted the Pens to sign him to play with him and then they never played him with Crosby, lol. That whole thing was a mess.

Mate, remember when the Pens enticed Pesonen to come over and then the most usage he got was the 4th line, they got a bloke that had top 6 talent and then tried him on the 4th line. You’d think I was talking about Mike Sullivan, but that was Sullivan 1.0 - Disco Dan.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Harkins and White suck. I've said that.

Give Puustinen another shot. Id love to be wrong about him. But I don't see him sticking with anyone.

I just want to share that Puust when he was up and including his time in the bottom 6.

He has one of the best points per 60 on the team he's like 7th or 8th when he got dropped. I am not saying he is some savior.

He just worked better than what we have been doing.

 

[Hockey4Lyfe]

It would be fun if they attempted to do anything note worthy outside of shuffling the deck chairs (personnel) on the Titanic.

Not one firing of an assistant coach who is in charge of this shit (especially the power play) and no true player movements.

Hell, they have actively sent down youth who have shown something for the likes of Colin White, Harkins, etc etc.

Every coach attached to this team should honestly be on the hot seat from Sullivan down. They keep this up and an entire overhaul should be happening.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Keep, by default: Crosby, Malkin, Letang
Trade: whoever, but maybe hold onto Pettersson and Eller

 

[pistolpete11]

Keep, by default: Crosby, Malkin, Letang
Trade: whoever, but maybe hold onto Pettersson and Eller

Eller got a second round pick last year. If they can get that again, I'd take it.

And I'm one who liked that signing.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Fingers crossed Sully wants to GM this summer. (I'm not being serious, but that would be sick.)

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

The Babcock debacle alone should have sealed it.

 

[Andy99]

Sadly, this is probably what’s going to happen, or not happen lol

It feels like the Penguins might not actually do anything

Buy? Sell? Fire somebody? What if they don't actually do anything?

www.pensburgh.com

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Sadly, this is probably what’s going to happen, or not happen lol

It feels like the Penguins might not actually do anything

Buy? Sell? Fire somebody? What if they don't actually do anything?

www.pensburgh.com

Beyond him the roster is full of players that either have full no-trade protections and are core players (Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Kris Letang), players with undesirable or complicated to move contracts (Erik Karlsson, Rickard Rakell, Reilly Smith, Jeff Carter, and maybe even Bryan Rust), or players with just no real value (pretty much the rest of the roster).

Tells the whole story for the "we can super totally retool on the fly guys!" stuff.

 

[Gurglesons]

Tells the whole story for the "we can super totally retool on the fly guys!" stuff.

Ron Hextall's ghost lives on.

 

[Andy99]

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Classic Pensburgh. Everything is always unrealistic over there. I don’t agree.

Guentzel and Petts would both get nice returns. Eller would probably get you a decent pick. I think you could move Acciari on reputation.

Could def flip Smith for a similar player if not lower picks.

Rakell, Rust are the hard ones but imo you could maybe flip Rust off his name and stats (if he would waive).

3-4 players would be a ton of turnover and change for one TDL.

And then axe the staff. Mike Sullivan isn’t a bad coach. It’s just time for a change. Painfully obvious and it’s pissing me off that the team that’s won 2x firing the coach in season is too arrogant about his abilities for even the best reporters to float it. Dubas changed what? 10 players? And the same problems persist? Einstein’s law of insanity means it’s either the core or Sully (may very well be both) but coaches don’t have NMCs or sell tickets.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

This team hasn't taken a big swing since, what, acquiring Phil? No, EK doesn't count cuz that dude fell in their laps for basically free. It's been lame as shit shuffling pieces around and swapping out bottom-6/middle pairing talent for the most part. Even the supposed scoring line players they went out and paid a premium for were f***ing 3rd liners.

Who is surprised by this team's continued spiral into irrelevance anymore? And what the f*** have those people been watching?

 

[Gurglesons]

This team hasn't taken a big swing since, what, acquiring Phil? No, EK doesn't count cuz that dude fell in their laps for basically free. It's been lame as shit shuffling pieces around and swapping out bottom-6/middle pairing talent for the most part. Even the supposed scoring line players they went out and paid a premium for were f***ing 3rd liners.

Who is surprised by this team's continued spiral into irrelevance anymore? And what the f*** have those people been watching?

To be fair. Phil fell into our laps for basically free too.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

To be fair. Phil fell into our laps for basically free too.

Touche. I guess the next option is Neal-Hornqvist then. I dunno. Feels like this organization's ability to be proactive is nonexistent and their response to issues plaguing the team is positively glacial.

 

[Sideline]

I think Dubas knows Sullivan is the problem, but FSG loves him. I think he needs to show FSG a year where he gave Sullivan everything he asked for and got poor results. Adding the Norris trophy winner and getting worse isn't the sign of a bad GM.

 

[Gurglesons]

I think Dubas knows Sullivan is the problem, but FSG loves him. I think he needs to show FSG a year where he gave Sullivan everything he asked for and got poor results. Adding the Norris trophy winner and getting worse isn't the sign of a bad GM.

This is as stupid as the "Mike Sullivan hates Jeff Carter and Ron Hextall is making him play him" narrative.

This team and management group worships Mike Sullivan.