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Jesse Granger, who covers the Golden Knights for the Athletic, muses about the Pens flipping Reilly Smith back to Vegas.

"It has long been suspected that Smith didn’t want to be traded from Vegas, and that he’s never fully embraced the idea of playing in Pittsburgh.

He’s been perfectly professional this season, but the fact that he did no interviews during the summer after the June trade generated the idea that he wasn’t happy about the deal. Those feelings don’t seem to have changed."

"Theoretically, they could choose to move him in a hockey trade if they’re looking to load up at the deadline. Should Smith continue to struggle, the likelihood of him being dealt would increase, and the Golden Knights would figure to be first in line for his services."

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Should the Penguins and Golden Knights talk about a Reilly Smith trade?

A trade for Smith would inject excitement into the Golden Knights' fanbase — and the locker room.
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DesertedPenguin said:
Jesse Granger, who covers the Golden Knights for the Athletic, muses about the Pens flipping Reilly Smith back to Vegas.

"It has long been suspected that Smith didn’t want to be traded from Vegas, and that he’s never fully embraced the idea of playing in Pittsburgh.

He’s been perfectly professional this season, but the fact that he did no interviews during the summer after the June trade generated the idea that he wasn’t happy about the deal. Those feelings don’t seem to have changed."

"Theoretically, they could choose to move him in a hockey trade if they’re looking to load up at the deadline. Should Smith continue to struggle, the likelihood of him being dealt would increase, and the Golden Knights would figure to be first in line for his services."

theathletic.com

Should the Penguins and Golden Knights talk about a Reilly Smith trade?

A trade for Smith would inject excitement into the Golden Knights' fanbase — and the locker room.
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I'm fine doing whatever with Reilly Smith, except retention. We may need that spot next year especially if Karlsson asks out.
 
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ChaosAgent said:
I'm fine doing whatever with Reilly Smith, except retention. We may need that spot next year especially if Karlsson asks out.
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Yep, zero retention is important for him because the assets coming back arent huge enough...now, Jake I would retain on if it meant a much better young player coming back
 
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Andy99 said:
Yep, zero retention is important for him because the assets coming back arent huge enough...now, Jake I would retain on if it meant a much better young player coming back
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Definitely since it doesn't extend through next year. The problem with retention on Smith is 24-25's spot. And Petry is already costing us a spot.
 
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DesertedPenguin said:
Jesse Granger, who covers the Golden Knights for the Athletic, muses about the Pens flipping Reilly Smith back to Vegas.

"It has long been suspected that Smith didn’t want to be traded from Vegas, and that he’s never fully embraced the idea of playing in Pittsburgh.

He’s been perfectly professional this season, but the fact that he did no interviews during the summer after the June trade generated the idea that he wasn’t happy about the deal. Those feelings don’t seem to have changed."

"Theoretically, they could choose to move him in a hockey trade if they’re looking to load up at the deadline. Should Smith continue to struggle, the likelihood of him being dealt would increase, and the Golden Knights would figure to be first in line for his services."

theathletic.com

Should the Penguins and Golden Knights talk about a Reilly Smith trade?

A trade for Smith would inject excitement into the Golden Knights' fanbase — and the locker room.
theathletic.com theathletic.com
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I would try to get Stephenson from them, but that's probably a no-go.

That said, Vegas has A LOT of good-looking picks. 1st through 3rd for the next three years available. If they want to make another push, Smith+Jake @50% would be a monster move.

Stephenson, 1st, ...cap... , Morozov, Sapovaliv...
 

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Don't think VGK have the cap space for that. Even with retention.
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Vegas would have to get a third team to retain…
for example, Seattle trade Eberle on retiring contract for Smith
Seattle then trade Smith at 50% retained for a Vegas 2nd round pick
 
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Amazing how the finishing is failing you for the 3rd year running, Mike!
Could it be...that you... don't have enough quality shooters in the lineup? 🤯 Could it be that...your system isn't generating the right types of chances?

"My experience, certainly, has been that, uh, inevitably the puck goes in the net."

Wrong. Your experience has been that your team has been near or at the bottom of the league in GFAx since 2020-21. Yet, you make no changes, while expecting it to magically flick a switch, game after game.
 
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What you don't think running a system that insists on everyone keeping the puck stapled up and down the boards in all three zones and then when you hit the OZ 90% of the time the strategy is to work it low to high even though only like one of your defenseman can shoot for shit (and they seem to kinda hate him, already) and you don't have the personnel or coaching will to make anyone go to the net to look for screens/tips is a good one? Clearly this is Erik Karlsson's fault, AB. And is an entirely new phenomenon!

EDIT: Also lol to the notion of the HC being in the midst of years of failure and saying some utter handwaving horseshit like "well inevitably the puck will go in" and "look at our underlying numbers!" DO something, shmuck. This is YOUR roster.
 
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What you don't think running a system that insists on everyone keeping the puck stapled up and down the boards in all three zones and then when you hit the OZ 90% of the time the strategy is to work it low to high even though only like one of your defenseman can shoot for shit (and they seem to kinda hate him, already) and you don't have the personnel or coaching will to make anyone go to the net to look for screens/tips is a good one? Clearly this is Erik Karlsson's fault, AB. And is an entirely new phenomenon!

EDIT: Also lol to the notion of the HC being in the midst of years of failure and saying some utter handwaving horseshit like "well inevitably the puck will go in" and "look at our underlying numbers!" DO something, shmuck. This is YOUR roster.
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The other problem is that he insists on having schlubs in the bottom six and doesn’t care about offense there, just defensive players first…isn’t that what he told Dubas to get? So besides how he wants them to play, he also insists on having no scorers except on the top line lol

but apparently Sid has told other members of the media that he doesn’t want to play for another coach, he’s that close to him, so expect Sullivan to sign another contract extension any minute now lol
 
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DesertedPenguin said:
FYI, @Andy99, this is why the Hockey News is a joke these days. This would get mocked endlessly on the main boards, yet it was published.



No. Only if there was salary retention on the original trade. There was not.
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Lol…that’s a ridiculous trade and The Hockey News has become a joke because they take anyone now who wants to post stories for their local teams under the umbrella auspices of The Hockey News…what you need to separate out are stories, however, by their national writers…I’m not saying they’re great, but they’re much better and way more knowledgeable than the local THN spin-offs…the article I previously cited was a “national” article and this one isn’t..seems like not much of a distinction perhaps but it really is
 
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