Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "Mandrake, do you recall what Clemenceau once said about hockey"

[Sidney the Kidney]

This team can't dump and chase lol.

In fairness, this team often plays like they're taking a dump on the ice.

 

[Malkinstheman]

Vegas seems to have a better prospect pool than Edmonton. Cormier and Edstrom are better than anything Edmonton can give. Wouldn't mind 1st+Edstrom+conditional pick for Guentzel

 

[Ryder71]

Not only does FSG not care, Sullivan doesn't care, the core don't care, Dubas doesn't care

They're all content coasting along

Nothing is going to happen at the TDL

You could not be more wrong. I'd be shocked, absolutely shocked if at least three players aren't moved, including Jake.

 

[Ryder71]

I believe he's asking them to show any semblance of caring.

Let's see how the deadline goes before declaring that ''they don't care''. We can see what kind of moves they make before tar and feathering them. We knew this team was gonna fail, we just gotta build up our draft picks and prospect pool. This deadline will tell us a whole lot IMO. But they should sell, sell, sell.

 

[Andy99]

Well ”caring” is in direct proportion to how good a team you think you have…Wings and Lightning already winning today…we will start tomorrow being 9 points out of a wild card…it doesn’t matter if we win a few games in a row…we arent making that up and the players know that

 

[Jobeycool]

Wow the Pens are doing some desperate moves with AHL players.. at least he is younger..

 

[Ulf5]

You could not be more wrong. I'd be shocked, absolutely shocked if at least three players aren't moved, including Jake.

Ned and Smith are definitely gone if they don't climb into playoff position. Jake too if the offers aren't low ball.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

This team can't dump and chase lol.

They can dump but can't chase

 

[Ryder71]

Well ”caring” is in direct proportion to how good a team you think you have…Wings and Lightning already winning today…we will start tomorrow being 9 points out of a wild card…it doesn’t matter if we win a few games in a row…we arent making that up and the players know that

Andy, we're not making the playoffs, we knew that MONTHS ago. In the short term you wanna lose. We need to look at the long term and approach it where we accrue young quality assets. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY MATTERS NOW. KD needs to extract great value. The more we lose now the better it is.

 

[66-30-33]

They can dump but can't chase

They play like they take dumps.

 

[ChaosAgent]

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Malkin's a +4 this year. That's pretty good.
I don't really believe the microstats that say he's like top 1% in xGF-on-passes-if-his-linemate-wasn't-(insert linemate here) that JFresh and Jesse claim are accurate, but he's done a good job playing a lower-event, responsible game at 5-on-5.

He's a part of the problem on the PP but you could say that about all of them. Plus he doesn't get the EN freebies - both points and plusses - that Crosby, Guentzel and Rust do.

All-in-all, a good season.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

Well, the more we lose now, the more important it will be to land a 2025 first-round pick, since we are likely going to land inside the bottom 10 this season. I mean, we have been hovering in that 10-13 range for most of the season, and that was when they were trying to make the playoffs.

But, we also have to land young NHL talent. That, more than anything else, is what is missing from this franchise right now. If Dubas merely sells off 3-4 players and gets picks back, or players in Europe or college hockey, that will only mean more Sullivan-type AHLers filling out the lineup. That just does not cut it.

If Lars Eller is being traded, who comes in to play center? We cannot just go with Gruden or Koppanen or whatever. We need a young NHL center. If we trade Reilly Smith, will it be Sam Poulin replacing him? Or will it be Vinnie frickin' Hinostroza?

My fear is that we are going to trade guys, and just replace from within. Teams at this time of the season want to surrender picks, not depth. You need to INSIST upon getting young NHL talent back.

 

[BusinessGoose]

Yes They don't give a shit, Seek Help

Point to where on the roster i should think FSG cares. They are making money right now. They'll still make money with a half filled arena. That doesn't mean they care about putting the best crew and team together.

They obviously don't as the GM, coach, and players continue to underwhelm with ZERO repercussions.

You could not be more wrong. I'd be shocked, absolutely shocked if at least three players aren't moved, including Jake.

Dude, six weeks ago I would have agreed. I hope to be shocked.

 

[Hockey4Lyfe]

Whether they want to trade Jake or not (idea would make more sense if they did want to trade him which they should)

Calculate how many teams can afford him without retention, with partial retention, and with full retention. Assuming full retention is best and simply say “he’s available and will be traded for the best offer”.

These teams gunning for a cup aren’t going to sit on their hands and let another team pick up Guentzel for peanuts.

Make the trade hurt.

 

[Andy99]

Andy, we're not making the playoffs, we knew that MONTHS ago. In the short term you wanna lose. We need to look at the long term and approach it where we accrue young quality assets. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY MATTERS NOW. KD needs to extract great value. The more we lose now the better it is.

Ryder, this was written from the player’ perspective…not mine

 

[Josey Wales]

Point to where on the roster i should think FSG cares. They are making money right now. They'll still make money with a half filled arena. That doesn't mean they care about putting the best crew and team together.

They obviously don't as the GM, coach, and players continue to underwhelm with ZERO repercussions.






Dude, six weeks ago I would have agreed. I hope to be shocked.

I can't help with Your Emotional & Mentall Illness

 

[BusinessGoose]

I can't help with Your Emotional & Mentall Illness

You're literally the only unhinged person here.

Like...

That's saying something on HFPens.

To be the only insane one in every thread.

What sort of weirdo randomly capitalizes words?

 

[HandshakeLine]

lol just put the weirdo on ignore since the day nurse clearly isn’t monitoring him like his family promised the court she would.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Point to where on the roster i should think FSG cares. They are making money right now. They'll still make money with a half filled arena. That doesn't mean they care about putting the best crew and team together.

They obviously don't as the GM, coach, and players continue to underwhelm with ZERO repercussions.

Is this actually true? It used to be said that teams need to make the playoffs to break even.

Fenway also has a lot of risk now that it owns ATTSN. I would at this point consider ATTSN and the Penguins as a combined entity since they are so tied. If the Penguins are bad enough that it leads to cord-cutting or lower viewership, FSG will lose money most likely.

This is also why FSG is so protective of Sullivan. That idiotic contract they signed him to. I don't think they let him go until they know 100% he will take another job. They aren't going to pay him $5,500,000 and go into the red to stay home. Especially since they love him so much as a coach anyway.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Is this actually true? It used to be said that teams need to make the playoffs to break even.

Fenway also has a lot of risk now that it owns ATTSN. I would at this point consider ATTSN and the Penguins as a combined entity since they are so tied. If the Penguins are bad enough that it leads to cord-cutting or lower viewership, FSG will lose money most likely.

This is also why FSG is so protective of Sullivan. That idiotic contract they signed him to. I don't think they let him go until they know 100% he will take another job. They aren't going to pay him $5,500,000 and go into the red to stay home. Especially since they love him so much as a coach anyway.

Of all the signings/extensions the Pens have given out to players over the past 5 years, the one to Sullivan when his deal wasn't even up and he was going on multiple years of first round exits was by far the dumbest.

 

[Ryder71]

lol just put the weirdo on ignore since the day nurse clearly isn’t monitoring him like his family promised the court she would.

That is kinda funny, although a tad mean spirited I would say. lol

 

[Josey Wales]

You're literally the only unhinged person here.

Like...

That's saying something on HFPens.

To be the only insane one in every thread.

What sort of weirdo randomly capitalizes words?

Yes You & 90 f***ing % of the posters think that Firing the HC & CS will Immediately make the Core dominant again & the Pens a SC Contender HAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[BusinessGoose]

Yes You & 90 f***ing % of the posters think that Firing the HC & CS will Immediately make the Core @6 again & the Pens a SC Contender HAHAHAHAHAHA

No. There's no hope of that. This team sucks donkey balls. Because of the ownership and coach. They boxed themselves into a corner, and now they're f***ed.

They won't compete for nearly the next decade now.

But it still means Sullivan should go. He's boring. His play strategy is boring. His platitudes are boring. His face is boring. His command presence has withered. He's not the coach from 2016. That coach should be here. But he's not.

He's like you.

He should just leave.

 

[Ryder71]

No. There's no hope of that. But it still means Sullivan should go. He's boring. His play strategy is boring. His platitudes are boring. His face is boring.

He's like you.

He should just leave.

But since that isn't likely to happen lets focus on something that is? How about selling off Jake? Maybe Nej? Add some Smith? Possibly Eller? Pretty fun to think about.

 

[Ulf5]

Is this actually true? It used to be said that teams need to make the playoffs to break even.

Fenway also has a lot of risk now that it owns ATTSN. I would at this point consider ATTSN and the Penguins as a combined entity since they are so tied. If the Penguins are bad enough that it leads to cord-cutting or lower viewership, FSG will lose money most likely.

This is also why FSG is so protective of Sullivan. That idiotic contract they signed him to. I don't think they let him go until they know 100% he will take another job. They aren't going to pay him $5,500,000 and go into the red to stay home. Especially since they love him so much as a coach anyway.

Has anyone approximated the worth of the land development surrounding the arena? How profitable will that be for FSG?
I certainly don't have any idea. But I've read the city is planning infrastructure improvements in that area which should enhance their development plans.