Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "Mandrake, do you recall what Clemenceau once said about hockey"

[Sideline]

It's a shame that Demko's been good cuz Jarry would be a natural fit in Vancouver. He's got the Rutherford/Allvin connection and he grew up in Greater Van.
Jarrs also has a strong connection to Edmonton. He played for the Oil Kings for 4 seasons. Believe he spends his summers there as well.

I don't see how Edmonton adds Jarry without their trade partner taking back Jack Campbell. I want nothing to do with a trade like that.

 

[Ulf5]

It's a shame that Demko's been good cuz Jarry would be a natural fit in Vancouver. He's got the Rutherford/Allvin connection and he grew up in Greater Van.
Jarrs also has a strong connection to Edmonton. He played for the Oil Kings for 4 seasons. Believe he spends his summers there as well.

Wait, there might be a player without all Canadian teams on his NTL? GTFO

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

If this team has a buyer for Jarry without having to retain salary or take a bad contract in return, and they don't do it, then that might be the straw that broke the camel's back for me and this team...

Hell, trade Ned too if there's a buyer. Ned will probably get more than Jarry given the contract situations. Call up Hellberg to finish the season. Look for Blomqvist to start next year with a veteran backer.

Jake, Riley, Jarry, Ned out at a minimum.

I agree 110%. But if you are to move Jarry, why not move the core at that point. There is no point hanging on to Geno, Letang and Karlsson IMO

 

[Andy99]

I agree 110%. But if you are to move Jarry, why not move the core at that point. There is no point hanging on to Geno, Letang and Karlsson IMO

why? Core is old and wants to stick around…they have to know the Pens ain’t gonna win any time soon…if they want to leave, they’ll tell management they’ll waive their NMCs…goaltending is voodoo…most guys aren’t consistent year to year…re-sign Ned or some other goalie and bring up Blomqvist next season…he’s ready…also bring Murashov over…we have two guys in the goalie pipeline that are a year or two away

 

[BusinessGoose]

why? Core is old and wants to stick around…they have to know the Pens ain’t gonna win any time soon…if they want to leave, they’ll tell management they’ll waive their NMCs…goaltending is voodoo…most guys aren’t consistent year to year…re-sign Ned or some other goalie and bring up Blomqvist next season…he’s ready…also bring Murashov over… we have two guys in the goalie pipeline that are a year or two away

Exactly. There was hope that things would click this year, thereby leading to a handful of okay years for Jarry to backstop.

But the team is clearly not playing up to potential and there is no reason to be paying $5+ mil to a goalie during what is now solidly a transition era from playoff contender to middle/below middle standings team.

And if, IF, the team decides to start trading away anyone for assets, they are surely mailing it in and paying big on goal would be really silly.

So, jarry wouldn't be the first out in a trade, but if they start selling, he's gotta go.

They also most likely will just run it back next season as they don't realize they are 3 years into the massive decline already.

 

[pistolpete11]

I think it largely depends on the return. I think it was said that when NJ was looking at Markstrom, it was Holtz involved. If you can send out Jarry and get someone like Holtz, Mercer, or Necas from Carolina, I think you have to consider it. Keeps Neds, bring back a goalie, or take a payment to get a goalie, bring up Blomqvist, sign a stop-gap next year...it's doable.

Suggestions:
Jarry to...

NJ for Holtz+Vanacek
NJ for Mercer+Vanecek
NJ for Bahl+1st+Vanecek and send them POJ
Jarry+Pettersson for Mercer+Bahl+Vaneck+2nd

CAR for Necas
CAR for

Edmonton for Holloway+1st

Take a 3rd from Toronto to take Samsonov if a goalie doesn't come back.

I'm not saying I wouldn't consider it, but they are talking about re-tooling, not re-building. I don't see them trading their starting goalie who they just signed and who is having a great year.

 

[SEALBound]

Obviously I've been thinking a lot about what a youth retool would look like if we are sending out major assets beyond Jake. If we are talking the likes of Pettersson, I've been tossing around the idea of asking for Hague from Vegas in a package for Jake. Then assume NJ really wants, Pettersson, getting Bahl back in a package.

Hague is 25, Bahl 23. Both on the left side. Would leave us with something like:

Hague-Letang
Bahl-Karlsson
Graves-XXXX

These are both young guys that each team thought would be progressing to top pairing quality guys and there's still time. Both are RFAs and signed next year. Bahl for $1.1mil, Hague for $2.3mil. Considering Jake's 6mil and Pettsy $4mill, getting $10mil in space and replacing it with $3.4mil and two fresh young dmen doesn't seem to be too bad.

 

[BusinessGoose]

I'm not saying I wouldn't consider it, but they are talking about re-tooling, not re-building. I don't see them trading their starting goalie who they just signed and who is having a great year.

I was lead to believe we only signed him because there was no other option.

 

[Empoleon8771]

It is just Friedman speculating:



We all know it's going to be $8.7 million a year, but I'm really surprised to see 3 years as the expectation.

 

[deakka]

It is just Friedman speculating:



We all know it's going to be $8.7 million a year, but I'm really surprised to see 3 years as the expectation.

think he can sign for 8.7 for 1 year as long as he want. probably wont have to do 3 to "secure his paycheck"

 

[Shrimper]

It is just Friedman speculating:



We all know it's going to be $8.7 million a year, but I'm really surprised to see 3 years as the expectation.

Would love this. 4 years to give Sid another dance or two. Think it would mean his deal ends the same time as Letangs.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Kevin Bahl f***ing sucks.

 

[Ryder71]

why? Core is old and wants to stick around…they have to know the Pens ain’t gonna win any time soon…if they want to leave, they’ll tell management they’ll waive their NMCs…goaltending is voodoo…most guys aren’t consistent year to year…re-sign Ned or some other goalie and bring up Blomqvist next season…he’s ready…also bring Murashov over…we have two guys in the goalie pipeline that are a year or two away

How do you know Blomqvist is ready? He hasn't played a game here yet. Don't get me wrong I'd trade Jarry for a haul because we won't be relevant for several years. But saying he's ''ready'' without knowing doesn't make sense to me.

Would love this. 4 years to give Sid another dance or two. Think it would mean his deal ends the same time as Letangs.

He should sign for 6.1 like Letang and Malkin did. Why give a 38 year old that kind of money? He's an icon but realistically he's gonna taper off, why give him THAT amount? That'd be ridiculous. 6.1 LIKE HIS FRIENDS!

 

[Harvey Birdman]

It is just Friedman speculating:



We all know it's going to be $8.7 million a year, but I'm really surprised to see 3 years as the expectation.

I was listening to the podcast they were talking about that and the context of it I could not roll my eyes harder. They were saying because EK is being paid more than him he would want a contract that made him the highest paid player out of respect. The Canadian media are literally clueless about what makes Sid tic.

 

[Andy99]

How do you know Blomqvist is ready? He hasn't played a game here yet. Don't get me wrong I'd trade Jarry for a haul because we won't be relevant for several years. But saying he's ''ready'' without knowing doesn't make sense to me.


He should sign for 6.1 like Letang and Malkin did. Why give a 38 year old that kind of money? He's an icon but realistically he's gonna taper off, why give him THAT amount? That'd be ridiculous. 6.1 LIKE HIS FRIENDS!

Give him some NHL games… but everyone who has evaluated says he looks like he’s ready for the NHL right now…I’m no goalie expert

 

[Jag68Sid87]

I doubt teams have greater interest in Jarry than Nedeljkovic. If they do, great. But I doubt it. I suspect different teams would have interest in each. Cup contenders probably want Ned as a 1A/1B option, while keeping cap flexibility. Jarry would make more sense to a team that is maybe somewhere in the middle, a team whose goaltending is holding them back. LA comes to mind instantly.

Anyway, we have organizational goaltending depth, so moving one before the deadline makes too much sense.

 

[Ryder71]

Give him some NHL games… but everyone who has evaluated says he looks like he’s ready for the NHL right now…I’m no goalie expert

I know you're not but I agree that we can move on from pretty much anyone off our current roster. I just think before we can declare someone being ''ready'', they actually have to play here first.

I doubt teams have greater interest in Jarry than Nedeljkovic. If they do, great. But I doubt it. I suspect different teams would have interest in each. Cup contenders probably want Ned as a 1A/1B option, while keeping cap flexibility. Jarry would make more sense to a team that is maybe somewhere in the middle, a team whose goaltending is holding them back. LA comes to mind instantly.

Anyway, we have organizational goaltending depth, so moving one before the deadline makes too much sense.

I'd focus on multiple fronts here but Jake IMO should be the first domino to fall for us. At least with the other guys beyond Ned they have term left, so we won't get hung out to dry if things get sketchy.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I was listening to the podcast they were talking about that and the context of it I could not roll my eyes harder. They were saying because EK is being paid more than him he would want a contract that made him the highest paid player out of respect. The Canadian media are literally clueless about what makes Sid tic.

Thinking about FSG's financials though it does make sense to pay Crosby whatever. A lot of sponsorship revenues are tied to him I'm sure.

Erik Karlsson is not even going to be on the team when Crosby's next contract starts though

 

[Ryder71]

Thinking about FSG's financials though it does make sense to pay Crosby whatever. A lot of sponsorship revenues are tied to him I'm sure.

Erik Karlsson is not even going to be on the team when Crosby's next contract starts though

I don't think they're not gonna need to pay him all that much. Either 6.1 mil per or 8.7 m.

 

[SEALBound]

It is just Friedman speculating:



We all know it's going to be $8.7 million a year, but I'm really surprised to see 3 years as the expectation.

3 years put him in line with Letang, so 3 makes sense.

The 10.5mil obviously does not. It would be 8.7mil but Sid may do the same thing that both Malkin and Letang did and take a discount. $6mil or $6.87mil makes more sense to be in line with Geno and Letang. Dude has enough money. Bergeron at a similar point did the same thing.
Having an extra $2-3mil put towards a better support staff would be something I could see Sid supporting.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

I don't see how Edmonton adds Jarry without their trade partner taking back Jack Campbell. I want nothing to do with a trade like that.

Why not? That's additional assets if we take on Campbell. Those are are precisely the types of contracts you take on during a serious rebuild.

 

[Ulf5]

I doubt teams have greater interest in Jarry than Nedeljkovic. If they do, great. But I doubt it. I suspect different teams would have interest in each. Cup contenders probably want Ned as a 1A/1B option, while keeping cap flexibility. Jarry would make more sense to a team that is maybe somewhere in the middle, a team whose goaltending is holding them back. LA comes to mind instantly.

Anyway, we have organizational goaltending depth, so moving one before the deadline makes too much sense.

I doubt Dubas moves Jarry. I just can't see him completely tearing it down as long as Sid around. On the other hand, I'd be shocked if Ned is still a Pen after deadline day. Unless they win like 6 straight. And we all know that's not happening with their lack of group sticktoitness.

 

[66-30-33]

It is just Friedman speculating:



We all know it's going to be $8.7 million a year, but I'm really surprised to see 3 years as the expectation.

So 3 more years of this garbage Sully hockey...yay.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Kevin Bahl f***ing sucks.

This team f***ing sucks.

 

[PensPlz]

Don't worry, Pens are going to win every single game from now to the TDL, not sell, and then not make the playoffs. End 11th. Have to give the 1st to SJ. Not have a 1st this year.

This is the Penguins way.