Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "But if you don't get the President of the Pittsburgh Penguins on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you?"

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I'd be perfectly fine moving on from Raks if I'm being honest. But I have little to no interest in Kane. I have to wonder if even prime Kane would fit in on this team. Nevermind old injured Kane.

Not that this was ever rumored or anything but I still liked the idea of trying to grab Boeser last season while his value was low. But I was told that he sucked or whatever. If you want a shooter that's the kind of player to look at... not Kane.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

If you could trade Rakell and the rest of his contract for a 2nd and sign this guy at the same price or less for one season, would you do it?

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Here is what I think may be more realistic:
Rakell and Garland swap. Would give the Pens a different type of winger than they have

Although not sure Vancouver is interested in trading anyone since their record is pretty darn good

 

[3ladesof5teel]

This team should not be blowing all of the little cap space they have on a 3rd pairing RD. Jesus.

Tanev can play PK and big shut down mins.

If you wouldn't want a Tanev on your team you obviously don't know what he's about.

Sure we need to fill in the middle 6 but what exactly are your suggestions.

Tanev is making 4.5 and at deadline would certainly be retained. No matter what we do there's going to be cap gymnastics.

I am perfectly fine with Letang/EK playing 22+ mins a night but at some point someone else who can come in and do everything thing that Tanev can while eating mins saves some legs when it matters for Letang and EK

 

[SEALBound]

10 years ago he wouldn’t be available or a Rakell replacement…hard times lol…I still think if you work him out, he’s still probably better at scoring than this year’s version of Rakell, particularly if Sid and Sullivan refuse to give him a shot on Sid’s line

I don't know, he didn't look great with NYR. I think it's pretty iffy on whether or not it was a worthwhile trade.

He may get a few more points than Rakell but is he going to be doing the things away from the puck that Rakell is doing that is going to be of benefit to the line? Hornqvist wasn't a huge point getter but I think we can suggest that he did other things that were beneficial to the line/team.

I'm not there with Kane in terms of "a replacement for Rakell".

 

[vikingGoalie]

If you could trade Rakell and the rest of his contract for a 2nd and sign this guy at the same price or less for one season, would you do it?

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huge risk, backstrom had the same surgery and couldn't come back from it. Also the P.Kane we all remember I dunno if that guy even exists anymore, he was invisible when we played against the rangers but maybe his re-surfaced hip will cure that.

The best scenario for us is Rakell regaining his touch, he's faster, bigger, and younger. Just kane is a player where if he's not scoring or helping others score he's pretty much useless. I am intrigued but i think if i had to place my own money on it i'd pass on Kane, the big thing here is we don't really get a chance to see if he's actually ok after that surgery so big potential of jettisoning Rakell and getting absolutely nothing out of it.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I'm fine being patient with Raks. I like the player... he did plenty last season to warrant some breathing room. But at a certain point you have to do more than just "the little things" to justify a 30M dollar deal. Especially when you are one of the only moveable pieces on the team of any value and the roster could use some tweaking.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I'm not too concerned with Rakell yet. His 5v5 GF% & xGF% are quite high.

The 2nd line's GF% and xGF% are better without Rakell but I suspect that'll change when he finally pots a few.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Plus/minus? Cmon man, I know you're much smarter than this. Does plus/minus account for a bad clear that results in a high danger chance against? What about his shoddy work on the PK and drifting out of position?

I don't have much time to rewatch games anymore so I'll typically focus on newcomers or guys I don't know much about. Graves fell into that category for me. In the ~3 games I've put him under my microscope he's made a ton of what I call "exit errors". That includes attempted clears or skating out of danger. Don't get me wrong, he hasn't been all bad but he's made a ton of unforced and unnecessary errors.

Goals for and against will decide whether they make playoffs or not. It doesn't matter how a players gets it done, so long as he does. I don't care if he has 5 corsi and 10 giveaways a game if how he plays generates net positive results for the team.
Obviously what he's doing isn't actually harming the team that much.

I see him making a lot of defensive plays look easy, using his reach. I see him guarding the front of the net and the danger men instead of chasing ghosts. His zone exits could be better for sure, but I don't care that much if he doesn't end up costing the team there.

The PK is what, 11th, with him on it as a core minute eater? They're fine.
Just watched all the PPGA's we've conceded this year. I'd only really blame one of them on Graves, and that was when we were up 4-0 vs SJ.
I think you're taking isolated incidents and projecting it onto the core body of work.

The man's getting 56% D-zone starts against top competition and we've come out of that +5 with him on the ice at even-strength, through 13 games. Compared to whatever the f*** Dumoulin was doing last year, I'm thrilled with this replacement. It's helped Letang stabilize his game too.

 

[Gurglesons]

No interest in Patrick Kane.

 

[Sidgeni Malkby]

We are so reactionary here...
I guess nobody wants to trade Rust anymore, so now it's Raks? :/

How about we let him work his kinks out!

As for Kane?
I think he's past his time. I don't remember being too impressed with his showing last year. Maybe he would fit on the Pens, maybe not, but I wouldn't sacrifice Rakell to test that out.

Now if we could trade Carter + POJ (or pick a spare D), to fit Kane this year, I'd be for that!

 

[Victor Z]

Tanev can play PK and big shut down mins.

Sure, we could use a real 3rd pairing unless Ludvig-Shea somehow prove to be it.

But even if that doesn't happen, how is someone like Tanev going to play "big shut down mins" here?

Which one of Letang or EK is he going to take those big minutes from?

Sully doesn't even put "shut down" defensive players on the ice in opponent empty net situations when we're theoretically trying to protect a 1-goal lead, preferring to go with offensive types/cherry pickers like Jake, Rust and EK.

If we can get a really cheap guy who is better than POJ or Ruh -- and we already have 2 of those though 1 is hurt at the moment -- then maybe OK. But to blow big cap on 3RD at this point would not be worth it at all.

 

[Zirakzigil]

We are so reactionary here...
I guess nobody wants to trade Rust anymore, so now it's Raks? :/

How about we let him work his kinks out!

As for Kane?
I think he's past his time. I don't remember being too impressed with his showing last year. Maybe he would fit on the Pens, maybe not, but I wouldn't sacrifice Rakell to test that out.

Now if we could trade Carter + POJ (or pick a spare D), to fit Kane this year, I'd be for that!

Trade Rust while his value has rebounded

 

[Zirakzigil]

Sure, we could use a real 3rd pairing unless Ludvig-Shea somehow prove to be it.

But even if that doesn't happen, how is someone like Tanev going to play "big shut down mins" here?

Which one of Letang or EK is he going to take those big minutes from?

Sully doesn't even put "shut down" defensive players on the ice in opponent empty net situations when we're theoretically trying to protect a 1-goal lead, preferring to go with offensive types/cherry pickers like Jake, Rust and EK.

If we can get a really cheap guy who is better than POJ or Ruh -- and we already have 2 of those though 1 is hurt at the moment -- then maybe OK. But to blow big cap on 3RD at this point would not be worth it at all.

He would eat 10-15min of even strength time plus a lot of PK time. Would be a way to get Letang off of the PK and use those minutes elsewhere.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

Sure, we could use a real 3rd pairing unless Ludvig-Shea somehow prove to be it.

But even if that doesn't happen, how is someone like Tanev going to play "big shut down mins" here?

Which one of Letang or EK is he going to take those big minutes from?

Sully doesn't even put "shut down" defensive players on the ice in opponent empty net situations when we're theoretically trying to protect a 1-goal lead, preferring to go with offensive types/cherry pickers like Jake, Rust and EK.

If we can get a really cheap guy who is better than POJ or Ruh -- and we already have 2 of those though 1 is hurt at the moment -- then maybe OK. But to blow big cap on 3RD at this point would not be worth it at all.

Playing him when you have the lead

PK minutes

There's plenty of opportunity to play someone like Tanev to relive some big mins from our stud Dmen.

Not to mention the style Tanev plays is something we lack.

I dont believe anyone will be "blowing big cap" on Tanev. He will be retained

 

[KrisLetAngry]

No interest in Patrick Kane.

For league minimum with no nmc I'd be interested.

Kane would not sign that though.

 

[Gurglesons]

For league minimum with no nmc I'd be interested.

Kane would not sign that though.

Not even then.

 

[SEALBound]

Here is what I think may be more realistic:
Rakell and Garland swap. Would give the Pens a different type of winger than they have

Although not sure Vancouver is interested in trading anyone since their record is pretty darn good

I disagree there, I think Garland is more of what we already have. He's a small, not very physical, speedy skilled wing. I think we have that in Jake and Rust already. Not that Rakell is the next Hornqvist but at least there is some size and moderate physicality there. Garland is a tenacious forechecker though, I will say, but I think it's more in line with what Sheary used to do - use speed and slipperiness to move the puck.

The only thing that makes me slightly entertain the thought of moving anyone, specifically Rakell, is if we can leverage an extra 3rd line wing. As I stated earlier, Raks+POJ+ for Beauvillier+Hoglander for example. Or Raks for Beau and then get someone like Dube from Calgary for POJ+. Then I would be okay letting Rakell go.

I'm not too concerned with Rakell yet. His 5v5 GF% & xGF% are quite high.

The 2nd line's GF% and xGF% are better without Rakell but I suspect that'll change when he finally pots a few.

On the other hand, this. As Army points out a lot in his color commentary, Rakell is still getting the chances. His shooting% is just...way low, lol. That won't last forever. He will pot one eventually.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't think the Penguins need someone as good as Tanev on their 3rd pair. Something like Shea-Hakanpaa or Shea-Lyubushkin would almost definitely be sufficient.

 

[lokomotiv15]

Has anyone ever had hip resurfacing surgery and came back to the NHL and even been similar to the player they were before ?
I can think of 3 or 4 who had it and it was a career ender, but no one that was an on-ice success story?

Good thing his game was never predicated on blistering speed, but I can’t see how a new hip cap and the invasive surgery to do it wouldn’t severely affect every other aspect of his skating, especially at his age.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Has anyone ever had hip resurfacing surgery and came back to the NHL and even been similar to the player they were before ?
I can think of 3 or 4 who had it and it was a career ender, but no one that was an on-ice success story?

Good thing his game was never predicated on blistering speed, but I can’t see how a new hip cap and the invasive surgery to do it wouldn’t severely affect every other aspect of his skating, especially at his age.

Would you say Backstrom's game was predicated on speed? I don't. At some minimum, you have to be able to move without pain.

 

[Darren McCord]

I'm fine being patient with Raks. I like the player... he did plenty last season to warrant some breathing room. But at a certain point you have to do more than just "the little things" to justify a 30M dollar deal. Especially when you are one of the only moveable pieces on the team of any value and the roster could use some tweaking.

I am fine being patient until the team actually does something to spark him. Why not try him with Sid or move to the third line where he faces lesser competition.

They havent done much to try and get him going. I want to see them do something first before giving up on him,

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I am fine being patient until the team actually does something to spark him. Why not try him with Sid or move to the third line where he faces lesser competition.

They havent done much to try and get him going. I want to see them do something first before giving up on him,

I've always hated GCRust, but I don't know if you can break up that line. Rak being moved up will be at the expense of Rust and that sends a poor message. Rust is probably playing his best hockey in 2 years

If you want to play fantasyland, I'd be all ears with a Rak-C-Rust but it'll never happen

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I've always hated GCRust, but I don't know if you can break up that line. Rak being moved up will be at the expense of Rust and that sends a poor message. Rust is probably playing his best hockey in 2 years

If you want to play fantasyland, I'd be all ears with a Rak-C-Rust but it'll never happen

Same for me. Complaining last year 100%

This year Rust has been scoring and less floating.

 

[tom_servo]

Who’s still on Facebook in 2023? lolz

What are they saying about Rakell on Myspace?

I stay away from Facebook but don't blame anyone for using it. There are only about 4-6 websites to choose from on the internet.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I stay away from Facebook but don't blame anyone for using it. There are only about 4-6 websites to choose from on the internet.

Unfortunately, we're all 1 of those sites that we shouldn't be