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Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "But if you don't get the President of the Pittsburgh Penguins on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you?"

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How soon before Letang is back on PP1:

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A Sheary or (prime) Hagelin type tweener is exactly what the team is missing
 
Kind of funny how much leash Rakell gets compared to Rust or Guentzel. I guess he still has new player smell on him. Not that I have any big complaints about him. He'll be producing at his good-to-moderate rate soon enough.
 
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Turin said:
A Sheary or (prime) Hagelin type tweener is exactly what the team is missing
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I feel like Hinostroza can produce here. He's scored at a Hagelin level on other teams. He's played on the PK here and there but certainly nowhere near Hagelin. Still, 2 points in 3 games with a noticeable skating burst. Maybe his role has room to grow.
 
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tom_servo said:
I feel like Hinostroza can produce here. He's scored at a Hagelin level on other teams. He's played on the PK here and there but certainly nowhere near Hagelin. Still, 2 points in 3 games with a noticeable skating burst. Maybe his role has room to grow.
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I definitely think he can find a 4th line role, not sure about being able to play top 6 but weirder things have happened.
 
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Turin said:
I definitely think he can find a 4th line role, not sure about being able to play top 6 but weirder things have happened.
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He was the 4th leading scorer in Arizona in '19 and got some PP time. Yeah I don't have any expectation he's a genuine top 6 player in hiding but someone like a EROD or Hagelin, chemistry goes a long way. Maybe he's a better Brian Gibbons if you need a spot filled.
 
tom_servo said:
Kind of funny how much leash Rakell gets compared to Rust or Guentzel. I guess he still has new player smell on him. Not that I have any big complaints about him. He'll be producing at his good-to-moderate rate soon enough.
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Rakell is still playing a great game despite not scoring.

Turin said:
A Sheary or (prime) Hagelin type tweener is exactly what the team is missing
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Hagelin yes. Sheary no IMO.
 
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I don't understand the level of hate O'Connor has received. He's been quite competent and his speed/size have been helpful on L3.

Sure, I wish he didn't have spaz DNA but I'm not in a hurry to upgrade on him.

As for Rakell, he's a decent top-six winger that people exalted because they legitimately despise Bryan Rust. Somewhat earned by his play last season, but a lot of the board hates Rust because Sullivan likes him so much. In reality if Rust waived his trade clauses we'd have a ton of interest in him.
 
ChaosAgent said:
I don't understand the level of hate O'Connor has received. He's been quite competent and his speed/size have been helpful on L3.

Sure, I wish he didn't have spaz DNA but I'm not in a hurry to upgrade on him.

As for Rakell, he's a decent top-six winger that people exalted because they legitimately despise Bryan Rust. Somewhat earned by his play last season, but a lot of the board hates Rust because Sullivan likes him so much. In reality if Rust waived his trade clauses we'd have a ton of interest in him.
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Because he's once again on pace for under 20 points, which is bad for a 3rd liner. Especially considering he's playing with 2 guys who are playing at extremely high 3rd line levels so far this year.

He has 20 points in 91 career games and is really not giving any sort of indication that his production is going to improve.
 
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Because he's once again on pace for under 20 points, which is bad for a 3rd liner. Especially considering he's playing with 2 guys who are playing at extremely high 3rd line levels so far this year.

He has 20 points in 91 career games and is really not giving any sort of indication that his production is going to improve.
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With how we use the third line, I'd be elated to play the opponents to a draw and then any production is a bonus.
Definitely open to mixing it up and trying Hinistroza there, but I think DOC is part of the play-driving even if his end product and offensive vision is terrible.
 
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With how we use the third line, I'd be elated to play the opponents to a draw and then any production is a bonus.
Definitely open to mixing it up and trying Hinistroza there, but I think DOC is part of the play-driving even if his end product and offensive vision is terrible.
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That's a bar of competency. They should be aiming higher than that for the 3rd line.

That's the expectation for the 4th line, which is why I'd be fine with O'Connor on the 4th line. But with how well Zohorna and Eller are playing, they absolutely need better than O'Connor on the 4th line.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Well yeah, JR got insanely lucky with his moves in the 2015 off-season and 2015-2016 season. It's not normal for GMs to strike gold on moves like he did over those years.
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They were more calculated back then with use of Analytics and the eye test of being destroyed by him in the playoffs.
 
I think people care too much about production, and in DOC's case I think his tendency to score in bunches/low percentage of the line's points means he'll get his soon enough, but I do also think he's quite clearly the easiest to remove guy from that 3rd line. He's the third wheel there.

Although to a certain extent, if the 3rd line prospers with him there, why change it? I know we're always looking to get better and suspicious of short term trends, but the line that's a +3 over 9 games with a glittering xGF% while playing with 27% offensive zone starts isn't really on my list of things to change.
 
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I'm a little torn on Nieto. He's playing rather well defensively, but I'm wondering if we'd get a bigger net positive from a Wilkes replacement.
Switching out Acciari isn't really an option with his cap hit and our restrictions.
 
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I think people care too much about production, and in DOC's case I think his tendency to score in bunches/low percentage of the line's points means he'll get his soon enough, but I do also think he's quite clearly the easiest to remove guy from that 3rd line. He's the third wheel there.

Although to a certain extent, if the 3rd line prospers with him there, why change it? I know we're always looking to get better and suspicious of short term trends, but the line that's a +3 over 9 games with a glittering xGF% while playing with 27% offensive zone starts isn't really on my list of things to change.
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Is the line good because of him or Zohorna? The 3rd line stunk when it was Harkins-Eller-O’Connor and then it became great after swapping Zohorna and Harkins.

I’m not pounding on the table to make any changes right now, but as soon as the 3rd line has a hiccup I’m pulling O’Connor off of it. By the trade deadline, I’m hoping they’ve acquired someone to push O’Connor to the 4th line, ideally the 4C spot to push Acciari to RW.
 
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Is the line good because of him or Zohorna? The 3rd line stunk when it was Harkins-Eller-O’Connor and then it became great after swapping Zohorna and Harkins.

I’m not pounding on the table to make any changes right now, but as soon as the 3rd line has a hiccup I’m pulling O’Connor off of it. By the trade deadline, I’m hoping they’ve acquired someone to push O’Connor to the 4th line, ideally the 4C spot to push Acciari to RW.
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Or let’s give the 25 year old in his first full season a chance to ride it out.

He’s produced similar numbers to Lafferty.

Like, DOC is exactly the player we should
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Gurglesons said:
Or let’s give the 25 year old in his first full season a chance to ride it out.

He’s produced similar numbers to Lafferty.

Like, DOC is exactly the player we should
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I don’t want Sam Lafferty on the Penguins 3rd line either. I think the comparison is appropriate, O’Connor is pretty similar to Lafferty minus the stupid penalties. I just still don’t want that on their 3rd line.

I want O’Connor at 4C until Poulin takes the 4C spot.
 
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Gurglesons said:
Or let’s give the 25 year old in his first full season a chance to ride it out.

He’s produced similar numbers to Lafferty.

Like, DOC is exactly the player we should
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I'm with you on this one. I see no urgency to boot the still-developing guy from a very functional line. He's been low-event but decent enough.
 
50% of the board was ready to jump off one of the many Pittsburgh bridges just 2 weeks ago.

Now there's some optimism.

Let's give a little more leash to some of these guys like Graves, DOC, RR.

We know what RR can do, I don't think he suddenly fell off a cliff. Sure it's frustrating b/c Geno has been an animal but hockey is a funny sport with many ebs and flows. I'm pretty confident RR finds his game.

DOC hasn't looked terrible, actually seeing some really good play but the points aren't coming. It's definitely a funny makeup of a L3 so give it a little more time.

Graves is playing OK. He is what he is and it's why NJ traded him but defensively learning a new system especially paired up with a player like Letang is going to be getting used to and acclimation to the system.
 
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