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Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "But if you don't get the President of the Pittsburgh Penguins on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you?"

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How soon before Letang is back on PP1:

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Empoleon8771 said:
I really don’t understand what they’re doing with their extras.
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I can only think they want to evaluate Ludvig and determine if the guy can play the system and keep him up.

I feel like they will drop a defensemen coming up shortly. Easier to replace 1 forward missing a game versus a defensemen.

Let Dubas cook.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
I really don’t understand what they’re doing with their extras.
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I think it's one of two things.

Either they claimed Ludvig as an experiment and just want to have him around a few days before making a final call.

Or they are trying to finalize another move so they have to stay out for a moment.

For example, Boston is keeping Danton Heinen around on a PTO for a little bit while they continue some evaluations. And the Pens still haven't announced anything regarding their own PTOs, even if they've just been released.

So it just seems like something is still in the works.
 
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DesertedPenguin said:
I think it's one of two things.

Either they claimed Ludvig as an experiment and just want to have him around a few days before making a final call.

Or they are trying to finalize another move so they have to stay out for a moment.

For example, Boston is keeping Danton Heinen around on a PTO for a little bit while they continue some evaluations. And the Pens still haven't announced anything regarding their own PTOs, even if they've just been released.

So it just seems like something is still in the works.
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Hopefully Chad Ruhwedel is getting traded.
 
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They don't play again until Friday, so it gives them an extra day.

They can see Ludvig/Shea a little bit more and it doesn't start the clock on Z/White/Hino's 30 days with the NHL team until they have to re-clear waivers to be sent down.

I'll be surprised if they are still carrying 8 D-men come Friday.
 
It doesn't look like Ludvig played in Florida's final four preseason games. So he hasn't faced competition since the end of September.

They really just might want to get a better look at him before making a decision.
 
DesertedPenguin said:
I think it's one of two things.

Either they claimed Ludvig as an experiment and just want to have him around a few days before making a final call.

Or they are trying to finalize another move so they have to stay out for a moment.

For example, Boston is keeping Danton Heinen around on a PTO for a little bit while they continue some evaluations. And the Pens still haven't announced anything regarding their own PTOs, even if they've just been released.

So it just seems like something is still in the works.
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You may have missed it but White signed a 2 way deal and got sent down.
 
KrisLetAngry said:
You may have missed it but White signed a 2 way deal and got sent down.
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Right, but they finished camp with Hajek, Wagner and Psysk still on PTOs. Nothing has been announced about any of them, and Psysk in particular still has a locker with the Penguins. Maybe there are rules because of his injury, and maybe the other guys have just been quietly released from their PTOs.
 
AuroraBorealis said:
So training camp for the Forwards ended up being a battle for 1 free spot, really. That went to Harkins...a guy that only played 2 games oddly enough.
The rest we had penciled in in July, regardless of performance.

It's just funny after all the hype about depth and competition we posted for months, that that's the process in reality.

On the blue line there's still some leeway for change, with Shea and Ludwig.
Ruhwedels spot was the only one that should have been in question anyway, so that part is fine.

Goaltending is fine too. Hellberg is not better than Ned.
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While I figured O'Connor deserved a spot, I wasn't counting on him getting one. Especially after last year, when the summer consensus was that DOC would be on the NHL roster, and then he was sent down during training camp.
O'Connor made it impossible during training camp for them to even think of sending him down, so the fact that it worked out that way makes it look like it was predetermined, but I don't think he was guaranteed a spot by any stretch of the imagination. They signed Nylander to a one-way deal as well, after all.

On top of that, as was pointed out by others, Guentzel wasn't expected to be ready to start the season.
So there were originally three roster spots open at forward, then Guentzel turned out to be ready sooner than they thought, taking that down to 2, and those two spots were won by O'Connor and Harkins.

In terms of the other spots being penned in since July - well, yeah? I mean, anyone signed on July 1st to a one-way deal was not someone the GM was thinking needed to compete for a spot. That meant that Eller, Nieto and Acciari were all assured spots. With Carter's contract, they have no choice but to have him on the roster, and they certainly weren't going to send down any of Crosby, Guentzel, Malkin, Rakell, Rust or Smith.

You know who didn't get a spot, that I figured had the inside track? Hinostroza and Johnsson. Two veteran players, neither of whom won out in the competition over O'Connor or Harkins.
 
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Andy99 said:
He’s not…in fact, he’s more likely to get a promotion when one of Letang or EK get hurt…
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At this point I don't even know what our biggest issue is. It's hard to make lineup decisions after one game. I'm not even going to harp on the usual scapegoats because we haven't seen enough to make real objective assessments yet.

TOI results

POJ-Ruhwedel only played about 11:30 each.
Karlsson played 26:00
Letang played 24:00
All of that's to be expected

On forward our 4th liners barely cracked 10 minutes each. Most of the top 6 guys were pushing 18-19 minutes of TOI.

Maybe we looked so gassed in the third because we couldn't rely on the bottom six enough to give our big guns a breather?
 
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Headshot77 said:
At this point I don't even know what our biggest issue is. It's hard to make lineup decisions after one game. I'm not even going to harp on the usual scapegoats because we haven't seen enough to make real objective assessments yet.

TOI results

POJ-Ruhwedel only played about 11:30 each.
Karlsson played 26:00
Letang played 24:00
All of that's to be expected

On forward our 4th liners barely cracked 10 minutes each. Most of the top 6 guys were pushing 18-19 minutes of TOI.

Maybe we looked so gassed in the third because we couldn't rely on the bottom six enough to give our big guns a breather?
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Coastal Kev said:
Dubas looks over roster and says............"we need more veteran legs for upcoming season"

What a maroon
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Live footage of Kyle Dubas.
 
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Joseph/Carter for Garland and a 4th

Jake-Sid-Rust
Smith-Malkin-Rakell
O'Connor-Eller-Garland
Neito-Acciari-Harkins

Graves-Letang
Petterson-Karlson
Friedman-Ruhwedel
 
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lettuceAA said:
Joseph/Carter for Garland and a 4th

Jake-Sid-Rust
Smith-Malkin-Rakell
O'Connor-Eller-Garland
Neito-Acciari-Harkins

Graves-Letang
Petterson-Karlson
Friedman-Ruhwedel
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#1 I think it's way too early to give up on POJ. He's a cost controlled LD who still has some headroom
#2 Doubt JC waives to go ANYWHERE. Sully is the only coach that would regularly play him and JC knows this
 
lettuceAA said:
Joseph/Carter for Garland and a 4th

Jake-Sid-Rust
Smith-Malkin-Rakell
O'Connor-Eller-Garland
Neito-Acciari-Harkins

Graves-Letang
Petterson-Karlson
Friedman-Ruhwedel
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Carter is absolutely not waiving his NMC for Vancouver, the Penguins aren't going to destroy their bottom pair like that, it doesn't work with the cap and I doubt Vancouver would do it. But other than that it's a great idea :laugh:
 
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Carter is here this year. He bought a house here so no way he gives them the OK to trade him. Dubas went all in on Karlsson. While I have some reservations as to his playing a full season, He will help the d out for sure. POJ to me is expendable if the new LD who has a physical edge can work his way into the top 6. Pens have no cap space here so Dubas will be stuck with what he has. But with 18 million next year, He will be active for sure. He spoke to working on an extension on Guentzel. I am hoping after seeing him he rethinks that position. Jake is simply not a top LW anymore. First game fine, but his speed is not what it once was and his D is really poor. He still has the skill set but the minuses are just to big to ignore now.
 
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