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Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "But if you don't get the President of the Pittsburgh Penguins on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you?"

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How soon before Letang is back on PP1:

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Ryder71 said:
He should and I'm sure he will get another year to prove himself. But If he doesn't do something soon then yeah, it's getting a bit late. Even if he does make it (which in any meaningful role I question) he won't be anything special. Serviceable maybe.
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Most 20+ 1sts aren’t anything special.

This is why I was arguing with you about trading 1sts lol
 
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Gurglesons said:
Most 20+ 1sts aren’t anything special.

This is why I was arguing with you about trading 1sts lol
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Yeah, but considering we just drafted 14th logic would suggest in coming years the quality of the prospects should be higher. Which is why I'm glad we kept 14th, even if we just missed out on Benson I have optimism about landing Yager.
 
So training camp for the Forwards ended up being a battle for 1 free spot, really. That went to Harkins...a guy that only played 2 games oddly enough.
The rest we had penciled in in July, regardless of performance.

It's just funny after all the hype about depth and competition we posted for months, that that's the process in reality.

On the blue line there's still some leeway for change, with Shea and Ludwig.
Ruhwedels spot was the only one that should have been in question anyway, so that part is fine.

Goaltending is fine too. Hellberg is not better than Ned.
 
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AuroraBorealis said:
So training camp for the Forwards ended up being a battle for 1 free spot, really. That went to Harkins...a guy that only played 2 games oddly enough.
The rest we had penciled in in July, regardless of performance.

It's just funny after all the hype about depth and competition we posted for months, that that's the process in reality.

On the blue line there's still some leeway for change, with Shea and Ludwig.
Ruhwedels spot was the only one that should have been in question anyway, so that part is fine.

Goaltending is fine too. Hellberg is not better than Ned.
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The process - in reality - is that bubble players trying to make a contenders line-up don't only have to be marginally better than veterans on one way deals, they have to be enough better that a coach can ignore the vets' proven track records.

Who blew the doors off preseason? Nobody apparently. 32 teams passed on taking any of our guys for free.

Harkins leapfrogged Zohorna because he fit what our bottom 6 needed and had a very productive year in the minors last season. And we got him for nothing. Same for Ludvig. C'est la vie.
 
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Dipsy Doodle said:
The process - in reality - is that bubble players trying to make a contenders line-up don't only have to be marginally better than veterans on one way deals, they have to be enough better that a coach can ignore the vets' proven track records.
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In terms of being more than marginally better, I think it's fair to say that happened this year in a few guys' cases. Significant gaps in effectiveness. It doesn't matter on this team though.
Some guys get demoted before they can continue their good work, like Poulin and Puustinen. Then there were guys like Colin White, who were doing absolutely nothing, and stayed until the end. I just find it all very tiring to watch.
Dipsy Doodle said:
Harkins leapfrogged Zohorna because he fit what our bottom 6 needed and had a very productive year in the minors last season. And we got him for nothing. Same for Ludvig. C'est la vie.
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I'm fine with Harkins, for now. I don't think he was better than RZ in this camp at all, but there's decent reasoning for him being one of the best bottom-sixers to throw out there. He looks hungry and abrasive, and we need that. He drew like 2-3 penalties, which was nice.
I'm less fine with Carter and Nieto playing tonight. Acciari was kind of a ghost too. Disappointing showing.
I would just like to see a fair punishment/reward system for performance. I've given up on it ever happening though.
 
AuroraBorealis said:
In terms of being more than marginally better, I think it's fair to say that happened this year in a few guys' cases. Significant gaps in effectiveness. It doesn't matter on this team though.
Some guys get demoted before they can continue their good work, like Poulin and Puustinen. Then there were guys like Colin White, who were doing absolutely nothing, and stayed until the end. I just find it all very tiring to watch.

I'm fine with Harkins, for now. I don't think he was better than RZ in this camp at all, but there's decent reasoning for him being one of the best bottom-sixers to throw out there. He looks hungry and abrasive, and we need that. He drew like 2-3 penalties, which was nice.
I'm less fine with Carter and Nieto playing tonight. Acciari was kind of a ghost too. Disappointing showing.
I would just like to see a fair punishment/reward system for performance. I've given up on it ever happening though.
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Like I said, the vets were guys on one way contracts, and none of the young(ish) players did enough to perk up the ears of a single GM when they hit the waiver wire.

Puustinen and Poulin were fine, but they were also waiver-exempt. These aren't players you want only getting 4th line minutes either - so who should they supplant?

We had camp, added a couple young waiver wire guys who are better than what we had in the pool for zilch, and lost nobody. Sounds like we hit our mandate of competition and depth to me.
 
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AuroraBorealis said:
In terms of being more than marginally better, I think it's fair to say that happened this year in a few guys' cases. Significant gaps in effectiveness. It doesn't matter on this team though.
Some guys get demoted before they can continue their good work, like Poulin and Puustinen. Then there were guys like Colin White, who were doing absolutely nothing, and stayed until the end. I just find it all very tiring to watch.

I'm fine with Harkins, for now. I don't think he was better than RZ in this camp at all, but there's decent reasoning for him being one of the best bottom-sixers to throw out there. He looks hungry and abrasive, and we need that. He drew like 2-3 penalties, which was nice.
I'm less fine with Carter and Nieto playing tonight. Acciari was kind of a ghost too. Disappointing showing.
I would just like to see a fair punishment/reward system for performance. I've given up on it ever happening though.
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Well, as you alluded to, Harkins gets a jersey, a week ago no one even thought he'd be here. Also it appears as though Jake is gonna be ready tonight. In Zoho's case those are two of our spots we believed weren't gonna be filled on opening night by anyone else. I agree he should be here, but those were two such players not on the radar this time last week. Clearly Dubas is not afraid to add or subtract at a moments notice when it comes to the bottom guys (especially guys who aren't established NHLers). Zoho is 3RW if Harkins isn't here. But I thought Harkins made a real good impression in the opportunity presented to him.

As far as the guys you mentioned on the 4th line I think you have a valid point. However they are all proven at the nhl level and have been for quite some time. TBH None of them really impressed me either, but Zoho doesn't strike me as a 4th line guy anyhow. And since they are guaranteed NHL contracts it seemed unlikely any would be supplanted.
 
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Should I expect another paper transaction so they can play one of the waived forwards? Or is Jake gonna play? Not the best with the cap stuff.
 
Dipsy Doodle said:
Like I said, the vets were guys on one way contracts, and none of the young(ish) players did enough to perk up the ears of a single GM when they hit the waiver wire.

Puustinen and Poulin were fine, but they were also waiver-exempt. These aren't players you want only getting 4th line minutes either - so who should they supplant?

We had camp, added a couple young waiver wire guys who are better than what we had in the pool for zilch, and lost nobody. Sounds like we hit our mandate of competition and depth to me.
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Not sure how many times people have to discuss waiver exemption until it's understood. That played a very large part in this. Especially in Poulins case who missed almost 2 seasons of development the last 3-4 years.
 
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CheckingLineCenter said:
Should I expect another paper transaction so they can play one of the waived forwards? Or is Jake gonna play? Not the best with the cap stuff.
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I dont think anyone can be sent down w/o waivers. And since we didn't put anyone on waivers yesterday we can't send anyone down yet.
So At least for the 1st game we can't make any roster move.

I'd guess that one of Shea or Ludvig wil be sent down (I know Ludvig can be claimed back by FLA), or they finally trade or waive Ruh (yeah right).
Otherwise we are stuck with the 12G 8 D setup


My guess is Shea on waivers soon enough and then Zohorna back up for a 13F 7D setup.
 
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deakka said:
I dont think anyone can be sent down w/o waivers. And since we didn't put anyone on waivers yesterday we can't send anyone down yet.
So At least for the 1st game we can't make any roster move.

I'd guess that one of Shea or Ludvig wil be sent down (I know Ludvig can be claimed back by FLA), or they finally trade or waive Ruh (yeah right).
Otherwise we are stuck with the 12G 8 D setup


My guess is Shea on waivers soon enough and then Zohorna back up for a 13F 7D setup.
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Isn't there a thing where they called players up after 5pm and it counts on the cap the next day? I remember something like that.
 


The cup is ours!

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deakka said:
I dont think anyone can be sent down w/o waivers. And since we didn't put anyone on waivers yesterday we can't send anyone down yet.
So At least for the 1st game we can't make any roster move.

I'd guess that one of Shea or Ludvig wil be sent down (I know Ludvig can be claimed back by FLA), or they finally trade or waive Ruh (yeah right).
Otherwise we are stuck with the 12G 8 D setup


My guess is Shea on waivers soon enough and then Zohorna back up for a 13F 7D setup.
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Thanks makes sense.

So Jake is in tonight.

My new question is this (for you or anyone else)— how long is the period where you can call up Zohorna, Nylander, etc. for 30 days/9 games without subjecting them to waivers? Is that indefinite or does it expire?

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The cup is ours!

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Zaggin where others zig
 
Dipsy Doodle said:
The process - in reality - is that bubble players trying to make a contenders line-up don't only have to be marginally better than veterans on one way deals, they have to be enough better that a coach can ignore the vets' proven track records.

Who blew the doors off preseason? Nobody apparently. 32 teams passed on taking any of our guys for free.

Harkins leapfrogged Zohorna because he fit what our bottom 6 needed and had a very productive year in the minors last season. And we got him for nothing. Same for Ludvig. C'est la vie.
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Yep Ty Smith Zahorna Nylander.

None of em got grabbed. Nobody wants are shit.

Harkins impressed PKs and plays physical. If Zahorna did maybe he'd be up.


Also Poulin and Puus waiver eligible they were getting sent down. Honestly Puus has a high ceiling but he's a guy I think you need to put in an offensive role and we don't gift those.

Poulin I am positive will get a call up and next season will be his make or break season for NHL regular.
 
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Yeah I think some fans here have a super unrealistic idea of how teams decide what players actually make their teams. Teams don't throw aside proven NHLers for young players unless that young player is substantially better than the proven NHLer, and the Penguins absolutely do not have any young players who fall in that category.

The idea that the Penguins would waive say Nieto to give Poulin a roster spot is just flat out not how any NHL team operates, especially considering Poulin is waiver exempt. Even taking out the aspect of waiver eligibility, the Penguins signed Nieto in the off-season and he absolutely didn't play poorly in the pre-season. That would send a horrible message to future UFAs.

None of the Penguins veterans played poorly enough to lose their spots in the pre-season. I don't even think Carter played poorly, he looks slow but he did score a goal in the pre-season, drew a couple of penalties and actually had terrific on-ice results. The starting lineup that they're running with tonight is the correct lineup, outside of my preference of flipping Rakell and Rust.

Now I think they need to waive one of Ruhwedel or Shea (probably Shea) and call up Zohorna to balance out the extras, but the lineup they're going to run with tonight is the correct lineup.
 
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I hope Carter and Ruhwedel develop the same strain of equipment allergy that keeps them from ever playing for this team again.
 
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