Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "But if you don't get the President of the Pittsburgh Penguins on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you?"

[KrisLetAngry]

I don't want to speak for this poster, but there were thoughts Helle was going to command that much if he hit FA.

The entire argument was for not locking up garbage because 'nothing else is available'...that's a horrible position on logic in any area of life.

Welp, no houses are available in our price range might as well go for the 7 figure option. Welp, no cars are on sale right now and I need a car so instead of looking used I'll pay 10k over msrp.

The logic of signing Jarry was the logic of 'there's zero other goalies available who can wear pads for 50+ games a year, therefore we must sign him. To sign him, he requires 5 by 5 with trade protections.' - utter disgrace to a world full of goalies. ANYONE else would have done fine. Platoon 5 different 1 million dollar goalies and save yourself 4M on a nightly basis which might have improved - hmm idk - the bottom 6? Add 4M to the bottom 6 and ice any other goalie in the league and it's an improved team.

The problems with signing Jarry are countless. The decision to sign Jarry is one from bad logic and rash decision-making.

My point of dropping 8 million is one point - because next year we'd have been better financially. But this YOLO and FOMO shit is/has/will always ruin GMs in the NHL. Nothing - I mean not a single NHL game - in Jarry's body of work dictated that he's the guy you HAVE to sign or the season is a failure. Quite the opposite should you require a side to pick.

I was open to trading and signing Hellebyuck to his large contract but the price may have been too high or he didn't see us as contenders and said I'd rather go elsewhere. Who really knows on him.

I don't think Jarry is garbage either. I guess I am of the mind of sign Jarry because any other goalie behind our effort and system would just do worse is my thought.

 

[molon labe]

I was open to trading and signing Hellebyuck to his large contract but the price may have been too high or he didn't see us as contenders and said I'd rather go elsewhere. Who really knows on him.

I don't think Jarry is garbage either. I guess I am of the mind of sign Jarry because any other goalie behind our effort and system would just do worse is my thought.

To try another way-

Today you're going to fail. At the end of the day you will fail and spent $100 in the process in option A. Option B is the same failure, but you spent $5000. Which option of failure should you choose?

A step further, every dollar you don't spend on losing is a dollar you can spend towards your success. So in option A, you can spend 4900 towards your success (though likely still lose) before your break-even on option B.

Jarry plays no differently in front of this team than any other goalie. Therefore, why does he get more money and a shit load of term to try?

Plenty of different ways to put this - but again, Jarry has never shown success- EVER. You staked your future, a healthy cap amount, and a roster spot on someone unproven. Would be like me signing one of you to GM my club - not on a 1 year prove it deal, but on a 5 year guaranteed contract. Stupidity on Dubas here outright. Jarry's time is literally now to show why he's worth his term/$. The team isn't playing great, therefore he (like ANY starter in the NHL) should steal us 1 or 2 games. Not all the bad games, but a couple. Jarry is incapable of stealing a win for this club. That's bad news for an old team destined for numerous stinkers along the way.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

To try another way-

Today you're going to fail. At the end of the day you will fail and spent $100 in the process in option A. Option B is the same failure, but you spent $5000. Which option of failure should you choose?

A step further, every dollar you don't spend on losing is a dollar you can spend towards your success. So in option A, you can spend 4900 towards your success (though likely still lose) before your break-even on option B.

Jarry plays no differently in front of this team than any other goalie. Therefore, why does he get more money and a shit load of term to try?

Plenty of different ways to put this - but again, Jarry has never shown success- EVER. You staked your future, a healthy cap amount, and a roster spot on someone unproven. Would be like me signing one of you to GM my club - not on a 1 year prove it deal, but on a 5 year guaranteed contract. Stupidity on Dubas here outright. Jarry's time is literally now to show why he's worth his term/$. The team isn't playing great, therefore he (like ANY starter in the NHL) should steal us 1 or 2 games. Not all the bad games, but a couple. Jarry is incapable of stealing a win for this club. That's bad news for an old team destined for numerous stinkers along the way.

Well I guess for me

It is 100 or 500 dollars.

I'm willing to gamble on the 500 for a chance at success because the 100 essentially guarantees 0 success.

We can revist after there's more games played by Jarry and we can determine by the half season. Too few games to count all the hatched chickens ye know.

 

[SEALBound]

Real hockey people Called Alexis Lafreniere the best prospect since McDavid.

Real hockey People drafted Nail Yakupov and Patrik Stefan 1st overall

Real hockey people signed Jarry to a 5 year contract

Real hockey people gave Dan Bylsma the Jack Adams

I can keep going

To be fair, a lot of those things are "in hindsight". Alexis Lafreniere was the consensus 1OV. Yakupov was widely considered be the 1OV despite a few deviating from that opinion. Bylsma did (and much as it pains me to say it) provide decent coaching in the face in injuries in 2011.

But only in hindsight does AL and NY bust, Bylsma is given 2 too many years...the league is full of those "bad in hindsight decisions".

The Jarry contract, man even my grandmother could have told you that was going to be a rough contract. So I mean, there are some signings and trades that we all knew were bad at the time but you have to balance that out with the number that are decent signings and trades (assuming you put them into a bad, even, good categories). 32 teams, 22 players - 700+ contracts? How many of them are truly bad?

It’s not the killer instinct…it’s “the process” lol…I mean look at the stupid quotes from Carter…it’s not going to “come around,” we have a year’s worth of data at least regarding the Pens finishing problems…they need to change the way they play

Forward Jeff Carter isn't worried about the Penguins' struggles

A mere 19 years into his existence as an NHL player, Jeff Carter has seen plenty of good and bad in his career. Be it his promising start with the Philadelphia Flyers in the mid-2000s, which came to a dysfunctional conclusion, or his brief and awkward fit with the Columbus

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Of all the people to ask about overall performance...Jesus Effing Cripes...

 

[Josey Wales]

Hockey players are the best

Video from above meeting

 

[Andy99]

Some grades for October lol…

October Grades: Penguins struggle through tough month

It wasn’t a pretty month for the Penguins to start the season

www.pensburgh.com

 

[The Old Master]

He thinks he’s hot shite….. never liked the guy…hated him in Philly, same with LA, hated we acquired him….

you hate everybody.

 

[Coastal Kev]

you hate everybody

You're just jelly

 

[Tacitus Kilgore]

To be fair, a lot of those things are "in hindsight". Alexis Lafreniere was the consensus 1OV. Yakupov was widely considered be the 1OV despite a few deviating from that opinion. Bylsma did (and much as it pains me to say it) provide decent coaching in the face in injuries in 2011.

But only in hindsight does AL and NY bust, Bylsma is given 2 too many years...the league is full of those "bad in hindsight decisions".

The Jarry contract, man even my grandmother could have told you that was going to be a rough contract. So I mean, there are some signings and trades that we all knew were bad at the time but you have to balance that out with the number that are decent signings and trades (assuming you put them into a bad, even, good categories). 32 teams, 22 players - 700+ contracts? How many of them are truly bad?

Of all the people to ask about overall performance...Jesus Effing Cripes...

I mean sure those were in hidsight. But that doesn't change the fact those decisions were made by "hockey people"

Some decisions that were also made by "hockey people" and that were immediately panned:

The acquisition of Granlund a decision made by a real GM albeit a terrible one. We alllllll know that was an awful decision right away.

Another would be the signing of Jack Johnson to a lengthy contract before even playing for us. I mean heck the decision was made by a recent back to back Cup winning GM

who else were you going to sign or Trade for other than Jarry ?
Bylsma deserved it, he also deserved to be fired
& Gurglesons still Thinks Yakupov is gonna be great

Signing Jarry to 5 years was the mistake. As far as public knowledge goes, there was no bidding war for him with another team. We had zero reason to give him that term.

Also there have been plenty of decisions made by "hockey people" that were immediately panned and were proven to be horrible.

 

[Icarium]

How do you have a near full time 5v3 and not only fail to score, but give up a breakaway, and don’t get a save from your goalie?… all in a game you played fantastic in.

They didn't play fantastic by any means. They just had their usual 20 strong minutes against a team with very suspect defense who kept taking really dumb penalties. And as usual they failed to capitalize from tilting the ice in these 20 minutes but this time in the most comical of fashions.

The process is not fine at all. This "we created more chances but lost" phenomenon has been going on for years now. It's not a statistical anomaly in the slightest. It's the logical result of a team that is beyond terrible at scoring dirty goals and screening goalies. A team with an underperforming power play and inconsistent PK. A team which also very rarely can put in a 60 minute effort. So they look "fantastic" for 20 or 30 or even 40 minutes, fail to kill the game off, run out of steam (or get behind by a few goals early on if the good minutes come at the end) and end up losing or hanging on for dear life. In short, they are playing stupid hockey and make things easy for their opponents.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Hockey people and execs are dumb as cowshit. Only marks and rubes seem to think otherwise.

you hate everybody.

When he’s right, he’s right.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Some grades for October lol…

October Grades: Penguins struggle through tough month

It wasn’t a pretty month for the Penguins to start the season

www.pensburgh.com

This is terrible.

"For all the cries about Sullivan’s system, when setting aside emotions and frustration, the system is still pretty much is working perfectly. It is putting the team in position to pile up chances, players aren’t converting."

Guess Hooks Orpik thinks the only thing missing is sticktoitiveness.

 

[Tacitus Kilgore]

Hockey people and execs are dumb as cowshit. Only marks and rubes seem to think otherwise.


When he’s right, he’s right.

I remember when the Flames drafted Mark Jankowski and almost everyone was like, who tf is that

Edit: Better yet, when we took Pouliot over Trouba and Forsberg

This is terrible.

"For all the cries about Sullivan’s system, when setting aside emotions and frustration, the system is still pretty much is working perfectly. It is putting the team in position to pile up chances, players aren’t converting."

Guess Hooks Orpik thinks the only thing missing is sticktoitiveness.

That shit makes me want to gouge my eyes out with a blunt object

 

[HandshakeLine]

pensburgh is really scared that they won’t get free passes anymore

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

pensburgh is really scared that they won’t get free passes anymore

I remember when Pensburgh used to call it like it is and was kinda funny

Now they don't dare rock the boat lest their gravy train gets cut off

 

[HandshakeLine]

Yeah they are scared as shit now lol, FSG might have done something right by accident.

 

[Icarium]

The system is working perfectly but we are going to give the coach a D. Amazing journalism.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

This is terrible.

"For all the cries about Sullivan’s system, when setting aside emotions and frustration, the system is still pretty much is working perfectly. It is putting the team in position to pile up chances, players aren’t converting."

Guess Hooks Orpik thinks the only thing missing is sticktoitiveness.

Giving Karlsson and Graves the same rating, and putting Letang above both, certainly is a choice.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think Sullivan's system is working exactly as intended. His system just doesn't result in goals, just low quality perimeter shots. It's the same concept as how the roster is doing exactly what it's designed to do, it doesn't change the fact that the inherent design is shitty.

 

[HandshakeLine]

good thing we designed the roster around his system.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Hockey people and execs are dumb as cowshit. Only marks and rubes seem to think otherwise.


When he’s right, he’s right.

I guess perception does become reality. And in all fairness, I'm just early, this board usually catches on to my dislike list eventually.

 

[mpp9]

I think Sullivan's system is working exactly as intended. His system just doesn't result in goals, just low quality perimeter shots. It's the same concept as how the roster is doing exactly what it's designed to do, it doesn't change the fact that the inherent design is shitty.

They get some quality looks but there’s zero net presence for screens/rebounds. And the shooters they have ain’t good enough to beat a goalie clean enough of the time.

That 5 on 3 was exhibit A. Team misses Hornqvist badly.

 

[Josey Wales]

I guess perception does become reality. And in all fairness, I'm just early, this board usually catches on to my dislike list eventually.

Well If you fling enough shit at the wall some will evitably stick, Biggie Boy

 

[Coastal Kev]

Well If you fling enough shit at the wall some will evitably stick, Biggie Boy

You would be shocked with a retrospective. But that's ok, nobody cares.

 

[Gurglesons]

I remember when Pensburgh used to call it like it is and was kinda funny

Now they don't dare rock the boat lest their gravy train gets cut off

That was Pensblog. Pensburgh has always been pretty team friendly.