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Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "But if you don't get the President of the Pittsburgh Penguins on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you?"

How soon before Letang is back on PP1:

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Pancakes said:
I like that POJ is the one sitting when Ruh had the absolutely abysmal night the other day.

Not that POJ is playing well either but that's just a classic Sully move.
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I honestly would have been down for Shea + Ludvig pair just for accountability. I really dislike POJ sitting over RuH though.

eXile3 said:
Yeah I don’t get this. Switching out AHL fodder isn’t going to solve the 3rd lines issues.
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combo of let's see what we got and we don't have cap space or assets available to trade currently for a big change.

What we do have is a lot of players in the AHL that could be called up and tried which is also free. So let's do that before the 5th game of the season before Dubas goes for a trade.
 
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They should be rotating through these depth guys but I ultimately don't think that's going to make a difference with the bottom-6.

The only way the bottom-6 scoring issues are going to be fixed is by either Sullivan changing his offensive system or someone like Rakell being pushed to L3. And we all know the first one isn't going to happen.
 
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eXile3 said:
Yeah I don’t get this. Switching out AHL fodder isn’t going to solve the 3rd lines issues.
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My response to this is: probably not

But perhaps some combo generates/clicks and is able to develop some occasional offense
Doing nothing can't be an option. I'm glad they're quickly moving on from guys like Harkins
 
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Ugene Magic said:
Getting top line minutes in the preseason probably skewed expectations around here.



Yeah. Him playing with O'Connor and Eller could bring some elements of what they had in the preseason, but will they get more than 4th line minutes on the 3rd line to show anything worthwhile?

Temper expectations is really key. There's really nothing to suggest a 3rd line will get 15 to 17 minutes to suggest they trust the line "in all" situations.
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yeah, temper that…Zohorna won’t be playing on L3…they’re going to try moving up Nieto…he’ll be on L4
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
They should be rotating through these depth guys but I ultimately don't think that's going to make a difference with the bottom-6.
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Absolutely agree. I've said this multiple times: if you're not named Eller, you get 4-6 games to show something on this team. If you don't, then another guy is going to get a shot in the lineup

Will it really make a difference? Likely not, but at least we're TRYING something
 
Ugene Magic said:
I don't know if this is a real question or not? I don't think anyone is against the callup more than saying it really isn't going to move the needle.
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It's a real question based on the insta-skeptics. Of course it's probably not going to move the needle. We don't have any needle movers hidden away anywhere. Microimprovements are still meaningful to bubble teams like ourselves.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
The point they're making is that Zohorna over Harkins isn't going to impact the standings.
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Right now I’m just hoping it leads to accountability and it ignites a fire in some players with their jobs on the line.

No one in the bottom 6 looks hungry. If Nieto and doc continue to be bad do it to them next.
 
Zirakzigil said:
Cant wait for Zohorna to come up and do nothing. So half the fanbase will say hes useless and to call up the next scrub and the other half to blame Sully.
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Once again the issue is the quality of these guys, we have plenty of such players, not sure it'll make much of a difference but unless we go outside of the ORG this is our plight. Gotta hope someone catches fire even for just a few games.
 
I view this as similar to shuffling deck chairs on the titanic. ALL will ultimately meet the Sea! the question is can one or two stay afloat a little longer?

Zohorna in a pinch MIGHT actually do something. It's worth a shot. But again we really don't have many ''good'' options at the moment.
 
Ryder71 said:
I view this as similar to shuffling deck chairs on the titanic. ALL will ultimately meet the Sea! the question is can one or two stay afloat a little longer?

Zohorna in a pinch MIGHT actually do something. It's worth a shot. But again we really don't have many ''good'' options at the moment.
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SOOOO what do you do Future GM Extraordinaire
 
Ryder71 said:
Once again the issue is the quality of these guys, we have plenty of such players, not sure it'll make much of a difference but unless we go outside of the ORG this is our plight. Gotta hope someone catches fire even for just a few games.
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There really aren't better sub 1M players outside the organization that are available. I think Heinen could maybe do marginally better than what we've gotten so far from a few bottom-sixers, but there's not much out there.
If scoring is the concern, we have a few guys who score at decent rates in their careers... Pitlick, Hinostroza, Z, Nylander. Maybe 1 or 2 of them work out and there's a little support.

If you mean acquisition through trade for a pricier, better depth piece, then the only player I can think of who will realistically send cap out is Acciari. But he'd have to suck for a while for them to get to that point. Anyone who's 3M+ on this roster is either untradeable or doesn't make sense to trade. So I just don't see where the cap comes from for a better 3C or whatever.
 
Josey Wales said:
UMMMMMMMMMMM he told everyone he had a contract worked out & didn't & fired his agent ! GENIUS
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Well, the extraordinary GM that I would have been I would have figured out a way. Because after all I am extraordinary!

AuroraBorealis said:
There really aren't better sub 1M players outside the organization that are available. I think Heinen could maybe do marginally better than what we've gotten so far from a few bottom-sixers, but there's not much out there.
If scoring is the concern, we have a few guys who score at decent rates in their careers... Pitlick, Hinostroza, Z, Nylander. Maybe 1 or 2 of them work out and there's a little support.

If you mean acquisition through trade for a pricier, better depth piece, then the only player I can think of who will realistically send cap out is Acciari. But he'd have to suck for a while for them to get to that point. Anyone who's 3M+ on this roster is either untradeable or doesn't make sense to trade. So I just don't see where the cap comes from for a better 3C or whatever.
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There is one other possibility I'm mulling over, and if things continue along the same lines maybe I'll mention it in the next couple of weeks. But I want to see how things play out first. We got some tough games against some tough opponents next week I want to see how we fare.
 
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Ryder71 said:
I would have signed Tatar instead of Acciari but that ship as sailed.
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Nothing wrong with the Acciari signing as long as he was slotted in as a 4th liner who could PK and add physicality. The problem is he's essentially our second best bottom six player because the rest of the bottom six is full of 4th liners/AHL tweeners.

Honestly, the big issue is the 3rd line; namely, we don't really have one. If something like Nieto/Eller/Acciari was our 4th line and we had a much better 3rd line, that would be more than fine.
 
Ryder71 said:
Well, the extraordinary GM that I would have been I would have figured out a way. Because after all I am extraordinary!


There is one other possibility I'm mulling over, and if things continue along the same lines maybe I'll mention it in the next couple of weeks. But I want to see how things play out first. We got some tough games against some tough opponents next week I want to see how we fare.
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You can't find you ass with Both Hands & a flashlight
 
Sidney the Kidney said:
Nothing wrong with the Acciari signing as long as he was slotted in as a 4th liner who could PK and add physicality. The problem is he's essentially our second best bottom six player because the rest of the bottom six is full of 4th liners/AHL tweeners.

Honestly, the big issue is the 3rd line; namely, we don't really have one. If something like Nieto/Eller/Acciari was our 4th line and we had a much better 3rd line, that would be more than fine.
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Acciari has done next to nothing at this point, he's not been overly impressive on the forcheck or in the face off Dot he's not been overly physical so what exactly should we pay $2 million dollars per year for 3 years for? He's been as vanilla and unremarkable is anybody else. And for that salary and considering our cap constraints that is not the most judicious manner by which we should allocate those funds. Hell no! To this point he's been a bum,
a disappointment, a nobody.!

Josey Wales said:
You can't find you ass with Both Hands & a flashlight
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When responding to my posts please sound coherent, thanks.
 
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The bottom-six is putting the puck into really poor spots on dump-ins, and not giving themselves a chance to get O-zone time. They're not getting controlled zone entries either.
So just being more careful could lead to a little more joy there. That's an area where I expect Z to make better decisions than these guys are currently making. He doesn't surrender the puck so easily like that.
 
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