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Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "But if you don't get the President of the Pittsburgh Penguins on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you?"

How soon before Letang is back on PP1:

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pistolpete11 said:
Raddysh seems like a case of a guy being fed an offensive role on a shitty team. Don't see much difference to DOC other than we'd have to give up assets to get him.

I'm not entirely against a trade like that, but I don't understand why we wouldn't just try that with the guys we already have first.
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Rather turn POJ into something that isn’t another weak ass defenseman who can move the puck but doesn’t really have offensive or defensive skills.
 
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Buddy Bizarre said:
There have been 2 constants these past number of years:

1. The core
2. Sully

If that's not a reasonable place to start assigning blame, I'm not sure how else we can spell this out
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I agree with the above statement, but would like to acknowledge that a third variable has been introduced in Dubas. He seems to not be complacent, and I have nothing to complain about up to this point. The hope is he continues to assert himself in whatever way he thinks he can improve the team.

If he does that, worst case is we have yet another villain that most here can bitch about ad nauseam.
 
Darren McCord said:
This team fell apart when GCR was anointed the best line ever in hockey from Sullivan.
Rakell is MIA on line two. Has been more than not since he got here. He doesnt mesh with geno as well.

If Rust or Rakell was allowed to play on line 3 this team would be much better off. It's not about breaking up GCR either as much as its putting everyone in the best place to succeed.
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Rakell had 28 goals last year. He meshes fine with both.
 
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vodeni said:
He is playing different role here. mostly F3, he even acknowledged that he does not have opportunity to chase the puck and get as hard on forecheck since his role is to control the blue line and NZ
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Do you have a source for this? Not saying it's untrue, but I don't recall it and I'd like to see it.
 
Claim MacEwen
Send down Shea
Bring up White
Go with...

O'Connor Crosby Rust
Smith Malkin Acciari
Guentzel Eller Rakell
Nieto MacEwen White
Carter

Graves Letang
Pettersson Karlsson
Joseph Ludvig
Ruhwedel
 
Darren McCord said:
Rakell had 11 pp goals last year. 17 EVS

Rakell with Sid + 7 22pts
Rakell with Geno - 4 13pts

He was much much better with Sid.
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ok, misunderstood, thought you were saying Rakell more often than not, has been MIA here. But given the top6 start its going to be hard to move any of them around or to line 3.

Rakell67 said:
Claim MacEwen
Send down Shea
Bring up White
Go with...

O'Connor Crosby Rust
Smith Malkin Acciari
Guentzel Eller Rakell
Nieto MacEwen White
Carter

Graves Letang
Pettersson Karlsson
Joseph Ludvig
Ruhwedel
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Bring up Zohorna go

GCR
Smith Malkin Raks
DOC Z Carter
Nieto Eller Acciari
 
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I don't think Eller has been bad enough to warrant bumping him for a AHL center. His problem is playing with two like-minded, like-skilled scrubs who...sorry to say DOC...suck.

I want to see him with some other guys like Zohorna or Hinostranza before I cast him away. The only thing that gets him to be 4C is to bring in a better 3C...which we do not currently have nor do we have the assets to obtain at the moment.

Our biggest "need" this season was "needing" Dubas to hit it big on a couple low dollar signings like Johnsson, Hino, Nieto, Accari, etc. It hasn't happened yet and there are signs suggesting it may not unless something is changed soon.
 
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SEALBound said:
I don't think Eller has been bad enough to warrant bumping him for a AHL center. His problem is playing with two like-minded, like-skilled scrubs who...sorry to say DOC...suck.

I want to see him with some other guys like Zohorna or Hinostranza before I cast him away. The only thing that gets him to be 4C is to bring in a better 3C...which we do not currently have nor do we have the assets to obtain at the moment.

Our biggest "need" this season was "needing" Dubas to hit it big on a couple low dollar signings like Johnsson, Hino, Nieto, Accari, etc. It hasn't happened yet and there are signs suggesting it may not unless something is changed soon.
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100% agree with the Eller comments. He looks like a fairly solid 3C that's just stuck on an island due to playing with 2 low IQ players. I don't think they'll make this change, but I'd probably bump Acciari to L3 and try Zohorna as the 3rd line LW. Go with:

Zohorna-Eller-Acciari
Nieto-O'Connor-Carter

I'm still very skeptical that would work, because I think they need to go outside of the organization to fix the bottom-6, but it's at least something to try. In a perfect world, I think you get a play driving LWer to play with Eller and Acciari for that 3rd line. Get another Reilly Smith to play LW and drive that line, have have Acciari be the forechecker and have Eller be the all-around center.
 
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Rakell67 said:
Claim MacEwen
Send down Shea
Bring up White
Go with...

O'Connor Crosby Rust
Smith Malkin Acciari
Guentzel Eller Rakell
Nieto MacEwen White
Carter

Graves Letang
Pettersson Karlsson
Joseph Ludvig
Ruhwedel
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MacEwen stinks. These lines stink, too.
 
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Glad he's getting waived. If you're looking for offense in the bottom-six, this is not your man for the job.
 
Ryder71 said:
We need to go OUTSIDE the organIzation to find better players to play in the bottom six. Good luck KD, you got your work cut out for you.
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I believe in him, he's done a good job so far. But he could have got better bottom 6 depth but those players need to be willing to come here and I think he was wanting players Sully wanted. But only so much one guy can do in his first offseason with the Pens, I am wondering what he does during the season or next offseason to fix the bottom 6. While they are better defensive players over our previous bottom 6, they are also not any better at offense.
 
Ryder71 said:
We need to go OUTSIDE the organIzation to find better players to play in the bottom six. Good luck KD, you got your work cut out for you.
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We don’t have the Cap…who’s trading for our shit with their better players?
 
SEALBound said:
I don't think Eller has been bad enough to warrant bumping him for a AHL center. His problem is playing with two like-minded, like-skilled scrubs who...sorry to say DOC...suck.

I want to see him with some other guys like Zohorna or Hinostranza before I cast him away. The only thing that gets him to be 4C is to bring in a better 3C...which we do not currently have nor do we have the assets to obtain at the moment.

Our biggest "need" this season was "needing" Dubas to hit it big on a couple low dollar signings like Johnsson, Hino, Nieto, Accari, etc. It hasn't happened yet and there are signs suggesting it may not unless something is changed soon.
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I think Eller has been fine. It’s more about putting a more offensive bottom6 line together from the pieces we have.
 
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SEALBound said:
I don't think Eller has been bad enough to warrant bumping him for a AHL center. His problem is playing with two like-minded, like-skilled scrubs who...sorry to say DOC...suck.

I want to see him with some other guys like Zohorna or Hinostranza before I cast him away. The only thing that gets him to be 4C is to bring in a better 3C...which we do not currently have nor do we have the assets to obtain at the moment.

Our biggest "need" this season was "needing" Dubas to hit it big on a couple low dollar signings like Johnsson, Hino, Nieto, Accari, etc. It hasn't happened yet and there are signs suggesting it may not unless something is changed soon.
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This is all true. Eller is a high-end 4C and low-end 3C at this point. He could work well also on the third if there was someone creative to drive offense there, but that is not the case. DOC is also someone you cannot expect to create chances for others. But the way he plays is potentially useful on any line.
More so if it enables quality on the third, but more than anything it is something to actually test to see if the boost to the third line would justify the (likely) relative loss on the 1st or 2nd.

Assuming Guentzel is tied to Sid, I think Rusty is the most likely top6 winger to be effective on the third irrespective of partners. But Rakell is the guy who might lift line mates more. He is creative/has better vision than Rust or Smith, and that disappears a bit when L2 goes as Geno goes.

DOC Eller Rakell for instance has something to it. Big Z looked great with Geno on the few occasions it has been tried.

Ultimately I’d just like for Sully to try something pro-actively rather than only potentially lucking into fits when injuries dictate changes.
 
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Andy99 said:
We don’t have the Cap…who’s trading for our shit with their better players?
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Yep, it's a bit of a conundrum isn't it? Course he pulled off the EK trade which was pretty miraculous so. I will say this there were players where early on in free agency I would have preferred over say Lars Eller. I don't think there's an easy way out of this, but if we just recycle has beens and never was I'm not so sure we're going to make much progress.
 
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