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DesertedPenguin said:
A trade that places like the Athletic was extremely lukewarm to on the Flyers' end? You're looking at the trade in hindsight now that Tippett has blossomed.




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NHL trade grades: Panthers land Claude Giroux at a discount

Flyers fans are going to hate the return, and they should. But Giroux had a no-move clause.
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Tippett was still more highly regarded at that time than any of the guys we got. He was in Kakko's current position of a change of scenery candidate. Plus they also got a guaranteed 1st and 3rd. For an older player with 0 cups who was picking his new team AKA there were no other negotiations or suitors. That is the main takeaway.
 
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WickedWrister said:
I don't think its a catastrophically bad return.
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It’s not. Canes fans don’t consider it a fleecing at all.

SomeDude said:
Tippett was still more highly regarded at that time than any of the guys we got. He was in Kakko's current position of a change of scenery candidate. Plus they also got a guaranteed 1st and 3rd. For an older player with 0 cups who was picking his new team AKA there were no other negotiations or suitors. That is the main takeaway.
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They got a guaranteed lottery protected pick two years in the future. Philly hasn’t even used that pick yet.
 
If anyone told me, after we lost to the Caps in the 2nd round in 2018 following the back-to-back cups, that this would be the high water mark for the rest of Sid and Geno's time with the Pens....


....that we would not unearth or develop one single impact player over the next +5 years.
....that Sully would stay our coach through four 1st round exits and a miss, plus now 61 games in another playoff miss bound season...
....that we would let go of two GM's during that period and hire a well-established failure as a consequence of finally missing the playoffs....
..... that we would sign Erik Karlsson to do dump-ins and not have him lead the breakout/consistently join the rush....
.... that we would have Guentzel be our net-front presence ever since dealing Horny away, and see a still worsening PP for years, being directly responsible for several playoff outs and this season arguably for not making it in, and not think we needed a change there....
.... and that Sully is STILL here despite these top management changes and results....


Well. I would not have believed it.

The mismanagement is just epic.
 
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DesertedPenguin said:
I'm serious. Do people really think there is some sort of scenario where Crosby, Malkin and Letang ride off into the sunset together with one more Stanley Cup raised above their heads?

The likelihood of that is astronomically low.

This was inevitable. It was just a question of when, but dynasties always end and they end with a whimper.

Sure, they'll try again next year, but they're not going to significantly invest assets to do it. They'll throw some money around in free agency, maybe make a calculated trade. But the odds are against them seriously making a run.
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Nobody has been seriously claiming that a coaching change would bring us the cup all season long, simply that trying so would be a better way to maximize this end era for all concerned-- Sid, the team, etc.

Instead, we're shackling ourselves to dumb coaching and making worse trades. I'm sure you won't agree, but don't try to paint people asking for a coaching change like they're nuts for not wanting to watch Sid and Geno and Letang waste their last seasons with a clearly dysfunctional bench.
 
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Tbh it depends on if Guentzel becomes a rental or not. I never believed any of the reports that came before the trade. None of these fugazi insiders had a clue, that’s why everyone is disappointed.

None of the proposals were making sense for a rental when you look back at them, clickbait.
 
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Tender Rip said:
If anyone told me, after we lost to the Caps in the 2nd round in 2018 following the back-to-back cups, that this would be the high water mark for the rest of Sid and Geno's time with the Pens....


....that we would not unearth or develop one single impact player over the next +5 years.
....that Sully would stay our coach through four 1st round exits and a miss, plus now 61 games in another playoff miss bound season...
....that we would let go of two GM's during that period and hire a well-established failure as a consequence of finally missing the playoffs....
..... that we would sign Erik Karlsson to do dump-ins and not have him lead the breakout/consistently join the rush....
.... that we would have Guentzel be our net-front presence ever since dealing Horny away, and see a still worsening PP for years, being directly responsible for several playoff outs and this season arguably for not making it in, and not think we needed a change there....
.... and that Sully is STILL here despite these top management changes and results....


Well. I would not have believed it.

The mismanagement is just epic.
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It's historic.
 
Turin said:
They got a guaranteed lottery protected pick two years in the future. Philly hasn’t even used that pick yet.
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Because they weren't living in never never land like Dubas and the Pens of thinking they can rebuild on the fly. Yet they're still doing better than us this year.

Like I said, Giroux also picked his spot and there were no other teams to negotiate with. He also lacks half the playoff/cup resume as Jake and was 4 years older.
 
SomeDude said:
Because they weren't living in never never land like Dubas and the Pens of thinking they can rebuild on the fly. Yet they're still doing better than us this year.

Like I said, Giroux also picked his spot and there were no other teams to negotiate with. He also lacks half the playoff/cup resume as Jake and was 4 years older.
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Florida is the Cup favourite this year. Their pick is worth nothing. This is such a reach.
 
DesertedPenguin said:
I'm serious. Do people really think there is some sort of scenario where Crosby, Malkin and Letang ride off into the sunset together with one more Stanley Cup raised above their heads?

The likelihood of that is astronomically low.

This was inevitable. It was just a question of when, but dynasties always end and they end with a whimper.

Sure, they'll try again next year, but they're not going to significantly invest assets to do it. They'll throw some money around in free agency, maybe make a calculated trade. But the odds are against them seriously making a run.
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Do you think there is some sort of scenario where Mike Sullivan hockey helps this team the rest of this year, or ever did at any point in 2023-2024?
 
Ryder71 said:
Morrow and Blake would have been fantastic! Instead we got moe, larry and Curly!
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Can you tell me why Morrow and Blake would be fantastic yet Koivunen and Ponowhatever is not? It seems like you have more knowledge than me on these players, I would like to know more.
 
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