GDT: Pens 2024 Trade Deadline Thread: Jake Shake Talk here

[Honour Over Glory]

If Sullivan is fired I will be floored.

I might legitimately cry tears of relief and joy.

 

[Come on]

Yup. Only using waivers as a tool to jumpstart this team while Crosby still got it is a fireable offense. What a waste of a season.

Agreed total shit show for Sid. What a kick to his sack.

 

[Ryder71]

If Sullivan is fired I will be floored.

You never thought Ruhwedel would be moved yet here we are.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Cap space also helps with making trades. It isn't just about making space for UFAs.

As in taking back bad contracts for picks/prospects? Surely you're not talking about an attempt to pull out of the nosedive this team's been in for years after it's already flaming wreckage in a crater.

 

[Icarium]

If he was trying to rebuild he’d have acquired a 2nd and a major prospect. He said that was basically available and they took the package that could help them win quicker.

I didn't say he was doing a good job. I am saying no one can actually be dumb enough to believe this trade made the team better in the here and now. It's an empty platitude.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Agreed total shit show for Sid. What a kick to his sack.

Crosby is in a tough spot - Geno and Letang extended because the assumption is Sid will as well and they'll happily shit all over the powerplay together into the sunset.

But now, who knows.

Again, the irony being Crosby is literally a huge fan of Mike Sullivan, the single biggest reason this team is in the current state its in is because of the coach the franchise cornerstone has a hard on for.

 

[Ryder71]

It amazes me just how little curiosity there is surrounding these prospects. IMO that's all we should discuss, that's all that matters. How good or how bad are they? I'm cautiously optmistic.

 

[Come on]

Cap space also helps with making trades. It isn't just about making space for UFAs.

Cap space is the major weapon in todays NHL.

 

[Kristopher Letang]

Sully is never getting fired. If he leaves it will be his decision. "I feel like I need a new challenge or a break to focus on my family" type of stuff.

 

[tom_servo]

And pictures of guys thinking they can’t remember if they locked the door because the lamps costed 5 cents, but it was worth it.

I can't look at a photo of Stephane Richer in a Pens uniform without thinking of your caption.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I didn't say he was doing a good job. I am saying no one can actually be dumb enough to believe this trade made the team better in the here and now. It's an empty platitude.

It got them assets for a bloke that didn't want to be here in the future. He had a NTC/NMC as well and his contract status made it hard as a rental, Dubas holding a tough line for what he wanted for Jake had teams drop out and that isn't a bad thing. To relent and take less for Jake just to spin a reunion narrative with JR in Vancouver or whatever, f*** that.

The deal with Carolina is fine.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Crosby is in a tough spot - Geno and Letang extended because the assumption is Sid will as well and they'll happily shit all over the powerplay together into the sunset.

But now, who knows.

Again, the irony being Crosby is literally a huge fan of Mike Sullivan, the single biggest reason this team is in the current state its in is because of the coach the franchise cornerstone has a hard on for.

I don't think Sid's some huge fan of Sullivan in the sense that he's made it known he would be unhappy if Sully was fired, or lobbied to keep him around. I think this team's too chickenshit to make the easy move *because* Sid's not said peep as they've been on this steady and steep decline.

It's not that Sid wants Sully here so much as all it'd take is Sid speaking up to have the coach replaced this afternoon. But Sid won't rock the boat because he's a robot, so here we are. Twiddling our thumbs until after the '26 Olympics because Sid wants one final shot at a gold with MacKinnon.

 

[Empoleon8771]

"The Penguins got 3 prospects I've never heard of instead of 1 prospect I have heard of for Guentzel, so Kyle Dubas had a terrible deadline!"

The impression I get from this thread is that a lot of people are mad for a lot of different reasons, so I really think there was no way Dubas was going to have a winning deadline in the eyes of people here. People are mad that they traded Guentzel instead of not extending him. People are mad that Dubas didn't target a well known prospect over more less known prospects. People are mad that Dubas didn't trade players for the sake of getting rid of them. People are mad at Dubas for not getting more value for the players he did trade.

I think this board as a whole is just mad at the state of this team, and people are just jumping at anything to show their displeasure. Even had Dubas pulled off an insane return like Morrow, Blake and a 1st for Guentzel, you'd still have people mad about the deadline.

 

[K Fleur]

I’ll never be able to muster up the patience to care about picks/prospects. Gonna be some rough years.

I hope Atlanta gets a team soon.

 

[Gurglesons]

It amazes me just how little curiosity there is surrounding these prospects. IMO that's all we should discuss, that's all that matters. How good or how bad are they? I'm cautiously optmistic.

They are 2nd round guys years out. They peak at complimentary top six / top nine guys and they are already on the clock.

They aren’t helping the rebuild and Kyle is clearly trying to make this team competitive in a few years.

We are the Ken Holland Red Wings when they thought Larkin, Tatar and Nyquist was their future.

 

[Ryder71]

Value wise, and in totality, it's more value then my vaunted Hoglander and a '25 1st for Jake.


Regarding the 2hd rounder, it's Phillys not CAR, so that could be five to six spots higher, maybe more.

 

[Mrs Crosby's Dryer]

The other scary reality regarding FA’s is what quality or impactful player would want to come here knowing that idiot Sullivan is your god emperor/coach?

Nothing changes until he is gone and that isn’t likely to happen until his still hasn’t kicked in yet extension is finished.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Sharks got what they needed in a Hertl deal, which was a ton of picks and a prospect. I don't think Kyle did a bad job at all with Guentzel. In Hertl's case - he isn't some bloke making it hard to re-sign him.

A key part in Dubas' presser is that they approached Guentzel in the off season and they didn't want to engage in Jake's camp. So really, Guentzel never planned to re-sign with the Penguins at all and Crosby being all sad about it means jack a shit when a bloke doesn't want to stay and has maintained it all season.

The deal is complete ass for the Sharks. They basically moved up 30 picks in 2 drafts and tied up a retention slot for 7 more years. At least go to 50% if you’re gonna go that long. f***ing nuts.

 

[molon labe]

"The Penguins got 3 prospects I've never heard of instead of 1 prospect I have heard of for Guentzel, so Kyle Dubas had a terrible deadline!"

The impression I get from this thread is that a lot of people are mad for a lot of different reasons, so I really think there was no way Dubas was going to have a winning deadline in the eyes of people here. People are mad that they traded Guentzel instead of not extending him. People are mad that Dubas didn't target a well known prospect over more less known prospects. People are mad that Dubas didn't trade players for the sake of getting rid of them. People are mad at Dubas for not getting more value for the players he did trade.

I think this board as a whole is just mad at the state of this team, and people are just jumping at anything to show their displeasure. Even had Dubas pulled off an insane return like Morrow, Blake and a 1st for Guentzel, you'd still have people mad about the deadline.

It was always going to be divided.

But if you're a seller - f***ing sell. Nobody was willing to throw a pick for Ned? Sure, if we had to retain on Smith that would have been a bad deal. Acciari/Eller? Nothing? Okay.

Just seems like Duber hasn't done a damn thing since last Summer - is forced into a situation with Jake, and took it. That's literally it. Team still blows and we haven't so far as fired the coach to say "we want better" -just status quo with a shit product. How is anyone supposed to feel about that?

 

[Empoleon8771]

It was always going to be divided.

But if you're a seller - f***ing sell. Nobody was willing to throw a pick for Ned? Sure, if we had to retain on Smith that would have been a bad deal. Acciari/Eller? Nothing? Okay.

Just seems like Duber hasn't done a damn thing since last Summer - is forced into a situation with Jake, and took it. That's literally it. Team still blows and we haven't so far as fired the coach to say "we want better" -just status quo with a shit product. How is anyone supposed to feel about that?

The market sucked and the only guy they won't be able to trade for value now is Nedjelkovic.

Smith, Eller and Acciari all have term left. If they want to trade them down the line, they still can.

 

[canadianguy77]

Again, the irony being Crosby is literally a huge fan of Mike Sullivan, the single biggest reason this team is in the current state its in is because of the coach the franchise cornerstone has a hard on for.

Again…just to reiterate, you don’t actually know if “Crosby is a literally a huge fan of Sullivan.” That’s stuff in your own head.

 

[Gurglesons]

It was always going to be divided.

But if you're a seller - f***ing sell. Nobody was willing to throw a pick for Ned? Sure, if we had to retain on Smith that would have been a bad deal. Acciari/Eller? Nothing? Okay.

Just seems like Duber hasn't done a damn thing since last Summer - is forced into a situation with Jake, and took it. That's literally it. Team still blows and we haven't so far as fired the coach to say "we want better" -just status quo with a shit product. How is anyone supposed to feel about that?

You think Empo would understand that when he is making the argument he is.

People are mad because there is no direction. There is no rhyme or reason to any of the moves Dubas has made.

You don’t trade your 1st for a 10 million dollar player, then do nothing all season while your team sucks ass, then trade your best forward for win now pieces at the deadline.

 

[SEALBound]

It was always going to be divided.

But if you're a seller - f***ing sell. Nobody was willing to throw a pick for Ned? Sure, if we had to retain on Smith that would have been a bad deal. Acciari/Eller? Nothing? Okay.

Just seems like Duber hasn't done a damn thing since last Summer - is forced into a situation with Jake, and took it. That's literally it. Team still blows and we haven't so far as fired the coach to say "we want better" -just status quo with a shit product. How is anyone supposed to feel about that?

I don't think they were necessarily a firm "seller". Not many teams sold off everything. Plenty of teams should have been sellers but only did 1-2 trades.

Dubas is still in the "do what makes sense now, do what makes sense later to make us a more competitive next year".

That doesn't mean selling everything for bad returns.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

The deal is complete ass for the Sharks. They basically moved up 30 picks in 2 drafts and tied up a retention slot for 7 more years. At least go to 50% if you’re gonna go that long. f***ing nuts.

The Hertl deal is ugly, we all waited to see how Grier would do in this TDL before the list of awful GM's was posted in the Main board and now we can all see he really does belong on that list.

 

[molon labe]

The market sucked and the only guy they won't be able to trade for value now is Nedjelkovic.

Smith, Eller and Acciari all have term left. If they want to trade them down the line, they still can.

For sure.

Aggrevation at this point is mostly around Sullivan. You fire him after that smackdown from the Caps (since it hasn't happened during the past 6 years of failure) and put an interim coach in there because you find missing playoffs for 2 straight seasons as unacceptable and want to send a message.

Annoyance is the lack of selling. Can only hold Ned against him. No freaking way there wasn't a pick out there for him.

And the pent up part that everyone feels is the utter lack of moves for this entire season wherein it's been a dumpster fire from practically week 1. How is that acceptable at all? Not even a middle 6 guy? Then today he sits up there and talks about next deadline type stuff. Whatever, we give him the Summer because we have no choices but to not fire Sullivan is asinine. Moreso than it's ever been (based on Dubas' tenure).