Salary Cap: Pens 2024 Summer Thread: "Thus, knocking us out of these superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow a non-playoff bound gap!"

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Nah @PensandCaps is right. Graves is much better offensively than he is defensively.

He's shit both ways, but he's definitely more of a offensive guy which is why he succeeded with Marino.

Banger.

 

[Gurglesons]

Banger.

Ryan Graves? I wish.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Nope. Big time Avs and Devils watcher.

Go ask any of those fan bases if he was good there.

@McJedi.

@ZachaFlockaFlame.

What did you guys thinking about your years with Graves?

All I remember from Graves' time in Colorado was his egregious giveaway to seal their playoff fate the year before they won their most recent Cup.

 

[eXile3]

I have hockey on from 4 - 10:30 most nights during the season.

I've had NHL package / ESPN + / Youtube.TV etc.

Also consistently watch the AHL when I can and regularly go to games out here.

Big hockey guy. Been to Pepsi Center multiple times.

That’s a lot. I watch games of interest on ESPN+ throughout the season but that’s like 7 until I’m ready to pass out.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1806773741562810767

First case of me saying "Dubas should have done that", don't know if Columbus would have traded him here but that's the exact kind of move he should be making.

Absolutely. Texier has more potential he can hit, the price was nothing, and the term is fantastic.

 

[Gurglesons]

That’s a lot. I watch games of interest on ESPN+ throughout the season but that’s like 7 until I’m ready to pass out.

Well, I need an excuse to ignore my child and wife.

All I remember from Graves' time in Colorado was his egregious giveaway to seal their playoff fate the year before they won their most recent Cup.

Ryan Graves was good in his time in Colorado because they were playing Patrick Nemeth over him.

Once they actually got NHL capable defensemen like Jack Johnson they could replace him.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Dude, how can you claim to be a proponent of process-over-results analysis

I don't need to make any claims. I've posted here for 7 years. Not my fault if regulars slept through it, have the memory of goldfish, or are so bored they lie to troll.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Well, I need an excuse to ignore my child and wife.



Ryan Graves was good in his time in Colorado because they were playing Patrick Nemeth over him.

Once they actually got NHL capable defensemen like Jack Johnson they could replace him.

I would pay to watch you trip on shrooms or acid after being on HF for a bit. You'd just see the faces of Sullivan, Dubas, Graves and Marino melting into and out of everything.

 

[Gurglesons]

I would pay to watch you trip on shrooms or acid after being on HF for a bit. You'd just see the faces of Sullivan, Dubas, Graves and Marino melting into and out of everything.

Last time I took acid I just watched Kid Rock's Woodstock 99 performance and chilled with a corgi.

Last thing I'm thinking about is the Penguins lol.

 

[MayorofWBS]

Well, I have alot to do this weekend. At least Kindergarten Kyle has my back by doing nothing so I don't have to waste my time here.

 

[Gurglesons]

Well, I have alot to do this weekend. At least Kindergarten Kyle has my back by doing nothing so I don't have to waste my time here.

It's going to be a very dissapointing off season.

But, you shoud be patient. It's only the day of the draft now!

 

[Factorial]

It should always be about term and NMC. They limit flexibility much more than the actual cost of the player.

Jake at 8x8 with a NMC means he calls the shots for the 8 years. He could do the Carter retirement tour and suck for the latter half of it and there’s nothing you can do.

I still think the trade was bad and uncreative.

They could still buy him out for last few years unless NMC prevents that from happening.

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

They could still buy him out for last few years unless NMC prevents that from happening.

As far as I know, the NMC just prevents the player from being placed on waivers prior to the buyout, a la the situation with Ryan Suter.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I hope we at least pick some guys with high ceilings in the draft. Best we can hope for is subtractions from this roster, the days of significant additions are well in the rear view. Hell, they got the reigning Norris winner who scored over 100pts and tried to turn him into Paul Martin, to embarrassing effect.

 

[Gurglesons]

I hope we at least pick some guys with high ceilings in the draft. Best we can hope for is subtractions from this roster, the days of significant additions are well in the rear view. Hell, they got the reigning Norris winner who scored over 100pts and tried to turn him into Paul Martin, to embarrassing effect.

Dubas' philosophy at drafting is typically high skill, high ceiling guys.

Hasn't worked out a ton, but at least his methodology is sound.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Dubas' philosophy at drafting is typically high skill, high ceiling guys.

Hasn't worked out a ton, but at least his methodology is sound.

Nothing really matters until this team's raking in those top-5, top-3 picks, but it'd be nice to fall bass ackwards into another Guentzel-esque hidden gem.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I hope we at least pick some guys with high ceilings in the draft. Best we can hope for is subtractions from this roster, the days of significant additions are well in the rear view. Hell, they got the reigning Norris winner who scored over 100pts and tried to turn him into Paul Martin, to embarrassing effect.

I miss the Pittsburgh Penguins that just went hellbent for offense even if they weren't winning much with that philosophy. I wish they'd go back to that. Like a 90s Penguins throwback... they might not even make the playoffs but it's at least going to be fun watching them miss.

That's maybe the worst part about all this. I can take the losing. We all knew it was coming. It's the flaccid, safe, inflexible and utterly tedious way in which they go about it. Meanwhile you have guys putting up like 140+ points in this league and we're over here pounding each other on the back because Bryan Rust managed like 55 points. It's embarrassing.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I miss the Pittsburgh Penguins that just went hellbent for offense even if they weren't winning much with that philosophy. I wish they'd go back to that. Like a 90s Penguins throwback... they might not even make the playoffs but it's at least going to be fun watching them miss.

That's maybe the worst part about all this. I can take the losing. We all knew it was coming. It's the flaccid, safe, inflexible and utterly tedious way in which they go about it. Meanwhile you have guys putting up like 140+ points in this league and we're over here pounding each other on the back because Bryan Rust managed like 55 points. It's embarrassing.

Yeah, I've said it a ton in recent years but wins and losses don't matter to me anymore cuz this team's got zero f***ing shot at making a real run of things, so as long as they play fun hockey, I'm in. Lose all 82 games, I don't care, but lose 'em 8-7 each night as opposed to this lame, anemic shit we've been forced to watch because the coach's tiny squirrel brain defaulted to "play 'em to a draw, zero risks, zero creativity". Baaaaarf

Maybe they don't have the horses to play a fun game of hockey with any regularity anymore, but f*** it, at least take off the leash and let 'em do their thing. Most of the time the only entertainment this team has to offer anymore is the chaotic, embarrassingly hilarious ways they manage to collapse and blow leads.

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

Yeah, I've said it a ton in recent years but wins and losses don't matter to me anymore cuz this team's got zero f***ing shot at making a real run of things, so as long as they play fun hockey, I'm in. Lose all 82 games, I don't care, but lose 'em 8-7 each night as opposed to this lame, anemic shit we've been forced to watch because the coach's tiny squirrel brain defaulted to "play 'em to a draw, zero risks, zero creativity". Baaaaarf

Mike Sullivan hockey, baby!

FSG hockey, too, apparently.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Yeah, I've said it a ton in recent years but wins and losses don't matter to me anymore cuz this team's got zero f***ing shot at making a real run of things, so as long as they play fun hockey, I'm in. Lose all 82 games, I don't care, but lose 'em 8-7 each night as opposed to this lame, anemic shit we've been forced to watch because the coach's tiny squirrel brain defaulted to "play 'em to a draw, zero risks, zero creativity". Baaaaarf

Low event hockey and the adulation of "advanced statistics" by coaching and management has been an absolute chore to witness. Listening to some guy who should probably be unloading trucks somewhere tell me that they feel good about losing because some metric said they SHOULD have scored at least 2.3 more goals that game makes me want to jump off a bridge.

 

[Tom Hanks]

I hope we at least pick some guys with high ceilings in the draft. Best we can hope for is subtractions from this roster, the days of significant additions are well in the rear view. Hell, they got the reigning Norris winner who scored over 100pts and tried to turn him into Paul Martin, to embarrassing effect.

This guy should be on our radar then

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

Low event hockey and the adulation of "advanced statistics" by coaching and management has been an absolute chore to witness. Listening to some guy who should probably be unloading trucks somewhere tell me that they feel good about losing because some metric said they SHOULD have scored at least 2.3 more goals that games makes me want to jump off a bridge.

Four lines that come at you in droves, forecheck the **** out of the defensive zone?

Nah, perimeter play that generates 40 low chance shots is the Pittsburgh way now.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

This guy should be on our radar then

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Gimme f***in' buttresses and vaulted ceilings. Some cathedral type shit.

 

[Tom Hanks]

Gimme f***in' buttresses and vaulted ceilings. Some cathedral type shit.

We don’t have the cap for that.

 

[Gurglesons]

Gimme f***in' buttresses and vaulted ceilings. Some cathedral type shit.