Salary Cap: Pens 2024 Summer Thread: "Thus, knocking us out of these superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow a non-playoff bound gap!"

[Gurglesons]

Korpisalo at $3 million, some no-name depth guy and a 1st for Ullmark. Yeah, those rumors about the return sucking for Boston ended up true

Although I'm a bit conflicted on Korpisalo at $3 million, the AAV there is fine but the term is terrible.

Kastelic is a decent forward. He’ll probably become a 15 goal 30 point guy in Ottawa.

 

[ThosePuckingPenguins]

I know there being no extension plays into it but getting back the 25th overall and a 3mx4 contract for a Vezina goalie is not great

Goalie trades are always wonky I feel like. Never know what you’re going to get in return.

 

[Darren McCord]

Boston should have move Ullmark a long time ago

 

[Empoleon8771]

Kastelic is a decent forward. He’ll probably become a 15 goal 30 point guy in Ottawa.

Yeah the return is basically the Markstrom return, but with Boston also taking back Korpisalo. Which is super weird to me, but maybe they view him as having some value as a $3 million 1B goalie.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Jesus. If Ottawa can get Ullmark while getting out from under Korpisalo, Dubas should be able to get a halfway decent return in exchange for Jarry.

 

[Darren McCord]

Kastelic is a decent forward. He’ll probably become a 15 goal 30 point guy in Ottawa.

Boston?

Also he’s 25 with 14 career nhl goals and never hit 15 in the AHL. He’s meh

 

[Sideline]

I can't tell if the market for Jarry is hot because even Korpisalo was traded or if the market for Jarry is terrible because Ulmark only brought back a late first stapled to Korpisalo...

 

[Malkinstheman]

Imagine if Detroit trades for Korpi for some reason and the market on Jarry dies. Might have to put Gurgles on the ignore list lol

 

[Pancakes]

I can't tell if the market for Jarry is hot because even Korpisalo was traded or if the market for Jarry is terrible because Ulmark only brought back a late first stapled to Korpisalo...

I've been saying all along that the return in a Jarry trade would be hot garbage. I want him moved mostly for the cap space that opens up in said move. That way Dubas can spend it on more garbage.

I believe me being right about the shit return for a goalie trade makes me 1 out of my last 200. Take *that* @Gurglesons.

 

[66-30-33]

Maybe Jarry to Sens at 4M to backup Ullmark?

 

[Empoleon8771]

The more I think about it from Boston's side, the more this deal seems solid for them. I personally think Korpisalo is ass and have been adamant about that, but I don't think it's a stretch to say that they can get a good performance out of him like they've gotten good performances out of so many other goalies in the past. The term is the part that really sucks, but the $3 million AAV isn't all that bad for a 1B goalie.

Before Ullmark played for Buffalo, he had a career 3.1 GSAA, he was basically the definition of an average goalie. On Boston? He had a 72.8 GSAA in just 13 more games played. If they can improve Korpisalo by a similar amount as they improved Ullmark (so not make him a Vezina goalie, just have his improvement total be similar), Korpisalo seems like he'd be a good 1B goalie.

Imagine if Detroit trades for Korpi for some reason and the market on Jarry dies. Might have to put Gurgles on the ignore list lol

I think Boston actually wants Korpisalo as their backup/1B goalie. They have a terrific track record of getting great results out of goalies, so it's hard to criticize their thinking.

 

[Gurglesons]

Boston?

Also he’s 25 with 14 career nhl goals and never hit 15 in the AHL. He’s meh

Yeah Boston. Sorry.

He’s just the type like AJ Greer that Boston will somehow make an effective player

 

[Pancakes]

The more I think about it from Boston's side, the more this deal seems solid for them. I personally think Korpisalo is ass and have been adamant about that, but I don't think it's a stretch to say that they can get a good performance out of him like they've gotten good performances out of so many other goalies in the past. The term is the part that really sucks, but the $3 million AAV isn't all that bad for a 1B goalie.

Before Ullmark played for Buffalo, he had a career 3.1 GSAA, he was basically the definition of an average goalie. On Boston? He had a 72.8 GSAA in just 13 more games played. If they can improve Korpisalo by a similar amount as they improved Ullmark (so not make him a Vezina goalie, just have his improvement total be similar), Korpisalo seems like he'd be a good 1B goalie.



I think Boston actually wants Korpisalo as their backup/1B goalie. They have a terrific track record of getting great results out of goalies, so it's hard to criticize their thinking.

Yeah going from Boston's system to whatever the hell you want to call the way Ottawa plays defense is sure to be interesting for Ullmark. About to see how good he actually is I guess.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

I can't tell if the market for Jarry is hot because even Korpisalo was traded or if the market for Jarry is terrible because Ulmark only brought back a late first stapled to Korpisalo...

None of the goalies were going to bring back huge returns. Markstrom is 34. Ullmark is going into the final year of his contract, is 30 years old, and has been pretty bad in the playoffs. Korpisalo was atrocious last year and has a cumbersome contract. And Jarry has a lengthy contract and question marks about his consistency, especially late in the season and in the playoffs.

The benefit to trading Jarry isn't the return, but the potential overall flexibility you get.

 

[Gurglesons]

Jesus. If Ottawa can get Ullmark while getting out from under Korpisalo, Dubas should be able to get a halfway decent return in exchange for Jarry.

lol. Okay.

 

[Sideline]

The more I think about it from Boston's side, the more this deal seems solid for them. I personally think Korpisalo is ass and have been adamant about that, but I don't think it's a stretch to say that they can get a good performance out of him like they've gotten good performances out of so many other goalies in the past. The term is the part that really sucks, but the $3 million AAV isn't all that bad for a 1B goalie.

Before Ullmark played for Buffalo, he had a career 3.1 GSAA, he was basically the definition of an average goalie. On Boston? He had a 72.8 GSAA in just 13 more games played. If they can improve Korpisalo by a similar amount as they improved Ullmark (so not make him a Vezina goalie, just have his improvement total be similar), Korpisalo seems like he'd be a good 1B goalie.

Korpisalo is awful. If Boston is so confident they can rebuild struggling goalies they could sign basically any UFA for less money and term than Korpisalo.

Rare Senators W unless they sign Ullmark to something stupid like 7x7.

 

[Gurglesons]

Yeah going from Boston's system to whatever the hell you want to call the way Ottawa plays defense is sure to be interesting for Ullmark. About to see how good he actually is I guess.

Ullmark was good in Buffalo. The issue is he can’t handle 50-60.

 

[Darren McCord]

Yeah Boston. Sorry.

He’s just the type like AJ Greer that Boston will somehow make an effective player

I could see it because it’s Boston but I think he’s pretty meh overall. Still Boston screwed this hanging onto ullmark so long.

 

[Gurglesons]

Yeah the return is basically the Markstrom return, but with Boston also taking back Korpisalo. Which is super weird to me, but maybe they view him as having some value as a $3 million 1B goalie.

Maybe they are potentially moving him too.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Yeah, I think the environment will make a world of difference for Korpisalo. I also think Ullmark may struggle. As much as it pains me to say it since they're my most hated team in the league, the Bruins organization is several tiers above the Senators org in every way.

 

[Darren McCord]

Ullmark was good in Buffalo. The issue is he can’t handle 50-60.

Neither can Jarry so they should probably get both

 

[DesertedPenguin]

lol. Okay.

By halfway decent, I mean something marginally useful without being tied to a completely burdensome piece of dead weight. As frustrating as he is, Jarry is better than Korpisalo by several levels.

 

[Pancakes]

Ullmark was good in Buffalo. The issue is he can’t handle 50-60.

That's true it's just that Ottawa makes Mike Sullivan look like a Patrice Bergeron level defensive genius. Ottawa really really can't defend.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Korpisalo is awful. If Boston is so confident they can rebuild struggling goalies they could sign basically any UFA for less money and term than Korpisalo.

Rare Senators W unless they sign Ullmark to something stupid like 7x7.

Korpisalo was really, really good in 2022-2023, though. He finished with a 12.7 GSAx in only 39 games, which was 11th best in the NHL.

I tend to agree with you in that they could take that same risk with someone like Samsonov, but I understand the thought process that Boston is going through here.

 

[Gurglesons]

By halfway decent, I mean something marginally useful without being tied to a completely burdensome piece of dead weight. As frustrating as he is, Jarry is better than Korpisalo by several levels.

Or the returns are so bad, Boston had to settle on what they got to move on from Ullmark?

Nobody is trading for Jarry. There isn’t even a team that makes sense for him to be traded to with LA, NJ, and OTT all filling in their spots.