Salary Cap: Pens 2024 Summer Thread: "Thus, knocking us out of these superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow a non-playoff bound gap!"

[Jag68Sid87]

Oh yeah then I agree entirely, I thought you meant like putting Poulin or Ponomarev in that 3C spot right now.

If they earn it, sure. Why not?

Yager should get the first nine games, though.

 

[Empoleon8771]

XXXXX-Crosby-Rakell
Bunting-Malkin-Rust
O'Connor-XXXXX-Smith
Ponomarev-Eller-Puustinen
Acciari-Puljujarvi

POJ-Letang
Pettersson-Karlsson
Graves-St. Ivany
Kral

Jarry-Blomqvist

You have roughly $10 million in cap space with this setup while needing a 1LW and a 3C. If they trade Smith, that opens up a 3rd line RW position and puts you at $15 million in cap space. Going cheap on defense with POJ on Letang's pair is something I'm a bit uncomfortable with, but at the same time, it really does give them a lot of flexibility at forward. Same thing with Blomqvist as the backup, I hope they would run with Jarry and Blomqvist as a platoon if they'd go with this setup.

The lineup I posted above with Mangiapane at LW and Colton at 3C gets the Penguins barely cap compliant, they'd likely be at less than $300k in cap space after that.

 

[HandshakeLine]

What hockey player is going to admit that he and the rest of the team's core are probably too old to make the playoffs?

They could totally make the playoffs if they changed their style. They missed by a single point two years running. The point is that they don’t think they need to make changes, and I include Sid in that, because he could force changes in the style of play if he wanted.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

If they earn it, sure. Why not?

Yager should get the first nine games, though.

If he has a good training camp I think there is a really good shot he can make the team.

I am really pulling for Pono or Poulin to take the 4C slot.

Some are hunting for that 3C and I will accept if either go to the wing.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

XXXXX-Crosby-Rakell
Bunting-Malkin-Rust
O'Connor-XXXXX-Smith
Ponomarev-Eller-Puustinen
Acciari-Puljujarvi

POJ-Letang
Pettersson-Karlsson
Graves-St. Ivany
Kral

Jarry-Blomqvist

You have roughly $10 million in cap space with this setup while needing a 1LW and a 3C. If they trade Smith, that opens up a 3rd line RW position and puts you at $15 million in cap space. Going cheap on defense with POJ on Letang's pair is something I'm a bit uncomfortable with, but at the same time, it really does give them a lot of flexibility at forward. Same thing with Blomqvist as the backup, I hope they would run with Jarry and Blomqvist as a platoon if they'd go with this setup.

The lineup I posted above with Mangiapane at LW and Colton at 3C gets the Penguins barely cap compliant, they'd likely be at less than $300k in cap space after that.

In your lineup, I would be adding Stamkos to the first line, and then trading Smith to LA for Kaliyev. I also would NOT add a center and would trade Eller to Buffalo for a late pick or two.

Have everybody in the bottom six battle it out in camp, save for one guy.

If he has a good training camp I think there is a really good shot he can make the team.

I am really pulling for Pono or Poulin to take the 4C slot.

Some are hunting for that 3C and I will accept if either go to the wing.

I think Poulin can go to the wing, yeah. Ponomarev's skill set is probably best maximized at center. IF all the reports on him are accurate.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Trade idea I wonder if Dubas would go for: acquire Cirelli for a very likely reduced price

Penguins fill the 3C role now and eventual 2C replacement for Malkin with Cirelli. Tampa gets out of a huge long-term deal (7 years at $6.25 million) and also gives them the cap space to re-sign Stamkos.

I'd even be willing to give up one of the Penguins 2nds for Cirelli if they'd go for it.

 

[SEALBound]

I kinda got the impression that they wouldn't do much with the defense based on Dubas saying that he planned on re-signing POJ and Kral would compete with Ludvig for the last D spot in the NHL. Kinda doesn't leave any open spots if you do that, you're pretty much set with:

POJ-Letang
Pettersson-Karlsson
Graves-St. Ivany
Kral/Ludvig

From the article, this is what it sounds like it will be. If POJ gets a bridge and continues his play from the last month of the season, I'm okay with this. You also can give the opportunity to Graves to be better

Also reported nobody on either side is concerned about a Crosby extension and that he’ll get what he wants.

This is something we know is coming but no one has talked about. Do we know what he wants? I can't imagine NOW is when Sid decides to turn the screws on the team. I assumed he'd be going for the $8.7mil deal again for the 3-4 year extension but other suggested something in the 10s. While he's earned that, both Geno and Letang took less. Wonder what he comes in at if his goal is truly another playoff run.

 

[Empoleon8771]

In your lineup, I would be adding Stamkos to the first line, and then trading Smith to LA for Kaliyev. I also would NOT add a center and would trade Eller to Buffalo for a late pick or two.

Have everybody in the bottom six battle it out in camp, save for one guy.

I'd rather take Cirelli off of Tampa's hands to let them re-sign Stamkos tbh.

Mangiapane-Crosby-Rust
Bunting-Malkin-Rakell
O'Connor-Cirelli-Roslovic
Ponomarev-Eller-Puustinen
Acciari-Puljujarvi

I think this forward group would be cap compliant, if you move Smith for Mangiapane and other futures for Cirelli.

 

[SEALBound]

Trade idea I wonder if Dubas would go for: acquire Cirelli for a very likely reduced price

Penguins fill the 3C role now and eventual 2C replacement for Malkin with Cirelli. Tampa gets out of a huge long-term deal (7 years at $6.25 million) and also gives them the cap space to re-sign Stamkos.

I'd even be willing to give up one of the Penguins 2nds for Cirelli if they'd go for it.

That would really change the dynamics of the roster. While it makes sense to run him on the "3rd line" I think that would be a Brassard situation where if you make a guy 3C and give him 3rd line wings with 3rd line ice time, don't complain when he produces like a 3C.

The other options are: 1. Make him 2RW / 2C and have him and Malkin rotate based on situations. 2. Do the 2016 thing where you have 3 solid scoring lines.

Mangiapane-Sid-Rust
Bunting-Malkin-Yager/Pono/Koivunen/Smith Trade
DOC-Cirelli-Rakell
Puljujarvi-Eller-Acciari (as your heavy defensive match up line).

You then run them at 17/15/15/13 per 60.

Maybe you can take Mikheyev and get a 2nd for it in exchange for Smith and then send the 2nd and maybe Puustinen or Pono to TBL for Cirelli.

If you can create what amounts to a 3rd mismatch with the team you are playing, we might be able to pull it off as per what HBK was able to do.

In the article though it said Dubas is liking Sid-Geno-Eller-Acciari down the middle which suggests the overall philosophy of team structure won't change so honestly, I'm not even how how important it is to even make these trades.

 

[OnMyOwn]

From the article, this is what it sounds like it will be. If POJ gets a bridge and continues his play from the last month of the season, I'm okay with this. You also can give the opportunity to Graves to be better

This is something we know is coming but no one has talked about. Do we know what he wants? I can't imagine NOW is when Sid decides to turn the screws on the team. I assumed he'd be going for the $8.7mil deal again for the 3-4 year extension but other suggested something in the 10s. While he's earned that, both Geno and Letang took less. Wonder what he comes in at if his goal is truly another playoff run.

I think he’ll do 8.7, which will actually be like a 5 million dollar raise over what he’s made cash wise the last couple years. His last contract was front loaded so he’s making “peanuts” right now.

Or he uses that to say he’s owed money based on his play and asks for more than the 8.7. I just don’t know why he’d strap the team as a 37/38 year old.

 

[SEALBound]

I think he’ll do 8.7, which will actually be like a 5 million dollar raise over what he’s made cash wise the last couple years. His last contract was front loaded so he’s making “peanuts” right now.

Or he uses that to say he’s owed money based on his play and asks for more than the 8.7. I just don’t know why he’d strap the team as a 37/38 year old.

That was my general thought as well. I could see a mere extension of $8.7mil. I could see $8,787,878.78. I could even see $6.87mil to put himself in line with Letang and Geno.

 

[Empoleon8771]

In the article though it said Dubas is liking Sid-Geno-Eller-Acciari down the middle which suggests the overall philosophy of team structure won't change so honestly, I'm not even how how important it is to even make these trades.

How the hell is this team going to make their depth better if they seem to like everything and won't make changes

 

[SEALBound]

How the hell is this team going to make their depth better if they seem to like everything and won't make changes

Smith out, Wahlstrom in

The article did go a little against what Dubas said earlier about him and Sully doing a 2 offensive lines 2 defensive line combo and it not working. He also mentioned that Eller was available and got no interest. So part of me say that they ARE open to changes. So who knows, this article could have been lip service to the current roster.

We are indeed at a point though where they have to start moving roster players if they want changes. I like Eller more than Acciari but Dubas loves him, then Eller it is. Nieto shouldn't play another game for us. I question Puustinen's overall impact. Smith should be gone. And I think you need a 1LW even though DOC was decent there. But if you want him at 3LW, you need to send out Smith.

Just hard to know what's going on behind the scenes vs what Dubas says in public.

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Take the Toronto route:

Sign Jake $8mil x 7yrs.

Jake-Sid-Rust
Bunting-Malkin-Rakell
Smith-Eller-Puustinen
DOC-Acciari-Puljujarvi

POJ-Letang
Pettersson-EK
Graves-JSI

Jarry-Matt Murray

That's nearly right in line with them bringing Sully-clone Quinn.

Easy, peasy off-season boys. Enjoy the sun while you can...cause October its gonna be dark.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

If you are trying to build "more depth" why are you trading Reilly Smith who was just a 3rd liner on a cup winner a year ago. As per usual, Yohe makes no sense and sounds like a clown.

Because you can trade Smith and replace him with someone who is younger and/or a better fit.

 

[Gurglesons]

Because you can trade Smith and replace him with someone who is younger and/or a better fit.

in ufa? good luck.

Ned re-signed. Further proof Yohe is a f***ing trash hole.

 

[SEALBound]

in ufa? good luck.

Ned re-signed. Further proof Yohe is a f***ing trash hole.

Why did you need "further proof"?

 

[DesertedPenguin]

in ufa? good luck.

Ned re-signed. Further proof Yohe is a f***ing trash hole.

Yes, free agency is the only way to improve a team. Nailed it.

Pens are doomed. Everyone sucks. Sullivan and Dubas are spawns of Satan.

That better?

 

[Gurglesons]

Yes, free agency is the only way to improve a team. Nailed it.

Pens are doomed. Everyone sucks. Sullivan and Dubas are spawns of Satan.

That better?

Yes.

 

[SEALBound]

Something around Jarry for Mangiapane makes a lot of sense for both teams right now. I think you can add to each side to bolster a lot of holes.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Smith out and Mangiapane in would make the team more competitive.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Stoked for another season of dogshit positional defense and nonexistent board work. Can’t wait to see us ineffectually defend the crease and lethargically skate the puck out, only to lose it at center red.

 

[Sideline]

Something around Jarry for Mangiapane makes a lot of sense for both teams right now. I think you can add to each side to bolster a lot of holes.

Smith out and Mangiapane in would make the team more competitive.

I really liked what I saw from Mangiapane at the world's. If we could do Jarry for him and punt Smith for a 3rd or whatever I'd be pleased.

 

[SEALBound]

I really liked what I saw from Mangiapane at the world's. If we could do Jarry for him and punt Smith for a 3rd or whatever I'd be pleased.

Jarry+Smith ($1.5mil ret) for Mangiapane+Vlader might make sense.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Sid getting 10+ IMO

no problem with the Pens bolstering wings in theory bc you get better teammates for Pono or Yager or whoever. Similar to Dallas kind of. Push Eller to 4C and Acciari to wing.

Idk that it would actually be the case in practice though.

 

[Sideline]

Jarry+Smith ($1.5mil ret) for Mangiapane+Vlader might make sense.

I'd do that deal.