Salary Cap: Pens 2024 Summer Thread: "Thus, knocking us out of these superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow a non-playoff bound gap!"
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Father time is undefeated. I feel like it just "happens one day". One day you just look in the mirror and poof...grays in hair. Then poof...grays in beard. Then poof... receding. Then poof...crowsfeet. Then poof...well that was a crack and it didn't feel good...and you did nothing to earn it.
Is that just speculation based on Skinner shitting the bed last night? Or was there something to that?
Skinner isn't even their biggest issue. They have one line - Hyman-McDavid-Drai and two dmen - Ekholm and Bouchard. That's it. Everything else is trash. Kane and RNH are okay secondary pieces and McLoud and Holloway may get there one day but that is a one line team. And Draisaitl is shitting the bed. It's a one man team. Looking at their CF for next year, it is f***ing grim. I'd be trying to work a trash-for-trash deal for Nurse any way I could.
I think they like Rust though. I imagine there's a bit of "well we traded Jake away, we need to keep Rust for Sid". Unless we get one or two of these young kids up and they become the new Jake. Would be a god send if they try something like DOC-Crosby-Yager in camp and it takes off like a rocket to the moon because that would open up the door to a Rust trade. And I do think there's a market for him.
Rakell I can go either way on. One thing I always try to keep in mind with Rakell is how often his on-ice contributions lead to goals but his name doesn't end up on the scoresheet. That happens relatively frequently. His forecheck or a small play here and there set the play in motion, someone scores, but he would be getting the "tertiary assist". So while I would love to see more on the scoresheet from him, I have more patience with it than with others. That said, his goal scoring drought this past season was one for the ages...but it most certainly wasn't for lack of trying. He's Perron at the moment. Perron wasn't terrible for us and I liked having him here but if we can send him out and bring back a guy like Hagelin that sparks the roster in a more positive way, I'm game.
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I was playing around with CapFriendly and the armchair GM stuff seeing how we could build a better roster and I got to thinking - when I said "hey, maybe Laine!" and people said "something something powerplay!" and I said "yeah, a PP specialist would be BOMB right now!" and then everyone clapped - it kind of donned on me on how careful we should be about making roster changes to boost the powerplay. We were a really good 5v5 team. Sid had a great 5v5 year. When I look at a team like the Rangers (and even Edmonton), they are powerplay merchants. Come playoff time, you need that solid 5v5 play. Whoever we add, it should be a boost to both. The more I think about it, the more guys like Laine and Stammer make little sense for us.
HandshakeLine
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Rust will never be traded, lol. He's gonna be a lifer with this team.
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Just throwing
at the wall. I know he lives there and he’s a more solid goalie than Skinner.If we are trading Jarry I imagine it’s only2 reasons:
1. To get a substantial upgrade
2. a younger cheap AAV goalie so we can spend cap elsewhere.
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I would potentially be okay with using him as an upgrade piece, taking a bad piece back if it helps us get out of another bad piece. As mentioned above: Ceci+Skinner for Jarry+Graves.Just throwing
If we are trading Jarry I imagine it’s only2 reasons:
1. To get a substantial upgrade
2. a younger cheap AAV goalie so we can spend cap elsewhere.
I actually think that's a trade that makes sense for both sides.
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Jokes on you I been bald since I was 20, so bald I keep it unlike Geno.
Can't speak for my beard though...some grey.
KrisLetAngry
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I would take the chance on Laine if we cod send cap back ourselves.
2 years with a winger that can snipe. I would put his Right Winger ass beside Malkin.
Burning on the LW.
Bunting going to be the Hyman on that line.
That line would have to be semi protected in giving more offensive zone draws though but I could see a lot of production.
I would be treating Laine like a UFA acquisition and not giving assets up.
2 years with a winger that can snipe. I would put his Right Winger ass beside Malkin.
Burning on the LW.
Bunting going to be the Hyman on that line.
That line would have to be semi protected in giving more offensive zone draws though but I could see a lot of production.
I would be treating Laine like a UFA acquisition and not giving assets up.
Rust may command a return that helps the roster going forward. My premise is the "all in" even extending SID, will give way for youth and those elements of the roster, Dubas is not in the rebuild mode but asset management from here. Move Smith draft day and get cap space. While cap space doesn't carry over like the NFL, not spending does. I do see a healthy Rakell, Letang and adding Bunting, an improving DOC and ST Ivany at 3rd pairing RD is the beginning of the end. Jarry, Graves have to play better this year. I think they will. But Rust with a good year will be a player that can bring assets back. Not projecting as much as Dubas has to find a way to deepen the prospect pool here and will have to move some assets of value.. Plus Geno mau have one good year with Bunting and Rakell and then now you need a Broz, Yager Ponomorev to compete for center space after this year.
HandshakeLine
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I think the difference is, the coach and GM love Rust more than just Sid.
I dunno, nothing has made me hate a player more than to watch a Rust heralded as this future HHOF by the team. I mean, it's annoying enough to watch him turn into a bland perimeter player 65% of the year who disappears when we absolutely need him (along with the rest of the team tbf), but it's even more annoying to be told that this is the absolute soul of Penguins hockey.
3. They don’t trust him, and his contract is a lot to pay a goalie you don’t trust to play well when it counts…if the team really wanted Jarry back and just thought they were riding the hot hand to end the season, then why didn’t he at least play the last meaningless game of the season? Regardless of what Dubas says publicly to not tank his value, Jarry is on the block…Just throwing
If we are trading Jarry I imagine it’s only2 reasons:
1. To get a substantial upgrade
2. a younger cheap AAV goalie so we can spend cap elsewhere.
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I think they'd move Jarry if they could find a deal that made sense for them to go for, but they're not going to move him for the sake of moving him.
I do not think Nedjelkovic will be retained and the UFA goalie class sucks this year. I think they may want to move Jarry, but they're not going to rush into doing it just for the sake of trading him.
I do not think Nedjelkovic will be retained and the UFA goalie class sucks this year. I think they may want to move Jarry, but they're not going to rush into doing it just for the sake of trading him.
The issue is moving his contract…if they can move his contract and they have a plan in place for the goaltending, they will trade him
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My point is that they likely won't be able to do this with how awful the UFA goalie market is.
The UFA class is so bad this year that the absolute best tandem they could get is Talbot and Nedjelkovic, and that's them pulling off both of the best goalies in the class. I'm not saying that's an unacceptable option, but that's the best case scenario with them getting lucky and pulling off the 2 best UFA goalies this summer.
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I think the difference is, the coach and GM love Rust more than just Sid.
I dunno, nothing has made me hate a player more than to watch a Rust heralded as this future HHOF by the team. I mean, it's annoying enough to watch him turn into a bland perimeter player 65% of the year who disappears when we absolutely need him (along with the rest of the team tbf), but it's even more annoying to be told that this is the absolute soul of Penguins hockey.
Rust seems like a non issue. He got on the scoresheet 2 out of every 3 games and scored 28 goals/28 assists in 62 games for a cap hit of $5.125 mil.
If that’s a problem then …. …..
They trust him but they play him too much. From the start of the season things would go better if they didn’t overload him with games.
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I think you move Jarry BECAUSE the UFA market isn't very good, so other teams will be desperate and overpay if they feel they need an upgrade.
Pens' success this season likely won't change much whether Jarry's the goalie or whether Talbot/Skinner/Whoever cheap free agent they sign is the goalie. So might as well swindle some other team while they can.
Empoleon8771
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They're not going to shoot themselves in the foot and not have a legitimate goalie tandem for next year just so they can sell high on Jarry. That's just not how they operate.
If they can get a Talbot-Nejdelkovic kind of tandem, I think they'd do it. But they're not going to hurt themselves with an awful goalie situation just to sell Jarry this off-season.
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I don't know about that. I think Jarry's contract is a market contract. I don't see another being able to sign an equivalent Tristan Jarry for less money or term or at least lower enough for it be significant. Maybe a 5x5 for a 6x4 or a 4x6. As Emp pointed out, the goalie market just isn't that good. You're not going to find high-performing, solid historic stats goalies on the open market and sign them for a value contract. Your best bet is to either trade for one, like Jarry, or hold your breath on a guy like Neds (last year) and hope he rebounds.
Now more than ever, internal development of goalies is important.
Unless they can get someone in the mold of who Dubas wants to be brining in. For example, if NJD comes back and offers Holtz, I think Dubas does it and pivots to Neds immediately and then looks for a Talbot or Raanta on the FA market.
But you're right, I don't think some random team offering a 2nd is the kind of deal they make. At least not one without having other plans in the works.
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I think that’s gotta be a bad haircut … I don’t remember him looking that way back near the end of the season… unless of course the stress of the offseason got to him
Jag68Sid87
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I think this applies to Laine, but not Stamkos. I hear what you are saying, and this is a point to be reflected upon. But I don't think our roster is in danger of suddenly turning into PP specialists everywhere.
Case in point, we currently have Bryan Rust as a first-line RW, first-unit PP member and first-unit PK member. That is a lot.
If you sign Stammer, you immediately move Rust to PP2. And you could conceivably change the lines up as well. Stammer is also a nice fallback option at center if you decide to go three veteran centers deep. Or insurance in case none of the C prospects are ready to take that third C role.
The more I think about, Laine does not make sense as you say. But Stammer is a different beast imo. All day, every day, if available.
Empoleon8771
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How many of those guys are available? Because the Penguins will presumably want 2 of those guys if they're running with a platoon setup. They're not going to run with something like Nedjelkovic-Blomqvist to start next year.
Like I said above, if they can get something like a Talbot-Nedjelkovic goalie duo, I think they would do it. But they're not going to go into next year with Nedjelkovic-Blomqvist or Nedjelkovic-some random UFA backup.
It's shooting yourself in the foot if you can't get another goalie who can give you 30+ games of solid goaltending play. In UFA this year, there just isn't many of those kind of goalies available.
Gurglesons
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I honestly don't care. The goaltending position is so violatile getting out of Jarry's contract without taking anything back is a huge win for me.
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