Line Combos: Pens 2022-2023 Training Camp thread: Its happenings

[Goalie_Bob]

NHL starts the 7th.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

I don't really care too much about losing Zoho to waivers, or POJ in a trade/waivers. It's questionable asset management, but you're looking at like 4th rounders for either of these guys, probably. It's not like Hextall's missing out on prime assets or anything.

We weren't getting a 4th rounder for Zohorna if that's what your trying to say

 

[Flying Dego]

We weren't getting a 4th rounder for Zohorna if that's what your trying to say

Ya, teams won't pay for players in his role. They just watch the waivers. At best a guy like him would fetch a 7th...

His value was to our team with his versatility. If he would have shown he was a regular this year then his value wouldve climbed.

 

[Peat]

Yeah same, but they'd need to waive a forward and I'm not sure they'd waive Archibald.

Well who knows what they're thinking, but Poehling screams waiver claim, if I give them any credit for intelligence I think they can't do it

 

[Andy99]

NHL starts the 7th.

No it doesn’t…preseason runs thru Oct 8 except they’re counting the Preds-Sharks in Prague over the weekend as first RS games…nothing else counts before Oct 11…

 

[Gurglesons]

No it doesn’t…preseason runs thru Oct 8 except they’re counting the Preds-Sharks in Prague over the weekend as first RS games…nothing else counts before Oct 11…

Sharks play on Friday which is the 7th.

 

[Shrimper]

I really don't get why the season isn't starting on the 8th

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Pretty sure Andy addressed it, but the NHL is doing some goofy stuff with the European games and the "start" of the season.

CapFriendly has the final rosters due at the end of the day on the 10th. First full day would be the 11th, like Andy said. CF is pretty much always right.

Likely going to have a "grace" period for the teams that are starting early in Europe. All teams will have the same amount of days in the season. It's just that the Sharks (etc) will start early, have a break, and then start back up.

edit to add: https://cms.nhl.bamgrid.com/images/assets/binary/334829346/binary-file/file.pdf

Yeah, looks like Nashville & SJ will have their rosters due a few days early. Then they play on the 7th and 8th. Those two days count. And then they're off til the 13th/14th. I'm assuming their rosters aren't counted for a few days between the 8th and 13/14.

 

[Darren McCord]

Mm maybe today you're right - although that list is very position and skillset dependent - but the thing about a prediction of "at some point through the season" is you're also looking at predicted development and right now Poulin looks to be on a real steep curve with the highest ceiling of any of that five. I think it's possible he really shakes up that ordering pretty quick.

I dunno about him sticking as I think he might be a centre only which complicates things but I am really intrigued by his progress.

I think he is best at center. So realistically this is the pecking order for the Centers.

Sid
Malkin
Carter
TB
Poehling
DOC
Poulin

Unless Poulin blows the doors off at a ppg he isnt coming up anytime soon. DOC has been a PPG in the AHL and will be the first call up. I bet Hallander is next

I cannot see us running 12F 8D. We run through injuries too often up front to risk that with such an old group...

Archibald is a lock and I don't see them waiving losing Poehling after Big Z...they need him as a C backup.

It'll be a 13F 7D ...just how we get there is the question

Friedman could be a wing. You move POJ or waive Ruh. The other is number 7.
Friedman is number 8 dmen/13th winger

 

[Flying Dego]

Friedman could be a wing. You move POJ or waive Ruh. The other is number 7.
Friedman is number 8 dmen/13th winger

I'm not doubting this but you're not looking at my reasoning.

Archibald is on this team for his PK and whatever ability. Poehling as well due to his Center ability. Which guy would they waive? I don't see it. That's why I'm saying its 13F until proven otherwise.

 

[Darren McCord]

I'm not doubting this but you're not looking at my reasoning.

Archibald is on this team for his PK and whatever ability. Poehling as well due to his Center ability. Which guy would they waive? I don't see it. That's why I'm saying its 13F until proven otherwise.

OO i get what your saying. I would waive Archibald. I think he is the easiest to replace of the bunch. Thats just my opinion tho. Hallander and DOC could both come up and fill his spot.

to pk you have

TB
Carter
Rust
McGinn
Kap
Poehling

You can survive without archibald. I know they wont wave him tho

 

[Flying Dego]

OO i get what your saying. I would waive Archibald. I think he is the easiest to replace of the bunch. Thats just my opinion tho. Hallander and DOC could both come up and fill his spot.

to pk you have

TB
Carter
Rust
McGinn
Kap
Poehling

You can survive without archibald. I know they wont wave him tho

Right. I would 100% waive Archibald. But my belief in the org doing that is very low.

 

[Sidgeni Malkby]

I don't really care too much about losing Zoho to waivers, or POJ in a trade/waivers. It's questionable asset management, but you're looking at like 4th rounders for either of these guys, probably. It's not like Hextall's missing out on prime assets or anything.

I think part of our frustration is not having any young guys make the team. Of course that precludes the reality that maybe none of them deserve to.

Emotions run deep .

 

[Flying Dego]

Basically the team got caught with their pants down trying to be slick sliding Big Z through waivers. They made an error no doubt one they didn't anticipate.

So now they're left with only Poehling in terms of definitive NHL center reserves. Poulin is looking good but still not seasoned.

The Archibald comments and general team workings I can't see them waiving him either.

Hextall is obviously working hard to figure out what to do about the D. So I think he's set it at here's our 13F...now how do we keep our Dmen or not lose them for nothing?

 

[Gurglesons]

Basically the team got caught with their pants down trying to be slick sliding Big Z through waivers. They made an error no doubt one they didn't anticipate.

So now they're left with only Poehling in terms of definitive NHL center reserves. Poulin is looking good but still not seasoned.

The Archibald comments and general team workings I can't see them waiving him either.

Hextall is obviously working hard to figure out what to do about the D. So I think he's set it at here's our 13F...now how do we keep our Dmen or not lose them for nothing?

We have DOC who is waiver exempt and plays C. Poulin and Caggs. Not to mention Rakell has played C in the NHL.

 

[Darren McCord]

Hextall back in some in a corner but making a few too many duplicate moves.

Getting both
Heinen and Kap

Both
Poehling and archibald

You could live with one of each of those and have been fine in terms of capspace. It just seems like they didn’t have actual faith in Zohorna, Doc, hallander or anyone else

 

[Jacob]

Yeah this team never saw Zohorna as a center, not even an emergency one.

 

[Flying Dego]

We have DOC who is waiver exempt and plays C. Poulin and Caggs. Not to mention Rakell has played C in the NHL.

I understand who we have and I'm not stating my preference.

Archibald seems to have been promised a role here with his PK...Poehling I believe is also well regarded. So I fail to believe Hextall waives either unless someone can convince me otherwise.

 

[Flying Dego]

Also Hextall is a crazy reserved GM, is he not? He doesn't want to waste assets and is stingy, correct?

So there's no chance he risks losing Poehling right after Big Z. Archibald was given a spot long ago unless he breaks his pact but i don't see that.

So now Hextall is trying to trade POJ. Can't do it. He won't lose him for nothing. So this creates a chain of events that would mean Smith starts in WBS.

Then he has to choose between Ruh or Friedman as to which is less appealing. I'd lean Friedman due to the fact that Sully has deployed Ruh for like 7 years.

All this run around could've been easier to avoid if Blue was traded. But that time is past and here we are.

 

[Gurglesons]

Hextall back in some in a corner but making a few too many duplicate moves.

Getting both
Heinen and Kap

Both
Poehling and archibald

You could live with one of each of those and have been fine in terms of capspace. It just seems like they didn’t have actual faith in Zohorna, Doc, hallander or anyone else

What makes you think they don’t have faith in any of these guys?

Poehling was a legitimate prospect. If we can get him back to where he was when Montreal drafted him we are getting a very good piece.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Hextall back in some in a corner but making a few too many duplicate moves.

Getting both
Heinen and Kap

Both
Poehling and archibald

You could live with one of each of those and have been fine in terms of capspace. It just seems like they didn’t have actual faith in Zohorna, Doc, hallander or anyone else

Poehling is more of a Zohorna replacement than an Archibald replacement.

 

[Gurglesons]

Like Hextall didn’t back himself into a corner. I’ve been saying all summer they simply don’t care about Z and POJ. Why are people acting like or organization still thinks these guys have value?

 

[Flying Dego]

Like Hextall didn’t back himself into a corner. I’ve been saying all summer they simply don’t care about Z and POJ. Why are people acting like or organization still thinks these guys have value?

Ok so let's say for this sake that he just waives POJ and he's picked up.

Who does he waive next to become compliant?
Is it Archibald or Poehling making it a 12F team?

Or is it Ruh or Friedman to keep Smith in his spot?

 

[Darren McCord]

What makes you think they don’t have faith in any of these guys?

Poehling was a legitimate prospect. If we can get him back to where he was when Montreal drafted him we are getting a very good piece.

Poehling is gona be 24 he is a fringe prospect. If they had faith in DOC or someone stepping up they would not have signed all of these guys. They filled the roster through signings and left no spots open. they didnt even leave spot 13th open. Arguable Caggiula is 14th too. they had no plans for any guys to be in the NHL

Poehling is more of a Zohorna replacement than an Archibald replacement.

I disagree. I think Poehling is geared toward replacing TB as the 4th line center and penalty killer. Zohorna was never gona be that

 

[Gurglesons]

Ok so let's say for this sake that he just waives POJ and he's picked up.

Who does he waive next to become compliant?
Is it Archibald or Poehling making it a 12F team?

Or is it Ruh or Friedman to keep Smith in his spot?

I assume Ruh or Friedman. Wouldn’t be surprised if POJ isn’t traded if they waive them both the same day.