Line Combos: Pens 2022-2023 Training Camp thread: Its happenings

[Gurglesons]

In that sense agreed. It does appear he has no idea how to get under the cap and still ice the team they want. Maybe I’m wrong

The team he wants is cap compliant. We are just losing shitty depth pieces that mean nothing to the GM. The biggest concern is the D depth being bombed if we lose both Friedman and POJ to waivers.

If anyone can make sense to this past offseason, I would love to hear it in detail how this team is better. They're different in a weirder non sensical sense, that's about it.

sully is still a meathead as well

Defense is bigger. We have actually top nine talent versus just Heinen and Rodrigues after Rust and Guentzel. Brought in two young pieces with potential one of which is a forward who actually has size and height.

 

[Josey Wales]

If anyone can make sense to this past offseason, I would love to hear it in detail how this team is better. They're different in a weirder non sensical sense, that's about it.

sully is still a meathead as well

Yes won Back 2 Back SC's But he has magically become a meathead

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

The team he wants is cap compliant. We are just losing shitty depth pieces that mean nothing to the GM. The biggest concern is the D depth being bombed if we lose both Friedman and POJ to waivers.



Defense is bigger. We have actually top nine talent versus just Heinen and Rodrigues after Rust and Guentzel. Brought in two young pieces with potential one of which is a forward who actually has size and height.

I'm honestly drawing a blank. Which two young pieces were brought in this summer and which one has size? Poehling?

 

[Pens x]

The team he wants is cap compliant. We are just losing shitty depth pieces that mean nothing to the GM.

“Because, I'd prefer Z and Poehling as our 12th and 13th forwards versus Poehling and Archibald. I think Z goes through waivers.”

-Pixie before he was waived

Hextall signaled Pixie to begin dragging Z through the mud. Operation bash players once they leave has commenced. Like clockwork.

 

[Peat]

I'm honestly drawing a blank. Which two young pieces were brought in this summer and which one has size? Poehling?

Poehling the forward, Ty Smith the other.

 

[Flying Dego]

“Because, I'd prefer Z and Poehling as our 12th and 13th forwards versus Poehling and Archibald. I think Z goes through waivers.”

-Pixie before he was waived

Hextall signaled Pixie to begin dragging Z through the mud. Operation bash players once they leave has commenced. Like clockwork.

Pixies to his defense has trashed and praised Big Z through camp at times. No real change in his demeanor he just likes to play both sides sometimes.

 

[Gurglesons]

“Because, I'd prefer Z and Poehling as our 12th and 13th forwards versus Poehling and Archibald. I think Z goes through waivers.”

-Pixie before he was waived

Hextall signaled Pixie to begin dragging Z through the mud. Operation bash players once they leave has commenced. Like clockwork.

Yes. Reread the post and realize I am not Hextall and wanted Z and Poehling, but as I said previously Hextall has no attachment to Rutherford’s players and signings like Z and POJ..

I'm honestly drawing a blank. Which two young pieces were brought in this summer and which one has size? Poehling?

Poehling is 6’2 and weighs 200. Is that not size in your book?

 

[OtherThingsILike]

If Zohorna was only viewed as a winger by the team, why does anyone give a damn that he wasn't retained? The only way he really has value going forward was as a Brian Boyle type of 4C.

I imagine that the people who are highest on Zohorna didn't view his peak as being merely a 4th-liner, and believed he could've been an effective 3rd-liner.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I imagine that the people who are highest on Zohorna didn't view his peak as being merely a 4th-liner, and believed he could've been an effective 3rd-liner.

I just don't see it with him. I've always thought his best case scenario was a center who used his size and reach to be an effective defensive player. I don't see him ever being 3rd line quality and I don't really like him as a winger either.

Because he had good NHL results. Plus fan emotion of losing free stuff/anything that confirms the org does actually like Archibald.

That said, take away the emotion, and I also don't see a lot of point in getting that vexed either. I'd have rather kept him, I think he could have been a useful piece but I think we've got a bunch of potentially similarly useful pieces, regardless of whether he's going to be Boyle or Bjugstad. The only reason to get bugged is if he turns out to be the clear best of them.

And even if he had he might have walked in UFA anyway.

Like I said above, I don't really like Zohorna as a winger personally. I don't think he has the footspeed to be effective as a winger and his reach and size would be much more beneficial at center than on the wing.

I don't really see him succeeding as a winger, so if Calgary doesn't use him as a center, I imagine he does basically nothing there. All things considered, he's not a particularly useful depth player as a winger who doesn't kill penalties.

 

[Pens x]

I just don't see it with him. I've always thought his best case scenario was a center who used his size and reach to be an effective defensive player. I don't see him ever being 3rd line quality and I don't really like him as a winger either.



Like I said above, I don't really like Zohorna as a winger personally. I don't think he has the footspeed to be effective as a winger and his reach and size would be much more beneficial at center than on the wing.

I don't really see him succeeding as a winger, so if Calgary doesn't use him as a center, I imagine he does basically nothing there. All things considered, he's not a particularly useful depth player as a winger who doesn't kill penalties.

But Archibald is awful….

 

[Peat]

Like I said above, I don't really like Zohorna as a winger personally. I don't think he has the footspeed to be effective as a winger and his reach and size would be much more beneficial at center than on the wing.

I don't really see him succeeding as a winger, so if Calgary doesn't use him as a center, I imagine he does basically nothing there. All things considered, he's not a particularly useful depth player as a winger who doesn't kill penalties.

He's already been stupidly successful for his minutes as a winger. I suspect there's some regression to the mean coming with him but even so, I don't see why he can't be a pretty useful NHLer just continuing to do what he does.

Not that it really matters at this point.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

“Because, I'd prefer Z and Poehling as our 12th and 13th forwards versus Poehling and Archibald. I think Z goes through waivers.”

-Pixie before he was waived

Hextall signaled Pixie to begin dragging Z through the mud. Operation bash players once they leave has commenced. Like clockwork.

The difference is he wont make 1,000 post (no joke) about the same subject.

He knows the difference between the 12th and 13th forward isn't the end all be all for this team.


You are really weird

 

[3ladesof5teel]

But Archibald is awful….

So is Zohorna, only difference is Archibald can actually PK some and will hit someone unlike most others on this team.

He might suck more at some things but other things he does much better and b/c of that the team elected to hold onto him for now. Wouldn't be the first time a team kept someone b/c of certain attributes the team lacked.

Archi played better last pre-season game than 75 % of all of Z's games playing here.

An outside fan that knows nothing of Zohorna would think he is a future HOF inductee reading here

 

[Jacob]

Zohorna is a skilled winger. No clue where these “4C defensive specialist” projections come from. Gas leaks?

I don’t like losing him but we signed him for nothing and he’s 26. Poehling’s 3 years younger, bit higher pedigree, and probably better suited for a 4th line role. Maybe they end up being wrong, Poehling becomes ZAR2 and Zohorna becomes like, Tage Thompson in Calgary. But it looks like the right call right now, assuming it was between the two.

Poulin is Blueger’s heir.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Zohorna is a skilled winger. No clue where these “4C defensive specialist” projections come from. Gas leaks?

Because he's a massive player in the same build as Boyle and Boyle was a 4C defensive specialist. He absolutely wouldn't cut it in the NHL as a skilled winger, he is not skilled enough or fast enough to do that.

Don't be a douchebag.

He's already been stupidly successful for his minutes as a winger. I suspect there's some regression to the mean coming with him but even so, I don't see why he can't be a pretty useful NHLer just continuing to do what he does.

Not that it really matters at this point.

I mean, that's what a 115.6 PDO at 5v5 does to you

On that topic, Zohorna did have solid analytics, but I wouldn't really describe them as anything more than solid. +2.58% xGF%, with a -0.47 xGF/60 and a -0.64 xGA/60, isn't really something to write home about.

 

[Jacob]

Because he's a massive player in the same build as Boyle and Boyle was a 4C defensive specialist. He absolutely wouldn't cut it in the NHL as a skilled winger, he is not skilled enough or fast enough to do that.

Don't be a douchebag.

They’re both tall but that’s where the similarity ends. Different builds, Zohorna *is* a skilled winger and I agree it’s debatable if he’s skilled enough to stick in the NHL. He’s not a defensive specialist, doesn’t PK, often didn’t even play center in the AHL (and averaged less than 1 faceoff per game in the NHL). His bread and butter is offense. It’s that move to the outside cutting to the net off the rush, his shot, decent offensive IQ, good skating for his size. Zohorna is like Beau Bennett plus 5 inches.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

Zohorna is a skilled winger. No clue where these “4C defensive specialist” projections come from. Gas leaks?

I don’t like losing him but we signed him for nothing and he’s 26. Poehling’s 3 years younger, bit higher pedigree, and probably better suited for a 4th line role. Maybe they end up being wrong, Poehling becomes ZAR2 and Zohorna becomes like, Tage Thompson in Calgary. But it looks like the right call right now, assuming it was between the two.

Poulin is Blueger’s heir.

Agree with all of this but the pedigree thing......Poehling has a much higher pedigree than Z ever did. Z went undrafted and never put it all together on NA ice.

The reason so many were high or hopeful for that matter with Z was his size and potential skillset. I dont think people were thinking this guys going to be a defensive machine it was more who can stop a bigger guy who skates like hes 6 foot

 

[ColePens]

Honestly if the big controversy is losing Z... Pens had a good offseason and preseason. I like how we look moving forward. It will be tough but can't argue with what we have.

 

[Darren McCord]

Honestly if the big controversy is losing Z... Pens had a good offseason and preseason. I like how we look moving forward. It will be tough but can't argue with what we have.

This is true. The only issue I have is them being reserve and continuing to ice the same lineups. I just hope they give some guys a legit cup of coffee this year. Or make some adjustments.

Im tired of seeing the same lines and retreads as a fan. I want to be entertained lol. I would rather see Caggiula over Archibald even just to have something different. I am excited to see how the defense progresses.

 

[ZorkEnchanter]

Finally watched the game. It's pre-season, our defense with Petry and Rutta looks much more steady. 3rd period was kinda the turtle allow a close game that we've seen before.

I guess well see how this year ends...

 

[Gurglesons]

Uh oh. Am I about to look dumb lol

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Honestly if the big controversy is losing Z... Pens had a good offseason and preseason. I like how we look moving forward. It will be tough but can't argue with what we have.

The important thing is we're healthy. Arguably the healthiest team in the league at this point?
If we lose to Arizona at home like this then the team should feel nothing but shame.

Still a game and a few practices to get through though.

 

[66-30-33]

Uh oh. Am I about to look dumb lol

So he's getting sent down.

 

[Gurglesons]

So he's getting sent down.

I mean, if they can't do anything it makes the most sense cap wise. Not sure it makes the most sense in terms of icing the best roster or giving Smith development time in the NHL.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I trust Sid to go out at the right time and not overstay his old ass like Marleau.

They’re both tall but that’s where the similarity ends. Different builds, Zohorna *is* a skilled winger and I agree it’s debatable if he’s skilled enough to stick in the NHL. He’s not a defensive specialist, doesn’t PK, often didn’t even play center in the AHL (and averaged less than 1 faceoff per game in the NHL). His bread and butter is offense. It’s that move to the outside cutting to the net off the rush, his shot, decent offensive IQ, good skating for his size. Zohorna is like Beau Bennett plus 5 inches.

Zohorna played a lot of C in the Extraliga. I dunno if that matters for NHL coaches, but it's not like he's untrained there.

I'm more disappointed with Archibald staying than Zohorna going, if I'm going to be quite honest.