Salary Cap: Penguins Salary Cap Thread: We suck again summer edition

[AuroraBorealis]

Imagine being the manager of a group of people that are extremely talented individuals, but they absolutely stink as a group. Whether that's personality clashes or the way someone distributes/receives workflow and information.

When asked about the collective, you essentially say that you don't manage them and "they'll eventually figure it out"

That is literally what Sullivan said about the PP. That isn't dereliction of duty? That isn't grounds to be fired right there? If I were that manager's boss I'd be fuming. But everyone just shrugs it off and says Sully is the best ever. There are posters on here still backing the person. I swear I'm in a Black Mirroe episode

That's on Reirden more than it is on Sully in this case. He comes up with the tactics and personnel. He practices it with them and does video sessions with them.
From what I've seen, the conclusion they've arrived at is "just shoot more and keep it simple", when really their attacking style is flawed.

Our entries are a bigger problem than what happens once we get in zone imo.

Never seen a team struggle so much to just enter the zone on the PP. Our one move is the drop pass and if teams shut down that breakout we have no answers.

That too, and horrendous PP1 faceoff rates. At least the latter could improve next year.

 

[Jacob]

Rutta is fine but it’s also one of those cases where like, you can’t just develop a Rutta? Or find him in Europe like Chicago did? Or even scour free agency for the next Rutta that’s 1/3rd the price because he’s coming off an injury or a bad season on a bad team. He’s a solid but unspectacular #6.

Those kinda depth guys need to come from within. But that’s not his fault and he’s fine for what he is.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

That's on Reirden more than it is on Sully in this case. He comes up with the tactics and personnel. He practices it with them and does video sessions with them.
From what I've seen, the conclusion they've arrived at is "just shoot more and keep it simple", when really their attacking style is flawed.

But who manages Reirden? If I don't like something my direct reports are doing, I tell them my suggestions and if things still don't improve I get involved myself.

What we saw on the PP was tacitly approved by Sully because only he has the ultimate power to force changes. The crap that was occuring went on for months. This isn't a situation where there was only a few week window. Nope, they changed zero tactics.

 

[Jacob]

I think the issue is the top PP does whatever it wants, regardless of coaching. So you can either let them do whatever they want, or put other players on. And Sid / Geno / Letang freelancing is superior to Carter / Heinen / Petry doing what the coach wants.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I think the issue is the top PP does whatever it wants, regardless of coaching. So you can either let them do whatever they want, or put other players on. And Sid / Geno / Letang freelancing is superior to Carter / Heinen / Petry doing what the coach wants.

Have you ever seen this coach send a message to his top PP unit by putting PP2 to start? With a simple sentence along the lines of "you aren't doing what we practiced, so the other group is going to start this"

Yes, I know it's revolutionary coaching tactics that has never before been done in the history of any sport. But I realize we don't want to risk missing the playoffs or anything....oh wait

 

[Andy99]

The Pens can’t revamp the whole team to get younger and faster in the off-season…the Pens should pull a Tampa Bay: Tampa isn’t the fastest team but they 1) get great goaltending and 2) their PP gets the job done, particularly in the POs…improving both of those units will do the heavy lifting to get the Pens back in the POs…get the best goalie you can trade for, even if that means trading the first…bring in players who can shoot, play net front and are good at zone entries to play on PP1…ideally a D man who can replace Letang and a replacement for Jake in FA/trade…best 3 moves that will increase of our odds of winning with the current team

 

[LOGiK]

The Pens can’t revamp the whole team to get younger and faster in the off-season…the Pens should pull a Tampa Bay: Tampa isn’t the fastest team but they 1) get great goaltending and 2) their PP gets the job done, particularly in the POs…improving both of those units will do the heavy lifting to get the Pens back in the POs…get the best goalie you can trade for, even if that means trading the first…bring in players who can shoot, play net front and are good at zone entries to play on PP1…ideally a D man who can replace Letang and a replacement for Jake in FA/trade…best 3 moves that will increase of our odds of winning with the current team

Possible. I still say put youth into the entire 4th line... that won't be a complete liability and lose games. If the penguins can manage that.
Can go three ways - one they work out.
two, they fail, slightly or full blown.
three, they middle, go even, give as much as get. technically that is a 4th line success.

Success or failure you may get a standout performance... move'em up.
Don't work, should be on the cheap, get rid of them.

Then again you have sullivan and this (imo) not so great system where you must play a certain way and if you don't (as a youth) you're done.

Eh. They need youth in there.
Even with the 27-30 year old guys now, they will need youth to support them soon. I just don't see a way of doing anything without youth compliments.... but whatever. Just my opinion.

 

[Andy99]

Possible. I still say put youth into the entire 4th line... that won't be a complete liability and lose games. If the penguins can manage that.
Can go three ways - one they work out.
two, they fail, slightly or full blown.
three, they middle, go even, give as much as get. technically that is a 4th line success.

Success or failure you may get a standout performance... move'em up.
Don't work, should be on the cheap, get rid of them.

Then again you have sullivan and this (imo) not so great system where you must play a certain way and if you don't (as a youth) you're done.

Eh. They need youth in there.
Even with the 27-30 year old guys now, they will need youth to support them soon. I just don't see a way of doing anything without youth compliments.... but whatever. Just my opinion.

You can make youth lines for our bottom six…we need to bring in someone to replace Zucker in top six and that player should replace Jake on the PP1 and be a good PP zone entry player or net front player or shooter…get another D man in here for Dumo who’s good running the PP and take Letang off PP1… that, plus an above average goalie should do wonders.…don’t worry about the quality of the rest of the players

 

[LOGiK]

You can make youth lines for our bottom six…we need to bring in someone to replace Zucker in top six and that player should replace Jake on the PP1 and be a good PP zone entry player or net front player or shooter…get another D man in here for Dumo who’s good running the PP and take Letang off PP1… that, plus an above average goalie should do wonders.…don’t worry about the quality of the rest of the players

Hope they don't look for 'sullivan system' type players... that soff speedy crap needs to go.
It's annoying, boring, restrictive, downright ridiculous to build a marshmallow team.

 

[Pancakes]

Looking at the odds we've got a higher chance to win the lottery than I thought. Tankathon has us at 3% to pick 4th.

 

[Andy99]

Someone in the comments suggested trading Jake for Sorokin…I’d do that…doubt the Isles would lol

HockeyBuzz.com - Ryan Wilson - Replacing Jeff Petry?

www.hockeybuzz.com

 

[Josey Wales]

Someone in the comments suggested trading Jake for Sorokin…I’d do that…doubt the Isles would lol

HockeyBuzz.com - Ryan Wilson - Replacing Jeff Petry?

www.hockeybuzz.com

With Shitty Shattenkirk you really are Ryan Wilson GOOD GOD

 

[Gurglesons]

Someone in the comments suggested trading Jake for Sorokin…I’d do that…doubt the Isles would lol

HockeyBuzz.com - Ryan Wilson - Replacing Jeff Petry?

www.hockeybuzz.com

Bad take Andy.

 

[Josey Wales]

Bad take Andy.

BAD TAKE??? Yikes just Moronic

 

[edog37]

Granlund is one year removed from scoring 64 points.

And if everyone and their mother on this board could see that Sullivan actively used Granlund against his strengths, FOs in other organizations would recognize this too.

Pens could flip him for a fourth or fifth.

last year still happened. This nonsense that "he is just one removed from 64 points" is just that. He scored 1 goal since being acquired & was invisible.

 

[Gurglesons]

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

last year still happened. This nonsense that "he is just one removed from 64 points" is just that. He scored 1 goal since being acquired & was invisible.

Players have shitty stretches, get moved to a new team, and turn it around. It happens many, many, many times every. single. year.

Pittsburgh clearly isn't the spot for Granlund. But pretending that the options are either be stuck with him or buy him out is silly.

 

[Deport Ogie]

Granlund scored 64 points 2 years ago with 20+ coming on PP1 time and he also saw a large percentage of the year playing 1st line minutes with Filip Forsberg. If there's a team that could give him that kind of usage....sure maybe he could rebound. It's not going to be on a team that puts him out on the PK and plays him with Ryan Poehling.

This is the sort of situational analysis that you would think a person in charge of hockey ops for a multi-time Stanley Cup team would be able to handle.

 

[BusinessGoose]

You'd think that granny himself would ask for some sort of release, cause his stats are gonna crater here and ruin whatever final retirement contract he hopes to make after this one

 

[edog37]

Players have shitty stretches, get moved to a new team, and turn it around. It happens many, many, many times every. single. year.

Pittsburgh clearly isn't the spot for Granlund. But pretending that the options are either be stuck with him or buy him out is silly.

the buyout isn't great, but acceptable.

 

[K Fleur]

The Granlund trade had to come from Hextall reading this board pine for him, he just didn’t see that all the posts were from like 5 years ago.

If Hextall hadn’t gotten fired his offseason I know his plan was to trade for Kulemin.

 

[Lustaf]

just watching these games, i can't help thinking every team in the playoffs right now is wishing they had Tristan Jarry

Lucky for them they can get him for free this summer!

 

[Zbynek]

Imagine if the Pens had a guy like this stealing games to get them into the playoffs..



Then imagine that same guy gets hurt but stays in the game like a badass



And keeps putting up huge saves (wait for it......) even in the postseason,

 

[AuroraBorealis]

This is essentially your slim-pickins UFA goalie market. Did 15 games played minimum filter.
I'd prefer to trade for someone better, but if he has to be a UFA then Varlamov is my choice. Don't care if he's 35 if he can still give us 2 good years.

But if they're not trading I'm pretty convinced they're re-signing Jarry.

 

[McGroarty2]

If not trading for a goaltender, from that list I would go with Korpisalo and Raanta and send DeSmith to WBS or trade him. Maybe an additional trade for a goaltender could be made at the deadline.