Speculation: Penguins off day talk thread: Yes, Sully is still the coach

[Dennis Reynolds]

all of the good coaches have jobs

I think Dubas is terrible, but this can also be true at the same time. You and I mentioned it in other posts quoting each other a few minutes ago.

As much as the majority of us here can agree that Sullivan is far past his expiration date and Reirden should be removed from the PP ASAP, we've also all had discussions about the lack of intriguing replacements. There's just not that much out there, and the interesting guys down in the minors from other organizations all require permission, which this team isn't guaranteed to get.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I get the defenseman seem to like Reirden but is there a rule on how many assistant coaches they can hire? Or perhaps a special assistant title or something to bring in a guy who just coaches the power play? I didn’t hear anything reassuring in this press conference other than eventually they’ll be okay probably….

This is what I would do:

Reirden Fired or PP duties releived
Boudreau comes to coach the PP

That way if they want to fire Sully they've got BB in the wings ready to take over and is familiar enough with the roster

 

[PensandCaps]

Do people think the only coaching options are the recycled morons who have jobs right now? Go find someone who has never coached in the NHL before. Most these NHL coaches are idiots.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Do people think the only coaching options are the recycled morons who have jobs right now? Go find someone who has never coached in the NHL before. Most these NHL coaches are idiots.

BuT wHaT iF MiKe JoHnStoN?!1?!

 

[SomeDude]

I think Dubas is terrible, but this can also be true at the same time. You and I mentioned it in other posts quoting each other a few minutes ago.

As much as the majority of us here can agree that Sullivan is far past his expiration date and Reirden should be removed from the PP ASAP, we've also all had discussions about the lack of intriguing replacements. There's just not that much out there, and the interesting guys down in the minors from other organizations all require permission, which this team isn't guaranteed to get.

I agree with the lack of a suitable replacement being the biggest issue with firing Sully, but Todd should be gone if nothing else of a symbolic gesture of the PP being unacceptable.

Aren’t Cullen and Daley still involved with the organization? Give one of them the interim assistant job for the rest of the season. It doesn’t take some magical hockey mind to see the PP needs major changes. Just do something other than say “the stats show we don’t suck so surely everyone else and the standings are wrong.”

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Do people think the only coaching options are the recycled morons who have jobs right now? Go find someone who has never coached in the NHL before. Most these NHL coaches are idiots.

This is also true, but you also have the dinosaur GM's (who used to be coaches) running teams.
The risk aversion sets this hockey product back.

 

[Maninthebox87]

Sounds like it’s similar to resigning Jarry this offseason… stick with the devil you know… just feel like this press conference wasn’t even necessary. The power play is just unacceptable though a month to the day since they scored one it’s frustrating and someone should have been held accountable I mean I get Dubas isn’t going to say anything negative about the coaches but still…

 

[DesertedPenguin]

This is what I would do:

Reirden Fired or PP duties releived
Boudreau comes to coach the PP

That way if they want to fire Sully they've got BB in the wings ready to take over and is familiar enough with the roster

I love these scenarios. You're just assuming Boudreau would accept the job.

He's 68. He's looking for one last head coaching gig. Not a part-time role.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I agree with the lack of a suitable replacement being the biggest issue with firing Sully, but Todd should be gone if nothing else of a symbolic gesture of the PP being unacceptable. Aren’t Cullen and Daley still involved with the organization? Give one of them the interim assistant job for the rest of the season. Just do something other than say “the stats show we don’t suck so surely everyone else is wrong.”

Todd's process should take hold any year, now. You'll see. He has all that powerplay experience throughout the course of his career to fall back on and reference for teaching purposes, after all. If there is anyone who would know how to score goals on the man advantage it's THAT guy.

 

[pistolpete11]

I like Petts but other than that I feel like I’d trade all of those guys if it was something good coming back. It would be a sell high on Eller I like him but he’s getting older.

I've been a fan of Petts for a long time and defended him throughout his HFBPens whipping boy days, but he's only signed through next year and I'm not sure I'd looking to extend him into his mid-30's.

As always, it comes down to what you could get for him, but I'm not saying he's off limits either.

 

[SomeDude]

Todd's process should take hold any year, now. You'll see. He has all that powerplay experience throughout the course of his career to fall back on and reference for teaching purposes, after all. If there is anyone who would know how to score goals on the man advantage it's THAT guy.

He just wants the PP to have as many goals as he has working hair follicles on his head.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Do people think the only coaching options are the recycled morons who have jobs right now? Go find someone who has never coached in the NHL before. Most these NHL coaches are idiots.

Most of those folks have jobs and contracts right now, too.

Since the Pens hired Sullivan, only once has a team fired a coach midseason and hired the replacement from another year. The 35 other replacements were either internal or previously unemployed.

Contracts and permissions are a legit obstacle midseason.

 

[CascadiaPenguin]

I'm cheering for Arizona tomorrow.

Cooley is going to light this shit up.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I love these scenarios. You're just assuming Boudreau would accept the job.

He's 68. He's looking for one last head coaching gig. Not a part-time role.

Are you his agent and you know these to be facts?

 

[SomeDude]

I love these scenarios. You're just assuming Boudreau would accept the job.

He's 68. He's looking for one last head coaching gig. Not a part-time role.

All you gotta do is put a pint of Haagen-Dazs in front of him and the man will agree to anything, and I do mean anything.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

It's just so depressing to realize that these guys show up every day after shitting the bed for years straight just for everyone in and around the team to slap them on the back and be like "hey great job being thoroughly mediocre at best, guys! I'm just gonna do a press conference to talk about how unfair it is that all those imaginary goals aren't REAL goals... BRB!"

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Are you his agent and you know these to be facts?

Plot twist: he IS Bruce Boudreau.

 

[Josey Wales]

It's just so depressing to realize that these guys show up every day after shitting the bed for years straight just for everyone in and around the team to slap them on the back and be like "hey great job being thoroughly mediocre at best, guys! I'm just gonna do a press conference to talk about how unfair it is that all those imaginary goals aren't REAL goals... BRB!"

YES that is it Blame Ownership & Dubas for the fact 90% of this Board is Delusional

 

[BallardEra]

All you gotta do is put a pint of Haagen-Dazs in front of him and the man will agree to anything, and I do mean anything.

Man I totally love their Coffee flavour and PB and Chocolate.

 

[SomeDude]

Boris Katchouk on waivers. I don’t know much about him but I can guarantee he’s better than Harkins.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Boris Katchouk on waivers. I don’t know much about him but I can guarantee he’s better than Harkins.

He was always noticeable against WBS.

 

[TimmyD]

It could be a little bit of both. I think Dubas likes Sullivan's approach with managing a team on a day-to-day basis, but could potentially use some fresh ideas around him. That said, as a few folks on here have pointed out, it's rare to see an assistant coach fired midseason unless he's getting canned alongside a head coach.

I think Dubas is going to continue to evaluate the entire staff the rest of the season and any changes would come in the offseason.

In the meantime, he'll continue to work on the roster.

So they want something from Puljujarvi that he’s never really provided in his time as a pro… “anything offensively is a bonus.” He’s an offense first skill winger lol…

 

[Ugene Magic]

Do people think the only coaching options are the recycled morons who have jobs right now? Go find someone who has never coached in the NHL before. Most these NHL coaches are idiots.

You don't have a young/younger team where this approach/with this core is going to work.

Like keep bringing up firing the coach mid season is gonna work every time is just silly when this teams core is basically set in their ways. It doesn't have anything to do "with the message" it is everything to do with crossing the T's and dotting the I's. The little things/simple things that this teams keeps learning the same lesson on game in and game out.

The soul thing this team should focus on is puck management.

Giving and accepting passes, knowing when to just keep the puck in and live another day by not giving lazy passes easily picked off and so on. They reach so much around the perimeter and the bluelines that it is sickening. Some of it is just having too much patience and allowing those defenders to get into that position to pick off passes. Telegraphing it.

Edit: That also has to coincide with movement by all, especially on the PP.

The only guy who should 100% be let go is Reirden.

It's too easy and much easier to replace.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

I've been a fan of Petts for a long time and defended him throughout his HFBPens whipping boy days, but he's only signed through next year and I'm not sure I'd looking to extend him into his mid-30's.

As always, it comes down to what you could get for him, but I'm not saying he's off limits either.

Depending on his AAV, that could become a nice trade chip for the rebuild if we extend him, just like Jarry.

 

[PensandCaps]

You don't have a young/younger team where this approach/with this core is going to work.

Like keep bringing up firing the coach mid season is gonna work every time is just silly when this teams core is basically set in their ways. It doesn't have anything to do "with the message" it is everything to do with crossing the T's and dotting the I's. The little things/simple things that this teams keeps learning the same lesson on game in and game out.

The soul thing this team should focus on is puck management.

Giving and accepting passes, knowing when to just keep the puck in and live another day by not giving lazy passes easily picked off and so on. They reach so much around the perimeter and the bluelines that it is sickening. Some of it is just having too much patience and allowing those defenders to get into that position to pick off passes. Telegraphing it.

The only guy who should 100% be let go is Reirden.

It's too easy and much easier to replace.

Nah, the moron behind the bench gotta go for whoever. Who cares.