Speculation: Penguins off day talk thread: Yes, Sully is still the coach

[SEALBound]

If the problem with your team is that your goalie can't stop pucks, how will changing the 5v5 lines accomplish anything?

The things that are causing this team to lose games are Jarry being shitty and the powerplay being shitty. How does changing the 5v5 lines change anything with either of those issues?

5v5 is doing well, the goalie at this time cannot stop pucks, and we are losing. You can't change goalie. But maybe what you CAN change is an anemic 4th line that is 0-0-0 across the board in the hope they help produce a goal or two to help the team win.

I was in a risk management meeting with a doctor's office full of ortho surgeons once. There were five that owned the practice. They were looking at the books and wanted a higher profit. They yelled at the office admin to cut costs by firing admin workers, reducing nurse and PT hours, and cutting office supplies - ya know, things like that. The office admin said, "Well, that's one way to do it...or...each of you could work more than 2 days per week and bring more overall cash to the clinic. That would negate the need to cut costs making everyone more stressed and boost your profits" All those smartypant doctors looked baffled.

If your goalie can't win you games, the offense will have to...so not changing anything on the offense side is part of the problem. As much as a hate to admit it, Gurgs is on the right track with the argument. You can't sit back and do nothing, especially when a 4th line is 0-0-0 and looks dreadful to boot.

Now, changing the overall system we play is another major component that is an argument in and of itself.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

I’d swap Rust and Rakell, see if that gets Rakell going offensively. Gotta do something different.

NO! We CAN'T change things.

 

[66-30-33]

NO! We CAN'T change things.

Here is another one…take Jake off the top PP unit and tell the team you’re experimenting and it’s your job to stay in front of the goalie and screen him at all costs, if they don’t replace them with someone that will. We scored PP goals because goalie was screened, we need more of that even if we don’t have the players for it, we can force players to do it and be rewarded.

 

[SEALBound]

NO! We CAN'T change things.

 

[Ugene Magic]

One thing that will take care of a lot of issues.

Stop turning the puck over. Not just that, but where/when they turn them over.

 

[66-30-33]

One thing that will take care of a lot of issues.

Stop turning the puck over. Not just that, but where/when they turn them over.

It’s hilarious how bad we are at clearing easy pucks out of our own zone. Easy pucks out, simple.

 

[Empoleon8771]

5v5 is doing well, the goalie at this time cannot stop pucks, and we are losing. You can't change goalie. But maybe what you CAN change is an anemic 4th line that is 0-0-0 across the board in the hope they help produce a goal or two to help the team win.

I was in a risk management meeting with a doctor's office full of ortho surgeons once. There were five that owned the practice. They were looking at the books and wanted a higher profit. They yelled at the office admin to cut costs by firing admin workers, reducing nurse and PT hours, and cutting office supplies - ya know, things like that. The office admin said, "Well, that's one way to do it...or...each of you could work more than 2 days per week and bring more overall cash to the clinic. That would negate the need to cut costs making everyone more stressed and boost your profits" All those smartypant doctors looked baffled.

If your goalie can't win you games, the offense will have to...so not changing anything on the offense side is part of the problem. As much as a hate to admit it, Gurgs is on the right track with the argument. You can't sit back and do nothing, especially when a 4th line is 0-0-0 and looks dreadful to boot.

Now, changing the overall system we play is another major component that is an argument in and of itself.

Why can’t the Penguins change a goalie? Why can the Penguins not play Hellberg more until Jarry rights the ship?

You have a clear and obvious solution but are randomly saying it’s not an option, and then saying “we can’t change something that isn’t working but we can change something that is working”. Why can’t you change things that aren’t working and keep the things that are working?

The same thing applies to the powerplay. The teams production issues are with their 4th line and powerplay, so those are the areas that should change. If you need to make changes, why change something that is working while not changing something that isn’t working?

 

[Ugene Magic]

It’s hilarious how bad we are at clearing easy pucks out of our own zone. Easy pucks out, simple.

It's from the goal line to the oppositions blueline and just inside their blueline.

Everything is hammer north but they also get caught north at the same time.

 

[vodeni]

When Sullivan passes from this world, someone will carve onto his tombstone "He never let Geno have Jake".

the way jake is playing defense nowdays, maybe thats a good thing not pair him up with Geno...just saying

 

[Honour Over Glory]

During this long layoff is when firing this anus of a coach would have been the right time.

Thanks for f***ing nothing, K12 Kyle.

 

[66-30-33]

Why can’t the Penguins change a goalie? Why can the Penguins not play Hellberg more until Jarry rights the ship?

You have a clear and obvious solution but are randomly saying it’s not an option, and then saying “we can’t change something that isn’t working but we can change something that is working”. Why can’t you change things that aren’t working and keep the things that are working?

The same thing applies to the powerplay. The teams production issues are with their 4th line and powerplay, so those are the areas that should change. If you need to make changes, why change something that is working while not changing something that isn’t working?

Rakell has 1 point in 9 games, that needs to be dealt with and not ignored. Our 2nd line is getting points 5 on 5 from Malkin and Smith. That’s why I said swap Rust/Rakell. Rust is working hard but he will work hard even with Malkin. Seems like an obvious swap.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Why can’t the Penguins change a goalie? Why can the Penguins not play Hellberg more until Jarry rights the ship?

You have a clear and obvious solution but are randomly saying it’s not an option, and then saying “we can’t change something that isn’t working but we can change something that is working”. Why can’t you change things that aren’t working and keep the things that are working?

The same thing applies to the powerplay. The teams production issues are with their 4th line and powerplay, so those are the areas that should change. If you need to make changes, why change something that is working while not changing something that isn’t working?

Hellberg is not the better goalie. Like, I agree about Jarry going down, but this is what's taught, to be flipper goalies. I think this is fine when the teaching that are for much bigger goalies to just take up as much of the net as possible, but Jarry isn't 6'4" to 6'8". He's 6'2" and he should use a more adaptive style where he stands up more. So blame the guys whom are teaching him to go down, not fixing him going down too early.

 

[66-30-33]

When Sullivan passes from this world, someone will carve onto his tombstone "He never let Geno have Jake".

“He never got to his game”.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Rakell has 1 point in 9 games, that needs to be dealt with and not ignored. Our 2nd line is getting points 5 on 5 from Malkin and Smith. That’s why I said swap Rust/Rakell. Rust is working hard but he will work hard even with Malkin. Seems like an obvious swap.

You can swap those two, I'm just making the point that any changes to the top-9 aren't actually addressing any of the issues this team is having.

Swapping Rakell and Rust may benefit the team, but it's likely not having a large enough impact to really fix anything. But figuring out the powerplay or getting better goaltending? Those would have massive implications for this team.

Hellberg is not the better goalie. Like, I agree about Jarry going down, but this is what's taught, to be flipper goalies. I think this is fine when the teaching that are for much bigger goalies to just take up as much of the net as possible, but Jarry isn't 6'4" to 6'8". He's 6'2" and he should use a more adaptive style where he stands up more. So blame the guys whom are teaching him to go down, not fixing him going down too early.

Goalies haven't been taught to play this kind of standup style since the 1990s. Jarry's issues aren't related to him being a butterfly goalie whatsoever.

And anyway, it doesn't matter who the "better goalie" is, it matters who is playing better at the time. Right now, Jarry is objectively not playing well. It doesn't matter if he's more talented if he's not currently playing better.

 

[Ugene Magic]

You can swap those two, I'm just making the point that any changes to the top-9 aren't actually addressing any of the issues this team is having.

Swapping Rakell and Rust may benefit the team, but it's likely not having a large enough impact to really fix anything. But figuring out the powerplay or getting better goaltending? Those would have massive implications for this team.



Goalies haven't been taught to play this kind of standup style since the 1990s. Jarry's issues aren't related to him being a butterfly goalie whatsoever.

The butterfly style is popular because you take up more space in a butterfly than standing up.

Not if you are on your angle.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Not if you are on your angle.

No, it still is even if you're on your angle.

Standup goalies haven't existed since the 1980s or 1990s. Jarry's issues are absolutely not that he's not playing a 30-40 year old goalie style.

 

[66-30-33]

You can swap those two, I'm just making the point that any changes to the top-9 aren't actually addressing any of the issues this team is having.

Swapping Rakell and Rust may benefit the team, but it's likely not having a large enough impact to really fix anything. But figuring out the powerplay or getting better goaltending? Those would have massive implications for this team.



Goalies haven't been taught to play this kind of standup style since the 1990s. Jarry's issues aren't related to him being a butterfly goalie whatsoever.

I’d take off Jake for a while and experiment with other players saying”ok you will only keep this spot if you screen the goalie, that’s your only goal to being on PP1”, it’s at least something I guess. Maybe it will work? Just screen goalie, it’s your only goal.

 

[vodeni]

If the problem with your team is that your goalie can't stop pucks, how will changing the 5v5 lines accomplish anything?

The things that are causing this team to lose games are Jarry being shitty and the powerplay being shitty. How does changing the 5v5 lines change anything with either of those issues?

I'll have to take Empo's side on this line of argument. Could the offense do better, sure, could we get a few more goals from the blue line, sure, some of it is puck luck some of it is cold hands whatever, but the only game so far that everyone is saying we were great: the Avs game- is actually the only game in which we got outplayed and our goalie outplayed their goalie and all of the sudden everything looked great. I hate Sully's approach on PP, his reluctance to pull jake off , kept Carter too long in and whatever, but Jarry is the main reason why we are below line right now

 

[Empoleon8771]

I’d take off Jake for a while and experiment with other players saying”ok you will only keep this spot if you screen the goalie, that’s your only goal to being on PP1”, it’s at least something I guess. Maybe it will work? Just screen goalie, it’s your only goal.

I'd be sticking Zohorna in front of the net and bumping Guentzel off the top PP unit. I don't know that he has great around the net hands but him being 6'7" makes him pretty damn suited to be a net front guy.

 

[66-30-33]

I'd be sticking Zohorna in front of the net and bumping Guentzel off the top PP unit. I don't know that he has great around the net hands but him being 6'7" makes him pretty damn suited to be a net front guy.

That would be my first choice too.

 

[SomeDude]

It’s hilarious how bad we are at clearing easy pucks out of our own zone. Easy pucks out, simple.

It’s like other teams know our breakout and their players are quicker at getting to the spots than ours.

Reminiscent of late stage Bylsma stretch passes.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

It’s like other teams know our breakout and their players are quicker at getting to the spots than ours.

Reminiscent of late stage Bylsma stretch passes.

Are you daring to suggest that Sullivan's breakouts are ... predictable at this point? Can't possibly be.

 

[Ugene Magic]

No, it still is even if you're on your angle.

Standup goalies haven't existed since the 1980s or 1990s. Jarry's issues are absolutely not that he's not playing a 30-40 year old goalie style.

Recently you complained about Jarry not standing up, so which is it?

Because for me, a goalie who drops and gets beat top shelf of a goal that would have been 100% saved standing up on a shot on net with clear unobstructed view is a problem.

So is it timing? Or is it what is being taught? he's dropping before the shot is even taken.

I don't get dropping for a shot and nobody is within 30/50 feet of him. A blast from the blueline to the top of the circles should not be scored top shelf in that situation.

Again, you called it out, and I tech. agree, but now you are going all bipolar on us.

Edit: It's called being a hybrid than a standup goalie.

 

[Headshot77]

Can you buy out a contract mid-season? No reason just asking.

 

[SEALBound]

Why can’t the Penguins change a goalie? Why can the Penguins not play Hellberg more until Jarry rights the ship?

You have a clear and obvious solution but are randomly saying it’s not an option, and then saying “we can’t change something that isn’t working but we can change something that is working”. Why can’t you change things that aren’t working and keep the things that are working?

The same thing applies to the powerplay. The teams production issues are with their 4th line and powerplay, so those are the areas that should change. If you need to make changes, why change something that is working while not changing something that isn’t working?

I mean, it's possible. You can ride Hellberg a bit more. You can call up Blomqvist if needed. Traditionally goalies have to "play their way out of it" but I think on any given night, Jarry and Hellberg are probably in the same boat. Maybe when Neds gets back?

I'm also more speaking to the fact that there are about 5-6 different bottom 6 combinations you can run with just one extra player. Changing up the 4th line at the very least is much more easy to do than figuring out goaltenders at the moment.