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Speculation: Penguins off day talk thread: Yes, Sully is still the coach

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HandshakeLine said:
I'm glad it stands to you too Jesse, but any ideas on why your colleagues have started to go blind? Besides the usual self-pollution, anyhow.
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"If I bad mouth them in public, then they might get mad at me and won't call me when it comes time to cover a big story!"

I imagine "safety" comes into play a lot when picking paths.

I believe that they (journos, Dubas, FSG) think Sullivan is truly the best man for the job. Which is problematic. They are using the players and age as an excuse to forgive overall bad performance no matter how much it shouts coaching.

Here's where I'm at with Sullivan as a compromise: I think he knows the game well, I think he can be a good coach...just not here anymore. It's time to move on and get fresh blood. That's what is best for the players and the organization.
 
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SEALBound said:
Here's where I'm at with Sullivan as a compromise: I think he knows the game well, I think he can be a good coach...just not here anymore. It's time to move on and get fresh blood. That's what is best for the players and the organization.
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I don't even know about this, anymore. I used to say it almost as a reflex "oh he's a great coach just stale, here." In reality he's been an abject failure outside of two seasons. It's just that those two seasons were uh... QUITE noteworthy.

Plus what kind of "great coach" is so stuck up his own ass that he's letting all this *gestures broadly* happen?
 
Andy99 said:
breakdownsandbreakaways.substack.com

Point Blank: Mike Sullivan shouldn't be back as Penguins' head coach next season

The head coach who deployed Patric Hornqvist with fourth-line minutes in Game 6 of the 2017 Stanley Cup Final has been missing for quite some time.
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This writer sunk his credibility when he said "the coach who put PH on the 4th line in the SC final..."

Well back then it was a wise choice bc Horny had just returned from a hand injury.

Sully lost all his brain cells during Covid bc that's when I saw a different guy. The playoff loss to the Caps wasn't that bad in retrospect bc they were coming off back to back and they had injuries, plus Holtby was playing out of his mind.

Sully should have been on notice for the 2020 Habs series. Just a cluster of f***ups
 
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BlindWillyMcHurt said:
I don't even know about this, anymore. I used to say it almost as a reflex "oh he's a great coach just stale, here." In reality he's been an abject failure outside of two seasons. It's just that those two seasons were uh... QUITE noteworthy.

Plus what kind of "great coach" is so stuck up his own ass that he's letting all this *gestures broadly* happen?
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Exactly. Sullivan might luck into another job where the team succeeds (like he did with his current job) but he is no "great coach".

He's just an asshole whose ego is out of control because "he" won 2 Cups a couple of light years ago. Whatever talent he may still possess as a coach is not reflected in a single thing he does anymore, and he's not likely to change just because he gets fired -- as if that's ever going to happen.

He's every bit as safe as that other arrogant asshole with the well-below-average IQ who is still a head coach in Pittsburgh despite underachieving massively for many years.

Please prove me wrong about that today, Doobie. If today isn't the day that Bahstun Boy gets the ax, Dubas should resign on the spot because clearly FSG has his testicles in a box on their desk.
 
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Optional skate. But only 2 players missing, Smith and Carter.
What more proof do we need Smith is sulking and don't want to be here?

Carter might just be old.
 
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Victor Z said:
Exactly. Sullivan might luck into another job where the team succeeds (like he did with his current job) but he is no "great coach".

He's just an asshole whose ego is out of control because "he" won 2 Cups a couple of light years ago. Whatever talent he may still possess as a coach is not reflected in a single thing he does anymore, and he's not likely to change just because he gets fired -- as if that's ever going to happen.

He's every bit as safe as that other arrogant asshole with the well-below-average IQ who is still a head coach in Pittsburgh despite underachieving massively for many years.

Please prove me wrong about that today, Doobie. If today isn't the day that Bahstun Boy gets the ax, Dubas should resign on the spot because clearly FSG has his testicles in a box on their desk.
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I think a lot of it, sad as it is, is that Sullivan puts on a good show. He's like... a lot of people's archetype of what a supposedly great coach looks/sounds like. He's got that part down pat. Hell he even had me buying in for a lot of years and I am generally suspicious of NHL coaching.

But the results say otherwise. And no truly great teacher is this arrogant/stubborn.
 
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Here's what I'd like to see (prob a little crazy)

Sully Gone

Harkins, White, Phillips sent down

Hino, Gruden, Big Z up

Puu - Sid - Rust
Rakell - Malkin - Hino
Smith - Eller - Z
DOC - Gruden - Puljujari

Carter

Swap Acciari with Gruden when healthy.
 
Grouch said:
Here's what I'd like to see (prob a little crazy)

Sully Gone

Harkins, White, Phillips sent down

Hino, Gruden, Big Z up

Puu - Sid - Rust
Rakell - Malkin - Hino
Smith - Eller - Z
DOC - Gruden - Puljujari

Carter

Swap Acciari with Gruden when healthy.
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Hino, Gruden Zoho SUCK too
 
I think Sullivan has it in him to be a great coach, but he seems to have gotten pretty far away from what made him great. When he first came here, it was stuff like:

"Play to your strengths"
"Don't force plays, take what the game gives you"
"Put them in the best position to succeed"
He would get into players ears on the bench, encourage them, get players to focus and not get distracted by other players trying to throw you off...

Now he seems to mostly stand behind the bench and shout. The Karlsson stuff which doesn't need further elaboration. If we are to believe what Graves said, the system being a bit complex (which could lead to players not knowing where to go and being out of position). Occasionally hearing from analysts and announcers about players lacking confidence, which didn't use to be the case.

I think if he went elsewhere and kept doing what he is doing now, he will probably struggle there too.
 
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Grouch said:
Here's what I'd like to see (prob a little crazy)

Sully Gone

Harkins, White, Phillips sent down

Hino, Gruden, Big Z up

Puu - Sid - Rust
Rakell - Malkin - Hino
Smith - Eller - Z
DOC - Gruden - Puljujari

Carter

Swap Acciari with Gruden when healthy.
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Smith - Crosby - Rust
Rakell - Malkin - Puusy
DOC - Eller - Hino
Z - Acciari (Gruden) - Poolparty

BlindWillyMcHurt said:
Everyone might as well just read this and plan something more productive for your afternoon.
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I'm still gonna try to watch on the off chance they do ax Sullivan.

I want to witness that with my own 2 eyes live :laugh:
 
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Kiith Nabaal said:
I think Sullivan has it in him to be a great coach, but he seems to have gotten pretty far away from what made him great. When he first came here, it was stuff like:

"Play to your strengths"
"Don't force plays, take what the game gives you"
"Put them in the best position to succeed"
He would get into players ears on the bench, encourage them, get players to focus and not get distracted by other players trying to throw you off...

Now he seems to mostly stand behind the bench and shout. The Karlsson stuff which doesn't need further elaboration. If we are to believe what Graves said, the system being a bit complex (which could lead to players not knowing where to go and being out of position). Occasionally hearing from analysts and announcers about players lacking confidence, which didn't use to be the case.

I think if he went elsewhere and kept doing what he is doing now, he will probably struggle there too.
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It's literally Dan Bylsma all over again.

Which is why it's kind of funny to me that so many don't see the very obvious parallels and what must be done.
 
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deakka said:
Optional skate. But only 2 players missing, Smith and Carter.
What more proof do we need Smith is sulking and don't want to be here?

Carter might just be old.
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Smiths on the trade block…is there a coincidence he’s missing? I think not lol
 
pistolpete11 said:
I know it hasn't happened yet, but here are the cliff notes from the presser.

- Things have not gone as well as we expected.
- We're open to trades that strengthen our team going forward.
- We believe in Mike Sullivan.
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You left out the part when someone asks about the PP and Dubas brings out Todd Reirden and makes out with him for 5 minutes.
 
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pistolpete11 said:
I know it hasn't happened yet, but here are the cliff notes from the presser.

- Things have not gone as well as we expected.
- We're open to trades that strengthen our team going forward.
- We believe in Mike Sullivan.
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Does it really matter?

Is there anyone delusional enough to still believe that the window is still open next year? Everyone, except for Sid who made a deal with the devil never to age, will be a year older. And the cupboard is bare. No call ups. No trades. Not enough cap space to make a difference.

If you booked a trip on the Titanic do you care who the Captain who takes over is after they hit the iceberg?

Let's see how Dubas handles the trades this deadline and what he gets. And go from there.
 
pistolpete11 said:
I know it hasn't happened yet, but here are the cliff notes from the presser.

- Things have not gone as well as we expected.
- We're open to trades that strengthen our team going forward.
- We believe in Mike Sullivan.
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Exactly…I could already give the presser answers in my sleep at this point
 
Jaded-Fan said:
Does it really matter?

Is there anyone delusional enough to still believe that the window is still open next year? Everyone, except for Sid who made a deal with the devil never to age, will be a year older. And the cupboard is bare. No call ups. No trades. Not enough cap space to make a difference.

If you booked a trip on the Titanic do you care who the Captain who takes over is after they hit the iceberg?

Let's see how Dubas handles the trades this deadline and what he gets. And go from there.
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Yes it matters!

You want these bozos in charge of whatever is next?

Besides that... I WANT to watch hockey for entertainment. This is eye torture. Even if gutting the bench and portions of the FO doesn't win them a Cup (and it won't) it at least gives them a chance at a reset.
 
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