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Speculation: Penguins off day talk thread: Yes, Sully is still the coach

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Andy99 said:
You might be right, but God I hope not lol…that would be the height of stupidity…get some young assets

From Dejan today:

• If this thing goes -- OK, keeps going -- south, it won't be Jake Guentzel that's sent out. That's my understanding. There are plenty of other players who can be moved, even it's for the principal purpose of clearing cap space as opposed to hard hockey returns.
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I don't know what's dumber, that idea or DK.
 
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Pens1566 said:
I don't know what's dumber, that idea or DK.
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Honestly if the idea is to just keep Jake and somehow find a way to flush all of Raks, Smith, Rust and whatever other floaters you want to skim off the top of this roster... I'd be more than fine with that, too. Graves could go too for all I care. Think I've already seen enough of that guy. He's about as sharp as a spoon.

Obviously that won't happen. Especially Rust and Graves but I can dream I guess.
 
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BlindWillyMcHurt said:
Honestly if the idea is to just keep Jake and somehow find a way to flush all of Raks, Smith, Rust and whatever other floaters you want to skim off the top of this roster... I'd be more than fine with that, too. Graves could go too for all I care. Think I've already seen enough of that guy. He's about as sharp as a spoon.

Obviously that won't happen. Especially Rust and Graves but I can dream I guess.
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That’s fine but there’s not a lot of those players who could be traded at the deadline, let alone for a great return. If Dubas wants to re-sign Jake and Jake is onboard, he’d be smart to trade him at deadline for assets and then resign in the summer. But trade him soon for god sake
 
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Andy99 said:
That’s fine but there’s not a lot of those players who could be traded at the deadline, let alone for a great return. If Dubas wants to re-sign Jake and Jake is onboard, he’d be smart to trade him at deadline for assets and then resign in the summer. But trade him soon for god sake
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The idea could be to get whatever return you can for those pieces, re-sign Jake, and then use the cap space gained to target different types of players in free agency or even in trades for players on teams up against the cap.
 
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DesertedPenguin said:
The idea could be to get whatever return you can for those pieces, re-sign Jake, and then use the cap space gained to target different types of players in free agency or even in trades for players on teams up against the cap.
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Rust has a NMC…even if you could trade Raks, that’s still probably going to cost us an asset to move him which makes it unlikely with his play and 4 years left. Smith is likely the only one of those three who we could move. Even w Carter’s 3M being off the table and Smith’s $5M, with Jake’s increase in salary we still don’t have a lot of cap space left for a major move
 
Josey Wales said:
Placed on NHL waivers today: Rem Pitlick (CHI). Another player that Sullivan Haters said he kept in minors
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I think most people here, Sullivan Hater or Not (which I AM, to be clear) knew that Pitlick was being kept in WBS because of cap reasons, not because Sullivan hated him or wanted to keep him there. He made too much money to get the call. End of story. Plus, he sucks. He was a throw in (afterthought seems too harsh).
Andy99 said:
You might be right, but God I hope not lol…that would be the height of stupidity…get some young assets

From Dejan today:

• If this thing goes -- OK, keeps going -- south, it won't be Jake Guentzel that's sent out. That's my understanding. There are plenty of other players who can be moved, even it's for the principal purpose of clearing cap space as opposed to hard hockey returns.
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Logically, Smith is the most likely candidate to get sent out.

In fact, looking at the entire roster:
Smith
POJ
Rudwedel
Nedjelkovich
Nieto
Acciari
Carter
Harkins

Are all players I could being moved in one form or another, assuming some waive. Smith out for a similar forward makes a ton of sense. Rudwedel to a team wanting cheap RD insurance makes sense. Neds obviously out to bolster a goaltending dup makes sense. Nieto to a team looking for jam, Acciari to a team looking for a 4C (and in an effort to clear space) both makes sense. Carter to a team if he's willing to waive and if they want vet leadership.

Every one of those guys are meaningless to the team moving forward, sans Neds who I'd love to have back.

If Edmonton "misses" on Jake, I could see something Smith for Foegele+2nd as decent move. Ideally Smith+3rd for Foegele+1st. I'd even toss them Neds if the 1st is coming back.

As I said, there are a TON of moves that Dubas could make. If I'm him, I wouldn't be shy about shipping guys out, especially everyone on that list, even if the return isn't top notch. I'd love to see Nieto and Acciari gone for the mere fact that it will open up roster spots next year.
 
DesertedPenguin said:
The idea could be to get whatever return you can for those pieces, re-sign Jake, and then use the cap space gained to target different types of players in free agency or even in trades for players on teams up against the cap.
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Yes.

Also as for the idea of re-acquiring Jake in the offseason... no guarantee, there. I guess they could have a handshake deal in place but I'm not even sure that's allowed? Besides I feel like I never see that happen and probably for good reason.

I'm just saying all things being equal I'd rather keep the guy who is actually worth a shit and flush the guys that aren't like 70+ percent of the time.
 
I'd like see something like:

Jake for 1st+young roster player
Smith for Bertuzzi
Acciari+Nieto out for whatever
Resign Jake on July 1st

Jake-Sid-Rust
DOC-Malkin-Rakell
Bertuzzi-Eller-FA Signing
WBS/FA-Poulin-Puljujarvi
 
BlindWillyMcHurt said:
Yes.

Also as for the idea of re-acquiring Jake in the offseason... no guarantee, there. I guess they could have a handshake deal in place but I'm not even sure that's allowed? Besides I feel like I never see that happen and probably for good reason.

I'm just saying all things being equal I'd rather keep the guy who is actually worth a shit and flush the guys that aren't like 70+ percent of the time.
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Sure, but if you can’t get him signed by the deadline and he’s saying he wants to see what the market is July 1, then why take that chance…it’s equally likely he signs with the Pens July 1 than any other team if he’s saying he wants to go to market…in that case, the GM is an idiot and should be fired for not trading him for assets at the TDL
 
SEALBound said:
I think most people here, Sullivan Hater or Not (which I AM, to be clear) knew that Pitlick was being kept in WBS because of cap reasons, not because Sullivan hated him or wanted to keep him there. He made too much money to get the call. End of story. Plus, he sucks. He was a throw in (afterthought seems too harsh).

Logically, Smith is the most likely candidate to get sent out.

In fact, looking at the entire roster:
Smith
POJ
Rudwedel
Nedjelkovich
Nieto
Acciari
Carter
Harkins

Are all players I could being moved in one form or another, assuming some waive. Smith out for a similar forward makes a ton of sense. Rudwedel to a team wanting cheap RD insurance makes sense. Neds obviously out to bolster a goaltending dup makes sense. Nieto to a team looking for jam, Acciari to a team looking for a 4C (and in an effort to clear space) both makes sense. Carter to a team if he's willing to waive and if they want vet leadership.

Every one of those guys are meaningless to the team moving forward, sans Neds who I'd love to have back.

If Edmonton "misses" on Jake, I could see something Smith for Foegele+2nd as decent move. Ideally Smith+3rd for Foegele+1st. I'd even toss them Neds if the 1st is coming back.

As I said, there are a TON of moves that Dubas could make. If I'm him, I wouldn't be shy about shipping guys out, especially everyone on that list, even if the return isn't top notch. I'd love to see Nieto and Acciari gone for the mere fact that it will open up roster spots next year.
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Foegle would be a nice re-sign if acquired. He brings an element this lineup lacks and is a consistent 3rd line scorer.
 
BlindWillyMcHurt said:
Honestly if the idea is to just keep Jake and somehow find a way to flush all of Raks, Smith, Rust and whatever other floaters you want to skim off the top of this roster... I'd be more than fine with that, too. Graves could go too for all I care. Think I've already seen enough of that guy. He's about as sharp as a spoon.

Obviously that won't happen. Especially Rust and Graves but I can dream I guess.
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I mean, if we could dump Rust and Smith and just re-sign Jake, I'd be for it.

I just want to get out from Rust's long term deal. He's productive enough when he plays, but the problem is he's a]incredibly streaky and will go 20 game stretches of not producing and b]injury prone. Even if he's producing, you're only getting 55-60 games a season out of him.
 
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BlindWillyMcHurt said:
Yes.

Also as for the idea of re-acquiring Jake in the offseason... no guarantee, there. I guess they could have a handshake deal in place but I'm not even sure that's allowed? Besides I feel like I never see that happen and probably for good reason.

I'm just saying all things being equal I'd rather keep the guy who is actually worth a shit and flush the guys that aren't like 70+ percent of the time.
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Keeping Jake also ensures you have the makings of one, guaranteed productive line for as long as Crosby is around. That enables you to focus on the second line on down, finding ways to maximize Malkin's production in his final years (like a center that pushes him to wing).
 
Sidney the Kidney said:
I mean, if we could dump Rust and Smith and just re-sign Jake, I'd be for it.

I just want to get out from Rust's long term deal. He's productive enough when he plays, but the problem is he's a]incredibly streaky and will go 20 game stretches of not producing and b]injury prone. Even if he's producing, you're only getting 55-60 games a season out of him.
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I don't think you can move Rust at the deadline.

I do think there is a market for Smith and Rakell, even if it's just unremarkable futures, despite their slumps.

I also think that there may be a market for Rust in the offseason.

You could sign Jake, move Smith and Rakell with the idea of replacing them in the offseason, and then see if you can move Rust in a Hornqvist/Neal type of situation.

Or, you keep Rust one more year, and then trade him after July 1, 2026. His NMC is only through the 2025 season.
 
The Penguins downward spiral began when Steigerwald was removed from the primary commentator position. Bring back Steigy and Errey and everything will be fine!
 
It'd be cool if FSG was even half as results-oriented, and emotionally removed as all the Massholes who bitched and whined in here when they first bought the team.

They're a buncha dork ass losers who don't know shit about hockey and have fallen in love with a loser coach and now a GM, in embarrassing fashion, since taking over.
 
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Andy99 said:
You might be right, but God I hope not lol…that would be the height of stupidity…get some young assets

From Dejan today:

• If this thing goes -- OK, keeps going -- south, it won't be Jake Guentzel that's sent out. That's my understanding. There are plenty of other players who can be moved, even it's for the principal purpose of clearing cap space as opposed to hard hockey returns.
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I assume he means it "won't be 'just' Jake Guentzel that's sent out."
 
Well DK's as much of a hockey mind and insider as he is a good employer so there's that.

Yeah, the team's gonna trade Smith and Rakell then use the cap to keep an ever-worsening Jake at 150% cost, and sign some dork loser 3rd liner for $5 million this summer. Full NMC of course, for both.
 
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