Speculation: Penguins off day talk thread: Dont look now, but we are good again!

[cygnus47]

I do think there is a significant element to the league adapting to the way the Penguins played in 2016/2017. Everyone plays with speed now, at least to some degree. I think you could argue there were a couple years recently where the Pens were too slow (and too dumb to play fast despite not having great foot speed). But that excuse is largely gone now.

But I also think that's a great example of why you want to conduct a coaching search in the offseason. Mid-season, you're scrambling to just find someone who is available who you think can provide a spark. In the spring, you can actually do an in-depth interview process to see who has the tools and mindset that's appropriate for your team.

We gave up on playing like 2016 half a decade ago. We do stupid things like bolting the zone randomly, but we don't play uptempo or high pressure any more and we haven't done it for more than a game or two in a long time. We don't aggressively overload or pressure the points or set up puck races. We just make dumb risky plays and overcommit behind the net randomly interspersed through aimless passive crap. We play with a loser's mindset - defend the high risk areas (ish) and hope the opponent makes a horrible unforced error. It's not like we try and we're too slow, we just don't play that system.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Ahahahahahahah holy shit man

That second goal, look at the hustle back and then turns around races up and rips it.

We gave up on playing like 2016 half a decade ago. We do stupid things like bolting the zone randomly, but we don't play uptempo or high pressure any more and we haven't done it for more than a game or two in a long time. We don't aggressively overload or pressure the points or set up puck races. We just make dumb risky plays and overcommit behind the net randomly interspersed through aimless passive crap. We play with a loser's mindset - defend the high risk areas (ish) and hope the opponent makes a horrible unforced error. It's not like we try and we're too slow, we just don't play that system.

System left with Tocchet. When Sullivan's system emerged after the dust of the second cup settled, it became apparent he was never the architect of that system at all.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Y'all, I don't think we're making the playoffs.

 

[NeonKnight]

Y'all, I don't think we're making the playoffs.

Don't be such a pessimist! All we need to to is

 

[pistolpete11]

That second goal, look at the hustle back and then turns around races up and rips it.

Yeah, but shooting it there is a pretty risky play. He might miss the net and then it's a break the other way. It would have been safer, and thus better, to pull up and look for Ruhwedel or Pettersson coming in late.

 

[Malkinstheman]

Y'all, I don't think we're making the playoffs.

What, you don't think the team can go 17-4-2 the rest of the season? Have some faith in the Sullivan

 

[The Old Master]

Y'all, I don't think we're making the playoffs.

nooooooo!

 

[ChaosAgent]

We gave up on playing like 2016 half a decade ago. We do stupid things like bolting the zone randomly, but we don't play uptempo or high pressure any more and we haven't done it for more than a game or two in a long time. We don't aggressively overload or pressure the points or set up puck races. We just make dumb risky plays and overcommit behind the net randomly interspersed through aimless passive crap. We play with a loser's mindset - defend the high risk areas (ish) and hope the opponent makes a horrible unforced error. It's not like we try and we're too slow, we just don't play that system.

This is the realest post on the whole thread. It's a fact. We play turtling hockey.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

There have obviously been a lot of miscues lately... to put it lightly. But I'm over here still basking in the idiocy of picking an oompa loompa off waivers with 1 career NHL goal, sticking him immediately on the top powerplay unit and L2 and then waiving him entirely like a week or so later. Just brilliant player evaluation. Lets you know there are some real hockey wizards in charge, here.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Y'all, I don't think we're making the playoffs.

We just need to go 23-0. We. Can. Do. This.

This is the realest post on the whole thread. It's a fact. We play turtling hockey.

Which is natural when the coach prizes not taking risks over anything else.

 

[Andy99]

Hot take: no disrespect to @DesertedPenguin lol, but if we had made a coaching change in December, we would be in a playoff spot or no worse than 2 points out by now….

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Which is natural when the coach prizes not taking risks over anything else.

"Coach we're well outside the playoff picture, we never fixed the powerplay, and we're doing things like shoving Jeff Carter out on the ice to try to leech a point because it's his 1300th game while the season hangs in the balance!"

"Yes. But at least we played the RIGHT way."

 

[Andy99]

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

I swear if Harkins is good to go and can play tonight over a rightfully deserved Poulin recall, its prove Jesus died in vein while legally changing his middle name to "f***ing".

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Jake out there picking Rust's brain on how he managed to achieve total immunity as it's clearly not merit-based.

 

[Andy99]

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

Guentzel is just wearing a Pens jersey as much as possible before Friday.

 

[Killahpunk]

So looking at the standings we are the same amount of points away from a playoff spot as we are last place in the conference.

 

[wgknestrick]

IIRC, didn't Petr Sykora have some choice words about Dan Bylsma after they won the 09 Cup?

They had a grudge that originated from when they were teammates. Sykora was miles better than Dan. Dan needed to get his revenge some way, and he buried Petr on the bottom lines....for Sully like reasons.

We gave up on playing like 2016 half a decade ago. We do stupid things like bolting the zone randomly, but we don't play uptempo or high pressure any more and we haven't done it for more than a game or two in a long time. We don't aggressively overload or pressure the points or set up puck races. We just make dumb risky plays and overcommit behind the net randomly interspersed through aimless passive crap. We play with a loser's mindset - defend the high risk areas (ish) and hope the opponent makes a horrible unforced error. It's not like we try and we're too slow, we just don't play that system.

Jacques Martin Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

Statistics and Records of Jacques Martin, a hockey player and coach from Ottawa, ONT born Oct 1 1952 who was active from 1969 to 1976.

www.hockeydb.com

Lost this guy as assistant coach. 2016 was probably the best collection of coaches we've had with a good separation of power between them. Sully was still green and allowed his assistants the freedom to dictate.

 

[vodeni]

This is the realest post on the whole thread. It's a fact. We play turtling hockey.

When those dumb mitherf***ers Yohe or Kingerski get salty with their followers questioning Sully, these kind of simple facts about this rotten system should be brought up. We all see the same thing

 

[LOGiK]

When those dumb mitherf***ers Yohe or Kingerski get salty with their followers questioning Sully, these kind of simple facts about this rotten system should be brought up. We all see the same thing

Not watching or buying into and supporting this joke of a FO/organization/business and don't really care what anyone says until HCMS is exiled good and far from penguins hockey... the boycott shall remain.

 

[Sike Mullivan]

They had a grudge that originated from when they were teammates. Sykora was miles better than Dan. Dan needed to get his revenge some way, and he buried Petr on the bottom lines....for Sully like reasons.

Jacques Martin Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

Statistics and Records of Jacques Martin, a hockey player and coach from Ottawa, ONT born Oct 1 1952 who was active from 1969 to 1976.

www.hockeydb.com

Lost this guy as assistant coach. 2016 was probably the best collection of coaches we've had with a good separation of power between them. Sully was still green and allowed his assistants the freedom to dictate.

Are there any modern versions of Martin floating around? Someone in the ilk of Guy Boucher, smother the neutral zone and then counter attack. Nobody is really to blame except father time, but the oldest roster in the league just cant play a speed system anymore.

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

When those dumb mitherf***ers Yohe or Kingerski get salty with their followers questioning Sully, these kind of simple facts about this rotten system should be brought up. We all see the same thing

Kan Dingerski is as useless as tits on chicken.

 

[Gold Diamond]

What, you don't think the team can go 17-4-2 the rest of the season? Have some faith in the Sullivan

They are more likely to go 4-17-2 instead.

 

[SomeDude]

They are more likely to go 4-17-2 instead.

Quite the optimist. The team that showed up in Calgary and Edmonton is incapable of winning an NHL game.