Post-Game Talk: Penguin III

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We've seen this rationalization before. 2014.
Im not sure what you are saying. Everything he said was true and this year has nothing to do with 2014. This is a young, talented team that hasn't made the playoffs in 5 years and still needs time to learn and grow. Nobody was expecting a cup run, not this year at least.
 
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I really have to disagree with you on this. You should spend as much as is required on the best goalie available. If you break it down minutes played per game per position ....Goalie dollars are bar far the best investment a team can make.
There are severely diminishing returns though. I argued this until I was blue in the face for the entirety of Hank’s career. The best goalie is not better enough than the fifteenth best goalie to justify getting paid twice as much in a cap world.

The Rangers are lucky to have Shesterkin on a reasonable deal right now. They shouldn’t resign him for market value as a UFA.

It’s like the faceoff thing we also argue about. Yes, they are not as important as they sometimes seem. But this assumes you are at least league average at them.

You need to have a mid level goalie that can get hot.

You need to have players that can win faceoffs at a league average rate.

You need to have high end skill that shows up in the forward and defense corps.
 
Missed the game because I was at the Frankie Valli concert at Radio City. Saw the updates so I went from annoyed to hopefull to WTF?? They should take lessons from Mr V. That f*** is 88 and is still KILLING it.
 
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I understand what you are saying and I'm not arguing that the goaltender carried the team but would those teams have won if they just received average goaltending. I seem to remember Quick, Crawford, MAF, Osgood, Vasilevskiy all having very good playoffs. We stand a much better chance if Shesty is Shesty and not the imposter that showed up tonight.
Quick, Crawfrod, MAF, and Osgood had very good playoffs but they've also had terrible playoffs. That's my point. It's random. You hope for the best. Better and more well-paid goalies aren't really less random. Hank had some bad playoff runs and some absolutely abysmal series. It's an up down position and even the best goaltenders have never really demonstrated the ability to be less up and down. Shesterkin has low-key been bad since like Janaury in a season he's going to win the Vezina.

Vasilevskiy might be an exception but yes, the Lightning would have won if they received average goaltending.

Shesterkin peaks higher, but there isn't less of a chance over a small sample that he's gonna implode versus the chance that Joe Schmoe implodes. Four times in his career, Brodeur had a meltdown and went out in the first round. Roy won three Smythes and also had six playoffs where he finished below .910.

Goaltending is random. It's most cost-effective to make your team good enough to not need it.
 
Im sorry, but I disagree. This team is soft. I do credit them for coming back to tie it. They're a good comeback team, but I just don't like the finesse style of this team. They don't go to the net hard enough. They don't play the walls tough enough. They don't shoot hard consistently enough.
I’m not talking about style though. I agree they can’t be doing cross-ice passes and all the cute stuff at even strength. Save it for the power play. This team has the ability to create havoc and the talent to finish after scrambles. But they too often settle for low percentage passes.
When I say they’re not soft, I mean they don’t cave in mentally when they’re down.
 
Im not sure what you are saying. Everything he said was true and this year has nothing to do with 2014. This is a young, talented team that hasn't made the playoffs in 5 years and still needs time to learn and grow. Nobody was expecting a cup run, not this year at least.
Did I say we're going to win the Cup? I just commented that no rationalization is gonna convince me that we should be up in this series 3-0. If only this didn't happen, or if this went didn't get called off... as someone pointed out earlier, we got 3 PP chances IN A ROW. In Pittsburgh, ok? We couldn't put them away. Domingue robbed Panarin big time. Getting robbed. Blowing opportunities to put the dagger in. Story of this franchise.
 
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I’m not talking about style though. I agree they can’t be doing cross-ice passes and all the cute stuff at even strength. Save it for the power play. This team has the ability to create havoc and the talent to finish after scrambles. But they too often settle for low percentage passes.
When I say they’re not soft, I mean they don’t cave in mentally when they’re down.
No, I agree that they have intestinal and mental fortitude. But they're too cute trying to accomplish things that sometimes require brute force. Not enough jam.
 
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Missed the game because I was at the Frankie Valli concert at Radio City. Saw the updates so I went from annoyed to hopefull to WTF?? They should take lessons from Mr V. That f*** is 88 and is still KILLING it.
Shit. So we’ve got to deal with Crosby for like 50 more years??? Argh.

No, I agree that they have intestinal and mental fortitude. But they're too cute trying to accomplish things that sometimes require brute force. Not enough jam.
Oh for sure. For example, I was screaming at Kakko trying to force a cross-ice pass from below the right circle with like 4 mins remaining. That’s exactly where you shoot it and storm the net.
 
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Did I say we're going to win the Cup? I just commented that no rationalization is gonna convince me that we should be up in this series 3-0.
He didn't say we should, he said we could, and he is correct. The Rangers have been tied or ahead in this series except for about 35 minutes.
 
Goaltending is random. It's most cost-effective to make your team good enough to not need it.
Despite Tampa having built ideal playoff teams, they don’t win shit without Vasilevsky.

Do the Rangers finish second in the metro without Igor’s stellar season? f*** No.

Shesterkin’s CH% has been almost half of Lundqvists last two extensions. (6.95% vs 13.67% + 13.22%).

I don’t care how good your team is. You’re not going anywhere without goaltending. I’m not saying you need a superstar in net. But you need a quality goalie. We’re not paying Igor superstar money like we did with Hank.
 
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Is Shesterkin tired? I was listening to the Jeff Marek show on Friday. Elliotte Friedman mentioned Kelly Hrudey and Kevin Bieksa told him they felt Shersterkin looked tired to them in game 2. Elliotte didn't agree with them. Sheshterkin did look off today. He was not sharp. He looked a little tired. Mentally? Physically?

Better be mental because Igor’s been more than rested, yet Gallant just said he wanted to rest him/change momentum after it was 4-1. But I call bullshit on the physical part. Igor had one start in nine days heading into to Game 1 and got days off between Games 1, 2, and 3.

Richter played 68 games in 1994; Henrik played 63 in 2014. Igor played in 53 this season. Biggest workload of his career, but still. Love Igor, but Hart candidates shouldn’t need rest in the middle of Round 1.
 
No, I agree that they have intestinal and mental fortitude. But they're too cute trying to accomplish things that sometimes require brute force. Not enough jam.
Ideally they’d play that gritty game at even strength and save the fancy stuff for the power play and odd man rushes. I guess that’s easier said than done. I wonder if Drury would consider trading one of their more passive guys, for a more aggressive guy. Maybe that was part of the thinking with the Buch trade. (Circumstances different of course). Clearly that was the idea behind acquiring Vatrano. it’s a fine-tuning thing, as I think the team is largely excellent. But need a couple more shooters.
 
Did I say we're going to win the Cup? I just commented that no rationalization is gonna convince me that we should be up in this series 3-0. If only this didn't happen, or if this went didn't get called off... as someone pointed out earlier, we got 3 PP chances IN A ROW. In Pittsburgh, ok? We couldn't put them away. Domingue robbed Panarin big time. Getting robbed. Blowing opportunities to put the dagger in. Story of this franchise.
No kidding. We blew it with the 3 PP's and not scoring. We just didn't get it done but we didn't get bitch slapped either and the game could have gone either way. That was the original poster's point.
 
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Despite Tampa having built ideal playoff teams, they don’t win shit without Vasilevsky.

Do the Rangers finish second in the metro without Igor’s stellar season? f*** No.

Shesterkin’s CH% has been almost half of Lundqvists last two extensions. (6.95% vs 13.67% + 13.22%).

I don’t care how good your team is. You’re not going anywhere without goaltending. I’m not saying you need a superstar in net. But you need a quality goalie. We’re not paying Igor superstar money like we did with Hank.
No and that's fine.

When his current deal is over, he's going to command like $12m. He's not getting it from me.
 
Vatrano: B
Rooney: B
Kakko: B-
Panarin: B-
Chytil: C
Fox: C
Lafreniere: C
Strome: C
Hunt: C-
Miller: C-
Shesterkin: C-
Copp: D
Braun: D
Schneider: F
Kreider: F
Zibanejad: F
Trouba: F
Nemeth: F
Georgiev: F
Reaves: Incomplete (where was he?)
How does Gerogiev get an F but Shestyorkin gets a C-?

Georgiev stopped 19 of 20 while Shestyorkin stopped 11 of 15

Theres no need to hate on Georgiev because the game didnt go their way. He most certainly did his job tonight
 
I thought Vatrano was the weak link in the top six coming into the series, and he’s been great, that was an unreal trade by Drury, even as a pure rental.
 
Tell Kravtsov to book his flight. It’s our only hope.
Just imagine the Pens seeing him emerge from the tunnel with those dirty blonde locs flowing out of his helmet as he skates out in warmups, it would send shivers down their spines. Maybe this was the plan all along and they’re going to play a mental game by playing the Krav card when they least expect it.

You should write novels, aside from the slightly disturbing Krav chat, your imagery is always top notch 😜
 
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That discussion is for another time. So many things can happen between now and then. Very premature at this point.
I said it was something to worry about later.

Right now we're in a good place with Shesterkin. He's not breaking us cap-wise.

I'm sure not looking to get rid of him. For what, to bring in another goaltender? I'm gonna hate that one like I hate all of them.
 
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Better be mental because Igor’s been more than rested, yet Gallant just said he wanted to rest him/change momentum after it was 4-1. But I call bullshit on the physical part. Igor had one start in nine days heading into to Game 1 and got days off between Games 1, 2, and 3.

Richter played 68 games in 1994; Henrik played 63 in 2014. Igor played in 53 this season. Biggest workload of his career, but still. Love Igor, but Hart candidates shouldn’t need rest in the middle of Round 1.
Igor is not Hank nor Richter and like you said 53 games is a career high for him. He also played nearly 3 games of very intense hockey with a ton of shots against in the last 5 days. He made 79 saves in that triple OT game and about 37 in game two. That's a lot of work in those games and yeah I could see him being a little fatigued. He also got hit hard the last game so maybe that had something to do with it also.
 
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