Player Discussion Pavel Buchnevich Part V

[chosen]

This might be the most useless post ever made on hfboards

I mean really?

The point you made was to say that we should be patient with Buch because of his age. I agree, but you tried to paint it as unfair to compare him with guys like Crosby.

I merely pointed out that there are plenty of players younger than Buch that are outperforming him, to date, almost all of whom I would trade for Buch.

Buch might become a legit star. We don't know, yet, but no matter how much we want it to happen, it may not.

Saying he is not great yet is not an insult even if you take it that way.

 

[UnSandvich]

• Matthews (1st overall)
• Eichel (2nd)
• Pastrnak (25th)
• Barkov (2nd)
• Marner (4th)
• Boeser (23rd)
• Barzal (16th)
• Rantanen (10th)
• Monahan (6th)
• Draisaitl (4th)
• Nylander (8th)
• Tkachuk (6th)
• Provorov (7th)
• Keller (7th)
• Point (79th)
• Aho (35th)
• Dubois (3rd)
• Werenski (8th)
  
  Considering nearly all of those are Top 10 draft choices, I'm not exactly why you're concerned they're outproducing him. Especially when Point is the only one picked lower than him

 

[chosen]

• Matthews (1st overall)
• Eichel (2nd)
• Pastrnak (25th)
• Barkov (2nd)
• Marner (4th)
• Boeser (23rd)
• Barzal (16th)
• Rantanen (10th)
• Monahan (6th)
• Draisaitl (4th)
• Nylander (8th)
• Tkachuk (6th)
• Provorov (7th)
• Keller (7th)
• Point (79th)
• Aho (35th)
• Dubois (3rd)
• Werenski (8th)
  
  Considering nearly all of those are Top 10 draft choices, I'm not exactly why you're concerned they're outproducing him. Especially when Point is the only one picked lower than him

Where did I say I was concerned?

I only pointed out that some here are assuming stardom for a player because he is young and talented.

It might happen, but the odds are against it.

I'll be ecstatic if he becomes a 1st liner, but I won't be crushed if he tops out as a 2nd liner.

 

[Rangers in 7]

The point you made was to say that we should be patient with Buch because of his age. I agree, but you tried to paint it as unfair to compare him with guys like Crosby.

I merely pointed out that there are plenty of players younger than Buch that are outperforming him, to date, almost all of whom I would trade for Buch.

Buch might become a legit star. We don't know, yet, but no matter how much we want it to happen, it may not.

Saying he is not great yet is not an insult even if you take it that way.

My argument is your using like 98% of players picked well ahead of him and I still think he will be able to put up 70-80 points if used properly and he continues to fill out

 

[Kovalev27]

This kid is lazier than me on a Sunday afternoon.

Why people defend laziness is beyond me. Shouldn’t matter how old he is or what country he’s from. He’s got all the talent in the world. He doesn’t skate he doesn’t engage. He always looks like he’s pouting on the bench. Go earn your ice time before you get blown passed on the depth chart by the new kids coming in.

 

[nyr2k2]

This kid is lazier than me on a Sunday afternoon.

Why people defend laziness is beyond me. Shouldn’t matter how old he is or what country he’s from. He’s got all the talent in the world. He doesn’t skate he doesn’t engage. He always looks like he’s pouting on the bench. Go earn your ice time before you get blown passed on the depth chart by the new kids coming in.

The guy in your handle was often labeled lazy, disinterested and underachieving.

 

[Kovalev27]

Please don’t do it. Don’t compare Alex Kovalev a big game player. A Cup winner. A horse. Maybe one of the most skilled guys to ever play the game Vs this guy. Please don’t do it.

If buchnevich was that talented I’d shut up. Since he’s not he’s gotta work a bit harder instead of acting like he’s the best guy on the rink and doesn’t need to.

 

[nyr2k2]

Not comparing their abilities. I just find it funny that you kill Buchnevich for being lazy and disinterested when the guy you name yourself after was arguably the catalyst for the "lazy Russian" stereotype. Sorry to strike a raw nerve.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Please don’t do it. Don’t compare Alex Kovalev a big game player. A Cup winner. A horse. Maybe one of the most skilled guys to ever play the game Vs this guy. Please don’t do it.

If buchnevich was that talented I’d shut up. Since he’s not he’s gotta work a bit harder instead of acting like he’s the best guy on the rink and doesn’t need to.

Not comparing their abilities. I just find it funny that you kill Buchnevich for being lazy and disinterested when the guy you name yourself after was arguably the catalyst for the "lazy Russian" stereotype. Sorry to strike a raw nerve.

^^^ Yuuup. And I say that as a guy who bought a Kovalev authentic jersey the moment the Rangers won the cup in '94.

And I'm sorry, @Kovalev27, your posting/opinion reeks of a hindsight judgment of Alexei the player. Go back and look at his stats as a Ranger – playing pre-trap with Messier, Graves, Gretzky, Leetch, etc. – before being traded to the Pens.

Not saying Buch doesn't have to work on this aspect of his game/personality; he absolutely does. Nor am I saying he's absolutely guaranteed to wind up with the same career as Alex; he by no means is.

But at this stage in their respective careers, the parallels are pretty friggin' close.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Please don’t do it. Don’t compare Alex Kovalev a big game player. A Cup winner. A horse. Maybe one of the most skilled guys to ever play the game Vs this guy. Please don’t do it.

If buchnevich was that talented I’d shut up. Since he’s not he’s gotta work a bit harder instead of acting like he’s the best guy on the rink and doesn’t need to.

But you weren't criticizing Buchnevich' talent. You were talking about how lazy he is. And Kovalev was also labeled as lazy. And labeled pretty f***ing dumb as well. Keenan once had him on the ice for a 2 minute shift to punish him, and he thought it was a compliment.

I loved Kovalev as a player FYI

My honest opinion is that it's ridiculous to call players lazy. They aren't. Just because they don't skate like the wind in every direction, doesn't make them lazy. There's so much more to it than that. Lazy players will never make it to the NHL.

 

[Kovalev27]

Buchnevich does not have half the talent of Alex Kovalev. If he did maybe I’d look past some of his laziness. But he doesn’t. He should have been sent to the minors. When you’re that skilled maybe you can get away with it a bit. Buchnevich is not. He’s entitled he and people here think he deserves top line ice time. He doesn’t.


When Alex Kovalev was on the ice you knew it. He made things happen. Buchnevich you don’t even know he’s dressed half the time. Comparing the two is silly.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Nobody gets 1/10th the skills Kovy had without a crazy amount of practice (often alone). There may have been a handful of times where he mailed in the effort but the guy had to work extremely hard at other times to get to his level. Nobody is born with those hands, shot, or skating skills. 1000s of hours were put in trying to perfect them.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Nobody gets 1/10th the skills Kovy had without a crazy amount of practice (often alone). There may have been a handful of times where he mailed in the effort but the guy had to work extremely hard at other times to get to his level. Nobody is born with those hands, shot, or skating skills. 1000s of hours were put in trying to perfect them.

Yes, and the same goes for Buchnevich and every other player in the NHL. Calling them lazy is ridiculous

 

[Synergy27]

Alex Kovalev was for sure a lazy player. He was so good though that he was still a first liner even when dogging it. The guy could have been the best player in the world if he cared to in my opinion. And yes, the 27 in my handle is inspired by him.

Buchnevich? I think we all have unrealistic expectations for him. He was a third round pick for a reason. If he settles in as a second liner we should be ecstatic.

 

[kovazub94]

It was Buch’s first real chance to represent Russia at that level. He had to take advantage of an opportunity to be on the national team. Was he ready to be at the top of his game physically or mentally? Not more than toward the end of the Rangers regular season. Would I make long term conclusions based on it? Absolutely not. He should take an advantage of the offseason again to get stronger, improve endurance and continue to work on his skills. Becoming a legitimate first liner is definitely within a reach. Maybe as soon as next season. Very possibly a season after it.

 

[UnSandvich]

I personally think he's a 1st liner now. He was a perfect complementary piece for Kreids and Zibby, while getting his own offense in as well. Bear in mind also that he had a concussion this year. If we can get a full, healthy year from the 3, I think they'll all set career highs. The chemistry that line has is unreal

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

I hear you have a player you're not happy with....

Spoiler

 

[Richard Banger]

I'd like to see Buch under a new coach. But I say the same for ADA and Vesey. After I've seen them under Quinn then I'll start to judge them.

 

[NickyFotiu]

But you weren't criticizing Buchnevich' talent. You were talking about how lazy he is. And Kovalev was also labeled as lazy. And labeled pretty ****ing dumb as well. Keenan once had him on the ice for a 2 minute shift to punish him, and he thought it was a compliment.

I loved Kovalev as a player FYI

My honest opinion is that it's ridiculous to call players lazy. They aren't. Just because they don't skate like the wind in every direction, doesn't make them lazy. There's so much more to it than that. Lazy players will never make it to the NHL.

Kovy actually played a 5 minute shift once if I recall and he drew 2 separate penalties from the Bruins (I think) during that shift lol.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Labels are sometimes misleading. Sometimes one person says something and other people just parrot it. Mario was called a floater early in his career. Gretz and Mike Bossy were called all sorts of things as well. There are very few guys in the NHL that have not taken shifts off at times. All players mail in a shift here and there. Some do it too often but none of these players are robots. One former Ranger gets smothered with parroted compliments for his defensive ability while I saw him make some of the laziest defensive changes (instead of backchecking) around over the years. If a great player (not Buch) hustles like heck and puts up great production for 90% of his minutes but floats in 10% sometimes the 90% gets overlooked a bit while the 10% gets accentuated.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Kovy actually played a 5 minute shift once if I recall and he drew 2 separate penalties from the Bruins (I think) during that shift lol.

And scored a goal.

 

[Irishguy42]

Buchnevich having a good offseason, I see.

 

[Ola]

There are no weights in Soviet, Russia. Someone should send him some. Anyone know how that crow funding or whatever its called works?

 

[darko]

In b4 he should be focusing on hockey.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

When Alex Kovalev was on the ice you knew it.

Revisionist history. The knock on him was that too often the opposite of the above was true.