Confirmed with Link: Paul Maurice signs 3 year deal to be head coach of the Florida Panthers (update 3/3/2023 given vote of confidence by Bill Zito)

[Gentle Man]

They were worse under Capuano.

Not the PK

 

[Dread Clawz]

They were worse under Capuano.

Capuano? Lol wtf? Sure, they were worse under Jacques Martin too....I'm talking about with this roster.

 

[Howboutthempanthers]

I completely disagree. Obviously you want experience, but the most experienced coaches out there were awful. I don't understand why people are so terrified of new blood. Every season there are multiple retread coaches who flop. Every season there's a new guy who was finally given a chance and succeeds.

The locker room already experienced Quenneville. They've seen and learned from the best. Maurice isn't going to fill his shoes.

The reason why people think that, is because there is only one winning coach every year. That's going to leave a lot of unhappy fans, and have the perception their coach sucks. I'm not saying they're all great, but they're not all as bad as the perception. If there were all new coaches, there still would be only one winning coach each year, and a lot of unhappy fans. I mean, old or new coach, it's all the same. One just has experience. Maybe a new coach might work, but with this group's window, I like the chance that an experienced coach might not need time to get better.
Right now we can't say for sure which will be the right one. But I like the odds with the experienced coach better. This is only because of the window for this group. If they were younger, then it would be a different story. Then experienced or non experienced, I wouldn't mind.

 

[Gentle Man]

Capuano? Lol wtf? Sure, they were worse under Jacques Martin too....I'm talking about with this roster.

Not even.

Our PK was actually over 80%

 

[ProjectPanthers]

Willing to wait and see with this move. Maurice is a mix of players coach with a no-bullshit attitude.

His playoff record is concerning, I will say that. But this is a new team and a different group of guys. He was in Winnipeg for a loooooong time. Let's see how this plays out.

 

[kerrabria]

Not the PK

I wasn't really referring to the PK. Not sure if Capuano was even in charge of that. But yeah, Ulf was bad at that. I was keying in more on the blue line which was a nightmare under Capuano.

Capuano? Lol wtf? Sure, they were worse under Jacques Martin too....I'm talking about with this roster.

Even relative to the talent, Capuano's handling of our blue line was some of the worst I've ever seen. Ulf needed to go, but you're overstating how bad he was. It could be much, much worse.

 

[Dread Clawz]

Our players weren't even born when Maurice was coaching the mid-90s Whalers/Canes. Anything before the cap era should be totally irrelevant. It's a completely different game (from the play style, play abilities, culture, and rules on the ice).

And the 2008-11 Canes had plenty of talent to work with. They didn't have high end talent on the blue line, but a defensive coach should be able to make that work when he has great centers, a great goalie, and scoring support.

Hockey is hockey. Player abilities on a general scale aren't that much different than the mid 90s. Play style? Rules? Yes.

2008-11 Canes were not good. Great centers? Like Cullen and Rod? We know all about Cullen. Solid 30-40 pt center but not much outside of that in his career. Rod was in the twilight of his career by then.

 

[ScottyMascotty]

 

[kerrabria]

The reason why people think that, is because there is only one winning coach every year. That's going to leave a lot of unhappy fans, and have the perception their coach sucks. I'm not saying they're all great, but they're not all as bad as the perception. If there were all new coaches, there still would be only one winning coach each year, and a lot of unhappy fans. I mean, old or new coach, it's all the same. One just has experience. Maybe a new coach might work, but with this group's window, I like the chance that an experienced coach might not need time to get better.
Right now we can't say for sure which will be the right one. But I like the odds with the experienced coach better. This is only because of the window for this group. If they were younger, then it would be a different story. Then experienced or non experienced, I wouldn't mind.

I don't think this is accurate. People don't think coaches suck because they don't win the cup. People think coaches suck because wherever they go, they either
a) choke in the playoffs (e.g., Boudreau, Vigneault)
b) are visibly bad at their jobs and mismanage the roster into a lottery spot (Yeo, Tippett)
c) lack creativity and have a long track record of underachieving (e.g., Hynes, Maurice, Ruff)

 

[Dread Clawz]

Even relative to the talent, Capuano's handling of our blue line was some of the worst I've ever seen. Ulf needed to go, but you're overstating how bad he was. It could be much, much worse.

If we can't do better than Ulf for D and PK, then we as an organization don't deserve to win the Cup. And I'm not overstating it. D and PK were horrible in the playoffs. We let every shot in from everywhere on the ice. We didn't collapse and we didn't eliminate perimeter shots either. Ulf is totally clueless.

 

[Crossbar]

Would have preferred Trotz (obviously) or Montgomery over Maurice, very likeable guy, but is the defense and special teams really going to improve under him? Idk

 

[Luongoisthegoat]

When will it be then!

50 years down the line: "Just a couple more years and then our window will be open!"



I feel like me and you are on the same page for most things. Must be a European thing! haha

Bob was average in the playoffs, we will never win a cup with him in net. It’s time for spencer to take over the net.

 

[Dread Clawz]

PoMo: "I can't get these guys to the next level, they need a new, different voice..."

Zito: "This is our guy! This our guy!"

You left out the part "...after 9 years."

 

[Gentle Man]

I wasn't really referring to the PK. Not sure if Capuano was even in charge of that. But yeah, Ulf was bad at that. I was keying in more on the blue line which was a nightmare under Capuano.

Even relative to the talent, Capuano's handling of our blue line was some of the worst I've ever seen. Ulf needed to go, but you're overstating how bad he was. It could be much, much worse.

I think Capuano sucks but

Cmon now. He didnt get to work with what Ulf had now.

And 21 year old Ekblad was concucssion-Ekblad

 

[I am not exposed]

Bob was average in the playoffs, we will never win a cup with him in net. It’s time for spencer to take over the net.

Bob was one of our best performers in the playoffs this season. And this is coming from someone who isn't shy from criticising Bob.

 

[Great8Cam]

Would have preferred Trotz (obviously) or Montgomery over Maurice, very likeable guy, but is the defense and special teams really going to improve under him? Idk

No to Montgomery

 

[kerrabria]

Hockey is hockey. Player abilities on a general scale aren't that much different than the mid 90s. Play style? Rules? Yes.

2008-11 Canes were not good. Great centers? Like Cullen and Rod? We know all about Cullen. Solid 30-40 pt center but not much outside of that in his career. Rod was in the twilight of his career by then.

This is a ridiculous comment. "Hockey is hockey" is such a reductive statement that, taken to it's logical conclusion, the different eras of hockey are irrelevant.

Player abilities have changed significantly. The footspeed, skating, athleticism, conditioning, and offensive capabilities of d-men are light years ahead of where they were 30 years ago. The lockerroom culture is unrecognizable, which is arguably the most important part of a HC's job. And just the fact that they've changed how holding and interference are called is a big enough rule change for strategy. Let alone two-line passing and the trapezoid.

I oversold the 2008-11 Canes centers by saying they were "great." I was thinking more in the context of the defensive discussion. They didn't have multiple elite centers, but they had an elite 1C and a number of great two-way guys.
- prime Staal (point per game, power-forward)
- Ruutu was a 50 point guy
- Brind'Amour who was still getting Selke votes
- Cullen and Sutter were both very good defensive centers who could pot 40 points
- plus a top 10 goalie and scoring support on the wings

I think Capuano sucks but

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Cmon now. He didnt get to work with what Ulf had now.

And 21 year old Ekblad was concucssion-Ekblad

Ekblad and Yandle were still top pair quality guys under the Bougner regime. Our defensive depth wasn't nearly as good, but I think you're forgetting just how all over the place these guys were. And it wasn't just Matheson. Nobody knew where to be or what they were doing. That level of incompetence simply didn't happen under Ulf. And concussion Ekblad or not, playing under Capuano clearly stunted his growth. Aaron broke out under Ulf.

 

[Dread Clawz]

Not even.

Our PK was actually over 80%

Only because of Lu.

 

[Howboutthempanthers]

I don't think this is accurate. People don't think coaches suck because they don't win the cup. People think coaches suck because wherever they go, they either
a) choke in the playoffs (e.g., Boudreau, Vigneault)
b) are visibly bad at their jobs and mismanage the roster into a lottery spot (Yeo, Tippett)
c) lack creativity and have a long track record of underachieving (e.g., Hynes, Maurice, Ruff)

Well unless they win the cup, they are going have something labeled on them, accurate or not accurate. These are all things due to experience. The new coach doesn't have any of that on his track record, but at the same time he probably has no more abilities as the experienced coach. But without the experience.
By now these experienced coaches will have some spots on their record. It's easy to pull up results to show how "bad" they are. But a new coach simply doesn't have as much of that, so it's all positive. We don't have time to see in real time that the new coach is no different than the retreads.
I'm not saying all experienced coaches are good, and I'm not saying all new coaches are bad. Things are somewhere in the middle. But looking at things in the extremes is not going to get the Panthers to where they want to go.

 

[Mogo]

Disappointed.

Really disappointed.

Can’t wait to see what the new excuse/bashing will be all about, now that we don’t have a rookie coach to blame for EVERYTHING.

I always liked Paul Maurice as a person and his analysis/interviews… But never thought he had IT as a coach… And now we have to see it for ourselves…

I’m just glad Barkov signed his deal last summer. If he hadn’t, he would have been gone right after this last move.

Not excited at all by this hiring, but I guess it will please the vocal ones around this board… Meh.

Already covering your ass. Smart move

Willing to wait and see with this move. Maurice is a mix of players coach with a no-bullshit attitude.

His playoff record is concerning, I will say that. But this is a new team and a different group of guys. He was in Winnipeg for a loooooong time. Let's see how this plays out.

Just curious. What was Trotz playoff record before winning a cup?

 

[kerrabria]

Well unless they win the cup, they are going have something labeled on them, accurate or not accurate. These are all things due to experience. The new coach doesn't have any of that on his track record, but at the same time he probably has no more abilities as the experienced coach. But without the experience.
By now these experienced coaches will have some spots on their record. It's easy to pull up results to show how "bad" they are. But a new coach simply doesn't have as much of that, so it's all positive. We don't have time to see in real time that the new coach is no different than the retreads.
I'm not saying all experienced coaches are good, and I'm not saying all new coaches are bad. Things are somewhere in the middle. But looking at things in the extremes is not going to get the Panthers to where they want to go.

Again, I don't agree with your premise. Not every experienced coach has a highly blemished record.

Quenneville, Laviolette, Trotz, Sutter, Gallant, and Tortorella have all been around forever, and people still want them. Because they've actually earned a fourth and fifth chance. It's unreal how many chances some of these unaccomplished coaches get.

 

[Gentle Man]

Only because of Lu.

Disagree.

San Jose has a good PK also.

I think the one thing Boughner coaches well is the PK

This is a ridiculous comment. "Hockey is hockey" is such a reductive statement that, taken to it's logical conclusion, the different eras of hockey are irrelevant.

Player abilities have changed significantly. The footspeed, skating, athleticism, conditioning, and offensive capabilities of d-men are light years ahead of where they were 30 years ago. The lockerroom culture is unrecognizable, which is arguably the most important part of a HC's job. And just the fact that they've changed how holding and interference are called is a big enough rule change for strategy. Let alone two-line passing and the trapezoid.

I oversold the 2008-11 Canes centers by saying they were "great." I was thinking more in the context of the defensive discussion. They didn't have multiple elite centers, but they had an elite 1C and a number of great two-way guys.
- prime Staal (point per game, power-forward)
- Ruutu was a 50 point guy
- Brind'Amour who was still getting Selke votes
- Cullen and Sutter were both very good defensive centers who could pot 40 points
- plus a top 10 goalie and scoring support on the wings


Ekblad and Yandle were still top pair quality guys under the Bougner regime. Our defensive depth wasn't nearly as good, but I think you're forgetting just how all over the place these guys were. And it wasn't just Matheson. Nobody knew where to be or what they were doing. That level of incompetence simply didn't happen under Ulf. And concussion Ekblad or not, playing under Capuano clearly stunted his growth. Aaron broke out under Ulf.

I was never a fan of Yandle before the signing, during, or now after.

I highly disagree Yandle was a top pair quality defenseman. He was a PP specialist in every sense of the word.

 

[ProjectPanthers]

Already covering your ass. Smart move



Just curious. What was Trotz playoff record before winning a cup?

An abysmal .380.

In hockey, you're always a loser until you're not. That's just how it goes.

 

[kerrabria]

Disagree.

San Jose has a good PK also.

I think the one thing Boughner coaches well is the PK



I was never a fan of Yandle before the signing, during, or now after.

I highly disagree Yandle was a top pair quality defenseman. He was a PP specialist in every sense of the word.

I was not a fan of the Yandle signing either because of the cap hit, but he was a good, offensive 2/3D for his first two or three seasons here. Granted, the Yandle - Ekblad pairing was in over it's head as the top pair.

 

[Dread Clawz]

This is a ridiculous comment. "Hockey is hockey" is such a reductive statement that, taken to it's logical conclusion, the different eras of hockey are irrelevant.

Player abilities have changed significantly. The footspeed, skating, athleticism, conditioning, and offensive capabilities of d-men are light years ahead of where they were 30 years ago. The lockerroom culture is unrecognizable, which is arguably the most important part of a HC's job. And just the fact that they've changed how holding and interference are called is a big enough rule change for strategy. Let alone two-line passing and the trapezoid.

We're not comparing today's game to the 50's here. It's not that different than hockey in the mid 90s. I watch vintage 90s games all the time. Sure, footspeed, skating, athleticism have improved. But not to such an overwhelming degree that good players from the 90s couldn't still play today. They'd also benefit from current skates and equipment. That has a lot to do with how much faster the game looks today. No doubt d-men are a different breed today, but there were still a lot of puck moving d-men back then who could aid in transition. All the top D getting drafted back then were offensive D or two-way guys who could skate and contribute offensively. It wasn't like teams were just focusing on goon d-men.

Maurice has always been a players coach with great communication skills. So I think he's always gotten along well with his team, he's also still pretty young for a HC. No doubt the ruled are a lot different today, but it's not like mid-90s hockey is some antiquated style of hockey. Remember, the team we were chasing for the goals record this season was 95-96 Pens.