Player Discussion Patrik Laine: ruining the tank

[Estimated_Prophet]

His entire issue is being a head case. I don't put any stock in this mental health stuff he's been on about. In terms of his physical gifts he was born to replace Teemu Selänne as the Finnish GOAT, but he doesn't have the attitude. He's only ever been good when the game is easy for him. If anything this mental health stuff is going to further impede him achieving his destiny. The second he encounters adversity he's going to retreat into his security blanket again.

How do you know that mental health hasn't always been the issue?

All due respect but having such strong opinions about his mental health that are in opposition to what he is saying is a troubling position to take and is not one that I would ever endorse.

Calling him a "head case" and refuting his mental health claims without any evidence or expertise to speak on the topic is a bad look and I am not sure where your subjective line in the sand between "head case" and mental illness has been drawn but you should reconsider such harsh and ill informed claims.

 

[NotProkofievian]

How do you know that mental health hasn't always been the issue?

All due respect but having such strong opinions about his mental health that are in opposition to what he is saying is a troubling position to take and is not one that I would ever endorse.

Calling him a "head case" and refuting his mental health claims without any evidence or expertise to speak on the topic is a bad look and I am not sure where your subjective line in the sand between "head case" and mental illness has been drawn but you should reconsider such harsh and ill informed claims.

This is kinda the thing. Mental health is a meme now, you just have to say "mental health" and everyone has to fall in line. Unrelated, but this weekend I was a dinner party and one of the guests said that the reason Finland spends so much on defense is because of "generational trauma that has been left unaddressed." Not, you know, the very real possibility of a military threat from the east. No, the dimestore tiktok psychology is probably the best explanation. This stuff has long since jumped the shark.

You say my claims are ill informed, but Im just unmoved and unconvinced. Are you really so much more well informed? Or are you just another leaf blowing in the wind?

 

[Hacketts]

His entire issue is being a head case. I don't put any stock in this mental health stuff he's been on about. In terms of his physical gifts he was born to replace Teemu Selänne as the Finnish GOAT, but he doesn't have the attitude. He's only ever been good when the game is easy for him. If anything this mental health stuff is going to further impede him achieving his destiny. The second he encounters adversity he's going to retreat into his security blanket again.

good to know hockey comes easy for him in the playoffs and playing for his country.

 

[VT]

This is kinda the thing. Mental health is a meme now, you just have to say "mental health" and everyone has to fall in line. Unrelated, but this weekend I was a dinner party and one of the guests said that the reason Finland spends so much on defense is because of "generational trauma that has been left unaddressed." Not, you know, the very real possibility of a military threat from the east. No, the dimestore tiktok psychology is probably the best explanation. This stuff has long since jumped the shark.

You say my claims are ill informed, but Im just unmoved and unconvinced. Are you really so much more well informed? Or are you just another leaf blowing in the wind?

Speaking to Finnish media, he said it all started with the death of his father. Then came insomnia, depression, injuries, which worsened his relationships, he lost his taste for everything he used to enjoy. At CBJ John Davidson, Johnny Gaudreau said it was very serious, before this season Mathieu Olivier (Mathieu that already two seasons) and Adam Fantilli (only one season but he has played one season less in CBJ than Olivier) said he admitted he needed help, in an interview after Patrik entered the program Nikolaj Ehlers said he hoped Patrik will want to continue playing hockey.

Btw, he played better for us when the game was more important, more difficult.

EDIT:

Mathieu Olivier: Comment définit-on Patrik Laine? | «Du talent plein les oreilles» -Mathieu Olivier
Adam Fantilli: https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/colum...resses-patrik-laine-and-locker-room-situation
Johnny Gaudreau: it was video after CBJ fans about Patrik Laine suicide
John Davidson: https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/colum...on-i-dont-get-it-i-swear-to-god-i-dont-get-it
Finnish media: Patrik Laine syöksyi pimeyteen isänsä kuoltua â nyt hän haluaa puhua elämänsä parhaasta päätöksestä (read it, it is more precisely)


So no histoires fictives

 

[OneSharpMarble]

His entire issue is being a head case. I don't put any stock in this mental health stuff he's been on about. In terms of his physical gifts he was born to replace Teemu Selänne as the Finnish GOAT, but he doesn't have the attitude. He's only ever been good when the game is easy for him. If anything this mental health stuff is going to further impede him achieving his destiny. The second he encounters adversity he's going to retreat into his security blanket again.

You don't put any stock in him saying he has mental health issues? Yeah he's just making it all up because he is lazy or some other nonsense. Got any more stone age takes?

 

[HuGort]

I just hope he last until end of season

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

This is kinda the thing. Mental health is a meme now, you just have to say "mental health" and everyone has to fall in line. Unrelated, but this weekend I was a dinner party and one of the guests said that the reason Finland spends so much on defense is because of "generational trauma that has been left unaddressed." Not, you know, the very real possibility of a military threat from the east. No, the dimestore tiktok psychology is probably the best explanation. This stuff has long since jumped the shark.

You say my claims are ill informed, but Im just unmoved and unconvinced. Are you really so much more well informed? Or are you just another leaf blowing in the wind?

I am not claiming to be more informed but it is only yourself that is making a bold declaration on this topic. I am saying that you, like myself should not have an opinion on this topic one way or the other. Neither of us know him at all and to make sweeping assertions of "dimestore tiktok psychology" in this case is disingenuous and not aligned in anyway with evidence to support such a conclusion.

I just don't understand how you can act like a dismissal of his claim without evidence is different than the opposite assertion that you flippantly label as "another leaf blowing in the wind". By your own model you should acknowledge that your claim has no more value than those that you would say blindly believe what they are being told. The proper response that is aligned with civility and respect is clearly on the side that allows the person making a claim on their health to be shown due respect until there is compelling evidence to suggest otherwise.

You are one of the smarter posters around here and I have to admit that I am surprised that you would engage in such rhetoric. Do people lie about such things and use the sympathy of others to their advantage, yes......but that is the exception in my experience and to act as though cynicism should be the default reaction is toxic and unnecessary. I am the first one to call out a bull s*****r but I give the benefit of the doubt to claims of illness as anyone who is interested in healthy civil discourse should do.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Speaking to Finnish media, he said it all started with the death of his father. Then came insomnia, depression, injuries, which worsened his relationships, he lost his taste for everything he used to enjoy. At CBJ John Davidson, Johnny Gaudreau said it was very serious, before this season Mathieu Olivier (Mathieu that already two seasons) and Adam Fantilli (only one season but he has played one season less in CBJ than Olivier) said he admitted he needed help, in an interview after Patrik entered the program Nikolaj Ehlers said he hoped Patrik will want to continue playing hockey.

Btw, he played better for us when the game was more important, more difficult.

EDIT:

Mathieu Olivier: Comment définit-on Patrik Laine? | «Du talent plein les oreilles» -Mathieu Olivier
Adam Fantilli: https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/colum...resses-patrik-laine-and-locker-room-situation
Johnny Gaudreau: it was video after CBJ fans about Patrik Laine suicide
John Davidson: https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/colum...on-i-dont-get-it-i-swear-to-god-i-dont-get-it
Finnish media: Patrik Laine syöksyi pimeyteen isänsä kuoltua â nyt hän haluaa puhua elämänsä parhaasta päätöksestä (read it, it is more precisely)


So no histoires fictives

I never said anything about the magnitude of the games, but when things come easily including for the national team he's amazing. Things stop working for him? Not so much. Doesn't have the ability to turn it around. I personally think this mental health thing is just the perfect cover, the thing he can say that everyone will just believe without question.


And we'll, here you all are, eating out of his hand like baby squirrels.

 

[Skip Bayless]

Laine's mental health is clearly a money grab. He can't fool me, I am familiar with his game.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Just This year?

Oh buddy, I’ve been wrong before and will be wrong again. Not the first time won’t be the last.

This club should’ve been so much better.

 

[Saundies]

Return of the King

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I never said anything about the magnitude of the games, but when things come easily including for the national team he's amazing. Things stop working for him? Not so much. Doesn't have the ability to turn it around. I personally think this mental health thing is just the perfect cover, the thing he can say that everyone will just believe without question.


And we'll, here you all are, eating out of his hand like baby squirrels.

These things are tricky, i remember watching Stephane Richer have a great season followed by a mediocre one then a great one, then another mediocre year… He was deemed moody, lazy, selfish… and then got traded.

Then the day after he won the cup with the Devils he was sitting in a room debating whether or not he should kill hilself. It made no sense to him. It should’ve been the happiest day of his life but he was suicidal. That’s when he went for help.

How can any of us know what’s going on inside a person’s head?

 

[417]

These things are tricky, i remember watching Stephane Richer have a great season followed by a mediocre one then a great one, then another mediocre year… He was deemed moody, lazy, selfish… and then got traded.

Then the day after he won the cup with the Devils he was sitting in a room debating whether or not he should kill hilself. It made no sense to him. It should’ve been the happiest day of his life but he was suicidal. That’s when he went for help.

How can any of us know what’s going on inside a person’s head?

Professional athletes deal with more demons than people realize.

Not making excuses having known a few guys who played professional or semi-pro in various sports, some stories I would hear were unbelievable.

But publicly, you'd never guess this about Player X or Y.

 

[Mike C]

How do you know that mental health hasn't always been the issue?

All due respect but having such strong opinions about his mental health that are in opposition to what he is saying is a troubling position to take and is not one that I would ever endorse.

Calling him a "head case" and refuting his mental health claims without any evidence or expertise to speak on the topic is a bad look and I am not sure where your subjective line in the sand between "head case" and mental illness has been drawn but you should reconsider such harsh and ill informed claims.

Best thing I ever did was tell my doctor I needed help managing stress and anxiety a few years ago. I should have done it 20 years sooner!

These things are tricky, i remember watching Stephane Richer have a great season followed by a mediocre one then a great one, then another mediocre year… He was deemed moody, lazy, selfish… and then got traded.

Then the day after he won the cup with the Devils he was sitting in a room debating whether or not he should kill hilself. It made no sense to him. It should’ve been the happiest day of his life but he was suicidal. That’s when he went for help.

How can any of us know what’s going on inside a person’s head?

Everyone needs a pat on the back and a kind word of encouragement!

 

[Lshap]

These things are tricky, i remember watching Stephane Richer have a great season followed by a mediocre one then a great one, then another mediocre year… He was deemed moody, lazy, selfish… and then got traded.

Then the day after he won the cup with the Devils he was sitting in a room debating whether or not he should kill hilself. It made no sense to him. It should’ve been the happiest day of his life but he was suicidal. That’s when he went for help.

How can any of us know what’s going on inside a person’s head?

Professional athletes deal with more demons than people realize.

Not making excuses having known a few guys who played professional or semi-pro in various sports, some stories I would hear were unbelievable.

But publicly, you'd never guess this about Player X or Y.

Very true. We need to remember how young these guys are. Most kids that age are still living with their parents, slowly learning how to become independent adults.

Pro athletes in their early 20s are thrown into a world way beyond their maturity level and forced to deal with pressures we can only imagine. Naturally, there are huge upsides, but money and fame come with huge expectations many of these kids aren't equipped to handle. There are probably a lot more issues than we hear about.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

These things are tricky, i remember watching Stephane Richer have a great season followed by a mediocre one then a great one, then another mediocre year… He was deemed moody, lazy, selfish… and then got traded.

Then the day after he won the cup with the Devils he was sitting in a room debating whether or not he should kill hilself. It made no sense to him. It should’ve been the happiest day of his life but he was suicidal. That’s when he went for help.

How can any of us know what’s going on inside a person’s head?

Just had a coworker come back from mental leave.

Early 20s and at work as soon as you talk to him he gets a smile on his face and males jokes all the time.

I think that's why Robin Williams' quote is so correct and hits even harder given that he took his own life


“I think the saddest people always try their hardest to make people happy because they know what it's like to feel absolutely worthless and they don't want anyone else to feel like that” - Robin Williams (1951-2014)

 

[River Meadow]

OUR SAVIOR PLAYS TONIGHT

 

[417]

Very true. We need to remember how young these guys are. Most kids that age are still living with their parents, slowly learning how to become independent adults.

Pro athletes in their early 20s are thrown into a world way beyond their maturity level and forced to deal with pressures we can only imagine. Naturally, there are huge upsides, but money and fame come with huge expectations many of these kids aren't equipped to handle. There are probably a lot more issues than we hear about.

Facts.

And it's not just about the younger players either, a lot of these issues linger with them well into their careers.

Again, there are players who none of us would have guessed there were any issues based on their "spotless" careers, who were suffering terribly unbeknownst to us all.

 

[SlafySZN]

I cringe everytime people talk about athletes and celebrities as if they can’t have mental health issues.

 

[sampollock]

ok fans
when he is back give him some slack
very good player. but not going to save this epic fail

I cringe everytime people talk about athletes and celebrities as if they can’t have mental health issues.

sad for sure

 

[26Mats]

I just hope he last until end of season

We've seen players not be able to get healthy long term.

But we've also seen players repeatedly get injured and then finally find good health long term: Markov, Koivu, etc... hopefully Laine, Dach, Guhle, Xhekaj, Caufield, and others can find good health over the next 8 years and beyond.

 

[morhilane]

I cringe everytime people talk about athletes and celebrities as if they can’t have mental health issues.

They seems to have more than normal people. Way too much pressure, expectations, "highs/lows" and "adoring fans".

 

[Mike C]

Facts.

And it's not just about the younger players either, a lot of these issues linger with them well into their careers.

Again, there are players who none of us would have guessed there were any issues based on their "spotless" careers, who were suffering terribly unbeknownst to us all.

not only that, even if someone is a "head case" as was termed. so freaking what. better someone address the issue and try to get better lest they become like donnie moore. 3 years after giving up a home run of game 5 (not 6 or 7) of the american league championship series, he shot his wife with his kids present then blew his brains out

in that same post season, bill buckner let the ball go through his legs in game 6 (not 7) of the world series. did he deserve all the vile, incomprehensible vitriolic hatred he got for years after that for making an error on a baseball field??? we're all human beings and presumably do the very best we can.

there are athletes who have been rattled by rabid fans screaming after a bad play "you suck---hope your kid gets cancer"


everyone handles pressure differently. i am by no means a saint or the moral majority but as was astutely and profoundly stated, we have no idea what another human being is going through and God forbid they tell us because of the judgement, stigma, ridicule and bullying that awaits them


i'm rooting for laine and hope he is received warmly throughout the league and has the necessary support to go forward. it's not a hockey issue---for some it's life and death

 

[OneSharpMarble]

It's no surprise that he hasn't even played a game and people are already sharpening the pitchforks. Gonna be a long season.

 

[KFlint]

I honestly think we will only see some flashes of him this year, probably getting better at the end of the season if he manages to stay healthy.

The real test will be next season, if he can prove that he could be part of this core and wants to stay. That would be a massive plus for us, two pure goal scorers isn’t too much on a team imo.