Player Discussion: Patrik Laine IVever: a new hope? (Laine out of PAP, trade request still stands)

[thebus88]

1.52%, how is that even possible?

1) They’re made up

2) They mean nothing

3) Laine still sucks


Seriously, what is the list of players over Laine’s entire time with the CBJ that he has “worked well” with??

And you aren’t allowed to list players that you also claim hold Laine back somehow, so (players like) Jenner is out.

 

[Crocket]

He's not over that concussion. Vincent alluded to that in the announcement.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Seriously, what is the list of players over Laine’s entire time with the CBJ that he has “worked well” with??

And you aren’t allowed to list players that you also claim hold Laine back somehow, so (players like) Jenner is out.

 

[VT]

Why Patrik Laine Is Struggling To Find His Confidence And Level Up His Game

A Four-Point Plan to Improve Patrik Laine

hockeysarsenal.substack.com

I have to be fair, that's why I'm going to give such a site as well. What do you think?

 

[CBJx614]

 

[CBJ goalie]

^^^
What the hell is going on with him??

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

He was violently concussed and is probably still not right.

 

[DarkandStormy]

1) They’re made up

2) They mean nothing

3) Laine still sucks


Seriously, what is the list of players over Laine’s entire time with the CBJ that he has “worked well” with??

And you aren’t allowed to list players that you also claim hold Laine back somehow, so (players like) Jenner is out.

This year? No one.

But sounds like you just don't want to ignore last year.

 

[VT]

^^^
What the hell is going on with him??

 

[ThisIsMyAlibi]

Not sure they could give this guy away.

Total bum.

 

[VT]

Not sure they could give this guy away.

Total bum.

Minimum Potzline with Hedger would have spelled it out.
I've never seen a bum try to backcheck, quite well by the way. I hope the break will help him mentally.

 

[thebus88]

Johansenitis??

This year? No one.

But sounds like you just don't want to ignore last year.

And where does 2020-21 fit into all this??

Where does the teams record over Laine’s entire time fit into all this??

Player statistics and their impact on the teams they play on don’t work the way many of you like to claim they do. Am individual player scoring goals/points or not means nothing to the teams success.

 

[Marioesque]

[QUOTE="thebus88]
Am individual player scoring goals/points or not means nothing to the teams success.
[/QUOTE]

You've said a lot of unhinged stuff but this might take the cake.

It's exactly what contributes directly to team success because success comes from winning and you can only win by scoring more than opponent. All of the teams success comes from players contributing to scoring more than they get scored against.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

At this point, I am unwilling to keep blaming the concussion. Now it appears to be a mental issue affecting his game. I am starting to feel as though his future is not in Columbus. Obivously he is untradeable now, but if he finds his game, I am starting to lean towards trading him.

EDIT: Changed my phrasing a bit.

 

[VT]

At this point, I am unwilling to keep blaming the concussion. Now it appears to be a mental issue affecting his game. I am starting to feel as though his future is not in Columbus. Obivously he is untradeable now, but if he finds his game, I am starting to lean towards trading him.

EDIT: Changed my phrasing a bit.

The loss of confidence is a consequence of the injury, after all, you have to get up to speed.
If a player like Laine can find a game, it would be pretty stupid to trade him.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

The loss of confidence is a consequence of the injury, after all, you have to get up to speed.
If a player like Laine can find a game, it would be pretty stupid to trade him.

When he's good he's good. Inconsistency makes a player less valuable to the team though. And CBJ need top players to complement Gaudreau.

 

[VT]

When he's good he's good. Inconsistency makes a player less valuable to the team though. And CBJ need top players to complement Gaudreau.

Other teams probably don't know that. No kidding, once he finds his game I'd wait to see how much he keeps it. If he's consistent, there's no reason to.
By the way, he has the M-NTC. And if he's as bad as some here claim, see the forum, teams that don't have him on the no-trade certainly won't want him.

 

[jonu]

At this point, I am unwilling to keep blaming the concussion. Now it appears to be a mental issue affecting his game. I am starting to feel as though his future is not in Columbus. Obivously he is untradeable now, but if he finds his game, I am starting to lean towards trading him.

EDIT: Changed my phrasing a bit.

As Larsen put it before:

He’s the first to admit that last year was a train wreck. It didn’t go well. He came in, he had a good start and then it just … the one thing with Patrik is, I don’t know if he’s ever gone through a stretch like that. This is just my opinion, but I think he tried to do too much. When you want to do well, sometimes you end up trying to do too much. In Winnipeg — and I’ve watched some of his past games to watch how he scored goals, how we played when he played his best — and it seemed like he just kind of let it happen. Last season he tried to be a passer, be a skater, tried to hold on to it, then be a shooter … it just spiraled all the wrong way for him. Patrik is not a lazy player. He gets this reputation, probably because he’s a big guy, but he can skate. It’s not like he’s not backchecking. But he’s his harshest critic, and you can see that sometimes in his body language where it just really wears on him. He does not hide it well. (Laughs.) Going through those stretches last season of not scoring and not being productive, it’s new for him. I’m not sure he handled it the best, but we’ve talked about how we can help that situation.

Sounds a lot like what we have seen this season, he has big expectations of himself and kind of tilts when he doesn't meet his own expectations.

 

[Ice9]

Sit the guy through the holidays to clear his head...Future brain health is paramount for a 26 year old.

 

[joybang]

Sit the guy through the holidays to clear his head...Future brain health is paramount for a 26 year old.

Maybe the sickness is a good excuse to give him more time for him to mentally reset. He sure didn’t seem to react well to the hs.

 

[majormajor]

Sit the guy through the holidays to clear his head...Future brain health is paramount for a 26 year old.

Exactly. Mysterious "upper body injury" until the New Year.

 

[VT]

Exactly. Mysterious "upper body injury" until the New Year.

I doubt it. Both the NHL and NHLPA are careful about such things. I'm more interested in the other thing, what will happen with Bemstrom. That little neis playing well, although thanks to Adam and Kent, he's not an important piece there. But he scored and has two assists.

 

[NotCommitted]

Maybe the sickness is a good excuse to give him more time for him to mentally reset. He sure didn’t seem to react well to the hs.

He had a good comeback game after being scratched, but he soon found himself playing like 13 minutes a night. That's just stupid. If he can't play more than that for health reasons, better to sit him out entirely IMO. If he's at 100% then just rip the bandage and give him proper minutes. He's averaging least ice time of his NHL career so far this season. The reality of this team is they need him to be one of their leading players, better to play him like one and sink or swim with it. Or if he's playing through something, let him get healthy first.

 

[majormajor]

He had a good comeback game after being scratched, but he soon found himself playing like 13 minutes a night. That's just stupid. If he can't play more than that for health reasons, better to sit him out entirely IMO. If he's at 100% then just rip the bandage and give him proper minutes. He's averaging least ice time of his NHL career so far this season. The reality of this team is they need him to be one of their leading players, better to play him like one and sink or swim with it. Or if he's playing through something, let him get healthy first.

13 a night is not crazy low. We have a lot of players who need ice time right now and if Laine is sinking the team out there and sinking his linemates then of course his ice time is going to be cut. Anyways, hopefully this latest rest helps to get him back to form.

 

[LJ7]

If he can't click with Gaudreau then he should be traded. I would like to see a line built around Gaudreau next season. I kinda like putting Johnson and Fantilli together and letting them grow their chemistry. Laine has two spots where he can slot in, if he can't fit in to either then he doesn't really have a place on this roster. Jenner works with Gaudreau and is a better goal scorer nowadays than Laine anyways. Maybe Laine can click with Johnson and Jenner on a line? I would not count on that but it's possible.

The team has the assets to pursue players for these two RW spots but I don't trust the current regime's pro scouting enough to do it properly. I'm totally fine with keeping Laine for the remainder of his deal if he can slot in to our lineup effectively but again I'm not counting on that. The team should be good this year, and definitely should be good next year.

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