Player Discussion: Patrik Laine IVever: a new hope? (Laine out of PAP, trade request still stands)

[Dumais]

IMO,
Jarmo is looking for a center.
Gaudreau is signed longterm under 10m.
And I don't see Jarmo making Laine the highest paid player on the team.

It really doesn't matter how good he does (HoF, PPG)
And it really doesn't matter how bad he is ( - 45, injuried)
Whatever his price, it's going to be longterm and more than he is worth (UFA)

Hypothetical, if Gaudreau was already here and signed, would Jarmo trade for Laine OR continue looking for a center? He probably gave him a 4 year deal so he could have time to trade him. Because Laine's contract doesn't appear to fit CBJ's window for a cup run. Unless bigger moves are made.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Please training camp, come soon. Signed, he hasn’t even played a game on his current contract.

 

[CBJx614]

IMO,
Jarmo is looking for a center.
Gaudreau is signed longterm under 10m.
And I don't see Jarmo making Laine the highest paid player on the team.

It really doesn't matter how good he does (HoF, PPG)
And it really doesn't matter how bad he is ( - 45, injuried)
Whatever his price, it's going to be longterm and more than he is worth (UFA)

Hypothetical, if Gaudreau was already here and signed, would Jarmo trade for Laine OR continue looking for a center? He probably gave him a 4 year deal so he could have time to trade him. Because Laine's contract doesn't appear to fit CBJ's window for a cup run. Unless bigger moves are made.

Jarmo isn't looking for a top line center if he thinks he already has one. Going to go get a top end center is expensive and immediately stunts both Sillinger and Johnsons ability to developm into one. He's not gonna make a massive move to get a center until they both have shown they aren't capable.

 

[BB88]

That is a dangerous assumption to make. Let’s say we are at the beginning of an 18 month recession which hits the next two hockey seasons and the cap stays flat for another 2 years. Then maybe it goes up a million each year for the following two years. The Canadian tv deal expires in 4 years, so maybe in 5 years you get a bump in the cap, but I’d be conservative for the next 4 seasons.

The point is we don’t have a damm clue how the NHL looks in 4 years time.

It’s pointless to argue whether they can pay him 11-12M at that point of time.
The cap should start to raise quickly after few years which will have an affect on salaries, or maybe it doesn’t move up that quickly.

We also have zero idea how these kids will develop during that 4 years time

 

[Dumais]

Please training camp, come soon. Signed, he hasn’t even played a game on his current contract.

He's not part of the core.

-signed, theoretical advanced analytics.

 

[VT]

Super discussion. We don't even know how he's going to play, and not just him, and we're already discussing his fate.

 

[MoeTheHobo]

Say a player scores 10000 goals in a season and allows 5000. That is the greatest player of all time, and also the worst defensive player of all time.

Idunno, after 4500 ga I'd start blaming the goalie

 

[LetsGOJackets!!]

Our scoring was very good last year. Our possession, and straight defense was not good. More balance to our defense ie equal parts jumping to the rush or taking better angles and peeling back to prevent the opponent from unimpeded drives to the net is a big start. Better goaltending would also help lower goals against.

The Jackets started off too hot last year for a team in rebuild mode. They couldn’t keep that up and ultimately fizzled out. There were some bright spots though. Concentrate on winning. Puck possession tilts the ice in our favor.

The difference is, I know that I don’t know what the frick I am talking about eh?

 

[Halberdier]

The Jackets started off too hot last year for a team in rebuild mode. They couldn’t keep that up and ultimately fizzled out.

The hot start cooled off when the best player (see title) got injured. Maybe this time Laine stays healthy and Gaudreau more than makes the gap left by Domi & Bjorkstrand.

Ps. while corsi is meaningless, real possession matters as the more time you spend o-zone, the better.

 

[VT]

The hot start cooled off when the best player (see title) got injured. Maybe this time Laine stays healthy and Gaudreau more than makes the gap left by Domi & Bjorkstrand.

Ps. while corsi is meaningless, real possession matters as the more time you spend o-zone, the better.

Not quite. After Texier injury.

 

[VT]

EDIT: Texier injured 01/13, and we played very good on February. Of course Laine had to find his play after injury.

 

[Halberdier]

Not quite. After Texier injury.

The hot start cooled long, long before Texier injury in January. Laine got injured early November and while CBJ still won a couple after that, the hottest hot was gone and the team dropped off playoff pace.

Lots of injuries hit last season (Laine x2, Jenner, Domi, Texier and a lot of D-men). All of them did hurt, some of them more than others.

EDIT: Texier injured 01/13, and we played very good on February. Of course Laine had to find his play after injury.

Exactly. Your time frame was way off.

The hot start was long gone in Janurary. The CBJ had a "restart" when Laine finally got back and found his game after a couple. (And that 'hot restart' cooled off after Domi was traded, Jenner got more and more difficulties with his back and Laine had some mystery injury they didn't really communicate what that was)

 

[VT]

The hot start cooled long, long before Texier injury in January. Laine got injured early November and while CBJ still won a couple after that, the hottest hot was gone and the team dropped off playoff pace.

Lots of injuries hit last season (Laine x2, Jenner, Domi, Texier and a lot of D-men). All of them did hurt, some of them more than others.


Exactly. Your time frame was way off.

The hot start was long gone in Janurary. The CBJ had a "restart" when Laine finally got back and found his game after a couple. (And that 'hot restart' cooled off after Domi was traded, Jenner got more and more difficulties with his back and Laine had some mystery injury they didn't really communicate what that was)

Yes, my mistake. But we missed Tex a lot. If he begins to use his partners better, he could play the 1th line center IMHO.
Btw, I think Laine had similar problems like on November/December, maybe even sooner than he was IR. Probably we never know it. Similar like Tex problems. I hope they'll be ready and not only them, of course.

 

[JacketsDavid]

I don't think we have room for a 1C (salary wise).
It is likely a need but short of someone taking Jake or Gus back in a trade it's not likley going to fit.

 

[LetsGOJackets!!]

I don't think we have room for a 1C (salary wise).
It is likely a need but short of someone taking Jake or Gus back in a trade it's not likley going to fit.

We play with what we got... and we play better than anyone anticipates. These Jackets love Lars, he is a players coach & they will play for each other.

 

[Marioesque]

We play with what we got... and we play better than anyone anticipates. These Jackets love Lars, he is a players coach & they will play for each other.

I totally agree, we play with what we got. And we're in a much better position with what we got than most teams. Kent and Cole will provide us with the 1-2 center punch, it will really start paying off 2 years from now. Until then, we have Laine and Johnny, which in my opinion puts jackets in playoffs and a possible Cinderella run. The accumulated effect of Gaudreau-Laine will take so many by surprise, they guarantee wins even when the defense and goaltending are suspect. And the defense deficiency has been addressed by last 2 drafts (Jiricek, mateychuk, ceulemans).

The signing of Johnny Hockey is not just a 100+ points addition to CBJ, he will make Laine super effective and finally playing the role he is built for. Johnny will take the eyes away from Patty, and we all should know what happens when Laine has room to shoot.

I understand the nay sayers because their frame of reference is hfboards opinions and 1 really awful season and one point per game broken season. The people who have watched this player since 16-17 years old understand the insane potential, and Jarmo is one of these people who have been watching this guy forever.

There are no other players who are that threatening outside of the usual main scoring area. Laine is the only one that really works super effectively from outside that area. Nobody has yet exploited that advantage with him yet in the NHL, not to the max. He basically single handedly won a championship with just shots outside of sector in Finland at the age of 17-18.

Even us long time Laine followers know his restrictions, or mainly injury proneness, bit when healthy and especially when paired with someone who takes the focus off him, he's one of the most valuable pieces in this game. Because he does the most important thing in hockey better than anyone else from bigger distance than anyone else. That's the special sauce we need to capitalize on. This kid was the best shooter in the world when he was 17. He has only gotten better.

 

[thebus88]

We’ve had Rick Nash. We’ve had Artemi Panarin. We know what good hockey players look like.

Most fans are past seeing a guy win a Rocket Richard trophy. We want WINS. 1st round playoffs wasn’t good enough 3 years ago. That’s what most care about, what ALL should care about, most importantly Laine himself.

Last season means nothing if the year before that means nothing. TONS of guys has increased point totals. THE TEAM SUCKED. Laine did little to nothing to make the team dangerous over an extended period, or ANY period if we're honest.

Anyways, he better move his feet and score some f***ing goals when shit starts up.

 

[OldGoaltender]

Geez Bus you are a pretty negative Nellie. It’s sports and this is truly entertainment. Yes we want to see our team play well but not at the cost of my sanity or happiness. It could be worse, you could be a Cleveland Browns fan like me since the early 1960s, now that’s suffering.

 

[Dumais]

It's amazing really, the best team CBJ has ever had.

2 PPG players.
40-50pt 1d.
1 of the best prospect pools in the league.
1 of the best GMs in the league.

And all I see is....well our D sucks and it's all Laine's fault.

hey, Hey, HEY, guess what? RIck Nash would be a 2nd line winger on this team....yup, it's true. Nash aint a PPG player. and top line is where the best scorers and playmakers belong. He would be on the 2nd PP unit too.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

And all I see is....well our D sucks and it's all Laine's fault

All you see?

 

[stevo61]

It's amazing really, the best team CBJ has ever had.

2 PPG players.
40-50pt 1d.
1 of the best prospect pools in the league.
1 of the best GMs in the league.

And all I see is....well our D sucks and it's all Laine's fault.

hey, Hey, HEY, guess what? RIck Nash would be a 2nd line winger on this team....yup, it's true. Nash aint a PPG player. and top line is where the best scorers and playmakers belong. He would be on the 2nd PP unit too.

Nash with help would have been a better point producer. What does downplaying Nash accomplish here?

 

[Dumais]

All you see?

what I'm talking about right here.

Look you guys want to crap all of this team, at least be realistic about it. People on here are complaining about a winger defensive ability.

Jere Lehtinen called, he wants his 2003 Selke back lol

Go ahead, be miserable; I wont stop ya.

 

[Dumais]

Nash with help would have been a better point producer. What does downplaying Nash accomplish here?

Where does Nash fit on this team? Just musing, entertaining myself with an interesting (to me anyways) hypothetical. And a little social experiment for curiosity sake.

Not downplaying him. Judging him as coldly as some judge Laine. And came to a logical conclusion.

 

[stevo61]

Where does Nash fit on this team? Just musing, entertaining myself with an interesting (to me anyways) hypothetical. And a little social experiment for curiosity sake.

Not downplaying him. Judging him as coldly as some judge Laine. And came to a logical conclusion.

At 24 he had a Rocket to his name and 2 PPG seasons. He was good at hockey

 

[Dumais]

At 24 he had a Rocket to his name and 2 PPG seasons. He was good at hockey

Never said he wasn't, just not good enough to be on the top line of this team.