Asking people to stay off social media has like a zero percent success rate. It doesn't seem to matter how much money people make. You can watch billionaires turn into total babies on twitter because someone doesn't respect them. Human nature doesn't change with income.
Player Discussion: Patrik Laine IVever: a new hope? (Laine out of PAP, trade request still stands)
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Lots of people have been cyber bullied to suicide. If you're totally ignorant of the topic maybe not talk about it?
Jovavic
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Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
I've lost friends to that sort of thing before. Have a care.
And given that online interactions are a massive part of everyday schoolwork and life nowadays, it's about as avoidable for kids these days as it was possible to "just not go near them in the school halls if they're going to bully you". That personality type actively seeks out favorite victims. (Source: personal experience with one kid in particular who was twice my size and picked me out as a favorite target in middle school. After multiple police interventions - no, I'm not kidding or exaggerating - he was transferred to another school district (somewhere in Dublin IIRC) and made himself so welcome there he ultimately got knifed to death at a party in which "nobody saw anything".)
So lets ruin these guys lives and drive them to suicide!!!!
Wait….what’s the problem or goal again??
Laine has problems with and without these people existing.
Jokes about and talking about troubling issues have a more positive impact on them then ignoring them altogether.
How does a human being gain physical strength??
How does a human being gain emotional or mental strength??
I guess it’s safe to say Laine doesn’t meditate with Barkov in the offseason.
There’s ALWAYS an initial problem that always gets ignored or brushed passed in these situations when the focus is put on “bullying”, whether online or in real life.
There’s almost ALWAYS a MORE GUILTY party involved and serious underlying issues in the bullied (or even bullyer’s) life that always gets absolved from the guilt when you blame serious issues on simple jokes or “picking on” a person.
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Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
Generally people gain strength by controlled training and practice rather than getting the stuffing beaten out of them, especially since the latter has other unpleasant side effects. Getting cold-cocked by some dick at the bar doesn't develop your physical strength any more productively than that kind of "joke" bullshit does your mental strength.
Ahh, no ma’am. Here we go once again, you and others putting TERRIBLE words into people’s mouths. It’s not about getting anything beaten in or out of them…it’s ABOUT THINKING AND WORKING THROUGH THINGS ON YOUR OWN. “Controlled training and practice” from who exactly?? The people who have literally CREATED the concept of “cyber bullying” and all the issues that come with it?? “Controlled” says it all.
What are you talking about!?! The answer is “adversity”. It’s not “enjoyable” to work out.
It’s not “enjoyable” for a fat person to be called “fat”. It doesn’t stop the fact that they ARE fat, and BEING FAT is affecting them negatively more than a person calling them fat.
I just want a good hockey team. I’m not sure what’s happening with this team anymore. A
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Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
I was referring to things like going to the gym, or engaging with people you disagree with. You control your workout and/or whether or not you keep engaging with people.
I feel obliged to point out that I have this on my wall literally next to me as I type this:
And I know plenty of people who do enjoy gym time, although I can't count myself among their number. The point being, it's still under the control of the person doing the workout. That's what makes it acceptable and preferable to getting randomly yelled at.
Cowumbus
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That seems incredibly excessive…
It’s a very dark joke, and people laughed at it. You want to ban them forever because of that?
I think you completely missed the point on Laine's comment in the first place and it has nothing to do with how much money he makes, or even Laine himself in the end. The concepts in this discussion are pretty simple (or at least were initially) - like I dunno, if you even remotely suspect someone might be suicidal, maybe joking about it is not very "cool"? If you can't understand that, maybe someday you will either because of the "benefit" of having some very unpleasant life experience (I don't wish that on anyone), or healing from the life experience you've already had that has left you scarred.
It was stupid, they got called out on it, hopefully they realize why it was stupid, life should go on for everyone involved. I've certainly said a lot of stupid shit over the years I regretted later, but luckily it was not on twitter and no one cancelled me for being a thoughtless idiot.
Iron Balls McGinty
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I never got into the podcasting thing. A few I tried listening too on various topics were terrible.
People love podcasts because they give everyone a voice. Podcasts are terrible because they give everyone a voice.
People love podcasts because they give everyone a voice. Podcasts are terrible because they give everyone a voice.
Ok, what is the point??
Hypothetical scenario. What if you DONT think somebody is ACTUALLY “suicidal” and you are making a joke?? To add, Is that even where we really are with Laine? What if we also completely ACKNOWLEDGE suicide as a problem and want to focus on the fact that there is almost always an underlying issue that is the DIRECT CAUSE, that has nothing to do with talking or “joking” about these issues.
The concept of suicide is not “funny”. Thinking that joking about suicide is a bigger problem or being more vocal about the jokes themselves than the ISSUES that cause suicide, is NOT POSITIVE.
Double-Shift Lasse
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Irrespective of the fact that this is a thread about Patrik Laine…
Making a ”joke” in a public forum insinuating that a real-life other person who is not a person known to you personally has contemplated taking their life is not a more positive healthy way to address the issue of suicide as a society than not making a “joke” about it.
Making a ”joke” in a public forum insinuating that a real-life other person who is not a person known to you personally has contemplated taking their life is not a more positive healthy way to address the issue of suicide as a society than not making a “joke” about it.
It's a bad joke and a low blow. It's upsetting that kind of "content" is even getting viewed. It's also unfair to say that person was serious, its stupid to thing to say and you should be responsible for your actions but let's put down the pitch forks. Canceling people is dumb. Sorry to Patty as no one should have to hear that type of thing.
This is the correct answer. I just gave my $29 dollars to Laine's foundation and I hope we don't have to keep tripping over ourselves to get into the national spotlight in the worst ways possible.
If you keep track of the CBJ prospects in Cleveland, you've almost certainly read Elaine's writing. She's at Monster games more than any other writer.
I Wonder if they were very likely to slip in the toilet. Some fans might react.
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
Well, they posted an apology:
Sounds pretty sincere to me, actually.
Sounds pretty sincere to me, actually.
CBJWerenski8
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I have never heard of the saying in question, but it was quite clear what the intent was behind the joke. I don't know anyone involved on this podcast and have never heard of the podcast itself before today, but from the 40 seconds of research it sounds like its a fan driven show that looks for "hot takes" or emotional discussion rather than insightful discussion about the team. Which is all good on my end.
Obviously, however, that's not what this is.
It's hard to put into words the way I feel. The "joke" in saying is something some teenager would say to their friends or post online in order to seem edgy and get a reaction. These are grown men. The part that just makes me laugh is the fact these guys know that their faces, names, and social media tags are all over the place on their own podcast, and they still said it, edited it, and posted it. They had so many chances to avoid this, and they didn't. Usually social media idiots hide behind fake names and pictures, but they in broad daylight exposed themselves. I know if I was ever on any podcast with my name and face attached to it, I would do my best to be on my best behavior regardless of if I was shooting the breeze with some friends. The internet is forever.
As far as banning them from NWA or something, I think thats a bit too far. Its not like they personally threatened Laine or anything. I think the public embarrassment to the hockey world of their "joke" with their names and faces plastered everywhere, as well as the probable burial of their hobby, is probably enough of a punishment given their actions.
Obviously, however, that's not what this is.
It's hard to put into words the way I feel. The "joke" in saying is something some teenager would say to their friends or post online in order to seem edgy and get a reaction. These are grown men. The part that just makes me laugh is the fact these guys know that their faces, names, and social media tags are all over the place on their own podcast, and they still said it, edited it, and posted it. They had so many chances to avoid this, and they didn't. Usually social media idiots hide behind fake names and pictures, but they in broad daylight exposed themselves. I know if I was ever on any podcast with my name and face attached to it, I would do my best to be on my best behavior regardless of if I was shooting the breeze with some friends. The internet is forever.
As far as banning them from NWA or something, I think thats a bit too far. Its not like they personally threatened Laine or anything. I think the public embarrassment to the hockey world of their "joke" with their names and faces plastered everywhere, as well as the probable burial of their hobby, is probably enough of a punishment given their actions.
I feel bad for those guys, they were being idiots and put themselves and some other people in a horrible spot. Self-inflected, sure, but still. Good to hear a proper apology. Hopefully people accept that and everyone moves on.
Good for them to take responsibility and post that apology. I hope the lynch mob puts away the pitch forks too - like many here have said people make mistakes and we need to move on and not condemn them for life.
If there's a silver lining, I hope that other podcasters think about what they say a little bit more carefully.
If there's a silver lining, I hope that other podcasters think about what they say a little bit more carefully.
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