Patrick Roy: This is the team that Lou gave me

[rahad]

What do owners see in Lou that makes him stick around for so long lmao.

Lou has been working in the NHL for so long. He probably has blackmail on everyone.

 

[Bleedred]

I'm currently getting major Doug Weight vibes from this current Patrick Roy coaching stint.

Both took over in January (I think Weight took over in January?) while the Islanders were struggling. They went on to make the playoffs in both instances. Then the Islanders came back the next year and were absolutely horrific under Weight. Both Weight and Garth were fired after that year and that's where Lou entered.

This could be the same thing after this year. I don't think the Islanders situation is currently quite as bad as it was with Weight, at least not yet. But it feels similar and like it will have the same conclusion, if the Islanders don't turn this season around.

I don't think Lou would even be allowed to make a coaching change right now if he wanted to. He probably now has to live or die by Roy for the rest of this year. Both are (probably) out if they miss the playoffs.

 

[Zeeker]

I'm currently getting major Doug Weight vibes from this current Patrick Roy coaching stint.

Both took over in January (I think Weight took over in January?) while the Islanders were struggling. They went on to make the playoffs in both instances. Then the Islanders came back the next year and were absolutely horrific under Weight. Both Weight and Garth were fired after that year and that's where Lou entered.

This could be the same thing after this year. I don't think the Islanders situation is currently quite as bad as it was with Weight, at least not yet. But it feels similar.

The Islanders didn’t make the playoffs in either Weight season

 

[Bleedred]

The Islanders didn’t make the playoffs in either Weight season

Really? Okay, I stand corrected. I don't know why, but I thought they wound up getting in during the 2017 season after Weight took over for Capuano. Not sure why I thought that.

Other than that, I do feel it has it's similarities, other than Roy being a total outside hire and Weight was an assistant coach (and assistant GM?) for several years with the Islanders prior to that.

 

[Zeeker]

Really? Okay, I stand corrected. I don't know why, but I thought they wound up getting in during the 2017 season after Weight took over for Capuano. Not sure why I thought that.

I believe they won seven meaningless games in a row to end the season one point out a playoff spot, ruining their draft position.

 

[Bleedred]

I believe they won seven meaningless games in a row to end the season one point out a playoff spot, ruining their draft position.

Ah!

I forgot all about this, but now I'm starting to remember they were eliminated due to another result in another game after beating the Devils in a game where Patrik Elias took warmups just a few days after he announced he was going to retire. Elias didn't play that season and announced shortly prior he wasn't going to play again and would just skate warmups with the team that night.

 

[crab]

Lou, Roy and the roster are all awful. Islanders are going to be mediocre for a long time. Should have rebuilt instead of whatever Lou is doing.

 

[jkrdevil]

What do owners see in Lou that makes him stick around for so long lmao.

3 Stanley Cups, 5 finals appearances, has pretty much won at every stop. He brings a philosophy of pulling everyone in the organization in the same direction with him. The Islanders were a clown car organizationally prior to him stepping (which is why Tavares left). He cleaned that up and they have been generally competitive since then. That’s why Isles ownership like him.

The aisles aren’t anything more than a bubble team, but they are a better team than the amount of blown leads they have. They are getting those leads in the first place. This is a coaching issue.

 

[jkrdevil]

The Roy hire was a big gamble on Lou’s part, but it is probably going to end how it was always going to end with Patrick being Patrick.

Reminds a little of when Lou hired Herb Brooks in 92-93. Brooks personality wore out and at the end of the year he quit saying the team needed to be torn down and rebuilt. They went on the be on of the best teams in the league for the next 20 years. Unfortunately for the Islanders there isn’t a Brodeur (or rookie Niedermayer) in the pipeline to have the same result.

 

[Mike C]

What was the analytics there you think with cortes decision, or that it was analytics at all, that was so criminal?

Beane made the most out of a piddly budget in Oakland.

Baseball is a numbers game and a physics equation. And unfortunately that upsets people

Betts, Ohtani and Freddy were like 3-20 vs Cortez which was pointed to as to why a guy who didn't belong on the roster let alone a high leverage situation was brought in.

Again, metrics and analytics have their place but I think too much emphasis is put on them

 

[joestevens29]

Neither Roy or Lou should be in nhl

 

[Rebels57]

The Isles need to shitcain that old fogie Lou and stick with Roy.

 

[dirtydanglez]

you know what you signed up for dont complain that you were given the opportunity.

 

[TheBeerNerd]

The Islanders are a pit of misery, and neither Lou nor Roy are good at their job.

 

[shello]

Doesn’t seem like that controversial of a quote honestly. But Lou and his assistant GM kid need to go. Also his facial hair rule is insane

 

[dirtydanglez]

kind of a side note but has the nhlpa ever challenged lou's hair grooming standards?

 

[dgibb10]

Betts, Ohtani and Freddy were like 3-20 vs Cortez which was pointed to as to why a guy who didn't belong on the roster let alone a high leverage situation was brought in.

Again, metrics and analytics have their place but I think too much emphasis is put on them

Baseball analytics are WAY beyond that in 2024

Maybe in 2000 that's what analytics looked like, but baseball is way beyond that.

They had to pick a guy to get through 3 MVPs in the biggest moment. "Analytics" is just a scapegoat people use to cope.

 

[Fatass]

probably one of the rarer cases of good coach, bad team

Yup. Lou is cooked. Trading a top pick for Horvat and then signing him long term at way too much cap was definitely a mistake. Lou built an old core (Dobson is the exception) and an even older supporting cast. Very little hope for a better future too.

 

[FerrisRox]

And Lou won 2 GM of the year awards both more recently than Roy has been a coach in the NHL

What does that have to do with the question I was answering?

 

[Leafshater67]

I was surprised Roy came back for that job. He’s a good coach but I couldn’t figure out what he saw in that roster. I guess he sees.

The islanders need to admit their window has closed, they have very few prospects, a bunch of bad contracts and accept that they need to rebuild. Lou will never though, he’ll probably double down and give Kyle MacLean a 8 year contract or some shit. This team is almost as old as Lou

 

[Mike C]

Baseball analytics are WAY beyond that in 2024

Maybe in 2000 that's what analytics looked like, but baseball is way beyond that.

They had to pick a guy to get through 3 MVPs in the biggest moment. "Analytics" is just a scapegoat people use to cope.

Tim Hill says hello

 

[Turin]

I don’t think anybody expected Roy to be a good hire except Lou.

 

[centipede2233]

I’m not sure why Roy is getting the finger pointed at by some. The islanders team is essentially the same as the back to back conf finals NYI teams minus Toews and add 4/5 yrs to a bunch of mediocre talent. Based On roster composition, age, handing out a 7 yr contract to a bottom dweller in engvall and Toews for a couple of late 2nds, the blame is on Lou here. He basically did nothing other than the horvat signing to improve his team. If mcdavid and drasaitl can’t win you a cup, Bo freaking horvat doesn’t even move the needle a tiny bit.

This is what happens when you let an aging core gets paid. Guess what, teams that get older and more expensive don’t win c playoff rounds little own a cup, I promise. Lou needs to retire