Patrick Roy: This is the team that Lou gave me

[Mike C]

What was the analytics there you think with cortes decision, or that it was analytics at all, that was so criminal?

Beane made the most out of a piddly budget in Oakland.

Baseball is a numbers game and a physics equation. And unfortunately that upsets people

What was the analytics there you think with cortes decision, or that it was analytics at all, that was so criminal?

Beane made the most out of a piddly budget in Oakland.

Baseball is a numbers game and a physics equation. And unfortunately that upsets people

I don't discount analytics. I think they are a tool which can be useful. I don't think they are what wins and loses games

Strat O Matic is a numbers game. Pool and bowling are physics oriented. Baseball is a game of hitting, pitching, baserunning and fielding.

To get back on topic and bring it full circle. You say Beane made the most of what he had to work with in Oakland, Roy is making the most of the team Lou gave him. In both cases, the most is not nearly good enough

 

[rahad]

What do owners see in Lou that makes him stick around for so long lmao.

Lou has been working in the NHL for so long. He probably has blackmail on everyone.

 

[Bleedred]

I'm currently getting major Doug Weight vibes from this current Patrick Roy coaching stint.

Both took over in January (I think Weight took over in January?) while the Islanders were struggling. They went on to make the playoffs in both instances. Then the Islanders came back the next year and were absolutely horrific under Weight. Both Weight and Garth were fired after that year and that's where Lou entered.

This could be the same thing after this year. I don't think the Islanders situation is currently quite as bad as it was with Weight, at least not yet. But it feels similar and like it will have the same conclusion, if the Islanders don't turn this season around.

I don't think Lou would even be allowed to make a coaching change right now if he wanted to. He probably now has to live or die by Roy for the rest of this year. Both are (probably) out if they miss the playoffs.

 

[Zeeker]

I'm currently getting major Doug Weight vibes from this current Patrick Roy coaching stint.

Both took over in January (I think Weight took over in January?) while the Islanders were struggling. They went on to make the playoffs in both instances. Then the Islanders came back the next year and were absolutely horrific under Weight. Both Weight and Garth were fired after that year and that's where Lou entered.

This could be the same thing after this year. I don't think the Islanders situation is currently quite as bad as it was with Weight, at least not yet. But it feels similar.

The Islanders didn’t make the playoffs in either Weight season

 

[Bleedred]

The Islanders didn’t make the playoffs in either Weight season

Really? Okay, I stand corrected. I don't know why, but I thought they wound up getting in during the 2017 season after Weight took over for Capuano. Not sure why I thought that.

Other than that, I do feel it has it's similarities, other than Roy being a total outside hire and Weight was an assistant coach (and assistant GM?) for several years with the Islanders prior to that.

 

[Zeeker]

Really? Okay, I stand corrected. I don't know why, but I thought they wound up getting in during the 2017 season after Weight took over for Capuano. Not sure why I thought that.

I believe they won seven meaningless games in a row to end the season one point out a playoff spot, ruining their draft position.

 

[Bleedred]

I believe they won seven meaningless games in a row to end the season one point out a playoff spot, ruining their draft position.

Ah!

I forgot all about this, but now I'm starting to remember they were eliminated due to another result in another game after beating the Devils in a game where Patrik Elias took warmups just a few days after he announced he was going to retire. Elias didn't play that season and announced shortly prior he wasn't going to play again and would just skate warmups with the team that night.

 

[crab]

Lou, Roy and the roster are all awful. Islanders are going to be mediocre for a long time. Should have rebuilt instead of whatever Lou is doing.

 

[jkrdevil]

What do owners see in Lou that makes him stick around for so long lmao.

3 Stanley Cups, 5 finals appearances, has pretty much won at every stop. He brings a philosophy of pulling everyone in the organization in the same direction with him. The Islanders were a clown car organizationally prior to him stepping (which is why Tavares left). He cleaned that up and they have been generally competitive since then. That’s why Isles ownership like him.

The aisles aren’t anything more than a bubble team, but they are a better team than the amount of blown leads they have. They are getting those leads in the first place. This is a coaching issue.

 

[jkrdevil]

The Roy hire was a big gamble on Lou’s part, but it is probably going to end how it was always going to end with Patrick being Patrick.

Reminds a little of when Lou hired Herb Brooks in 92-93. Brooks personality wore out and at the end of the year he quit saying the team needed to be torn down and rebuilt. They went on the be on of the best teams in the league for the next 20 years. Unfortunately for the Islanders there isn’t a Brodeur (or rookie Niedermayer) in the pipeline to have the same result.