Value of: Patrick Kane to NYR

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If Rangers want him they are going to have to give up something good. You're not gonna get a star play retained for some bozo prospect and a late pick.

Colorado can just offer a guy named MacKinnon instead :laugh::laugh::laugh:
The "star player" has to want the Rangers. The return will not be what you hope it will be. I'm not really interested in going around and around in a redundant circle, so take the final word if you're so inclined.
 

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The "star player" has to want the Rangers. The return will not be what you hope it will be. I'm not really interested in going around and around in a redundant circle, so take the final word if you're so inclined.
I'm not a Hawks fan so Idc about the return. I think it's just funny you think you're gonna get a guy like Kane without giving up Kakko or Laf. Not like those guys are some stud prospects either. More like reclamation projects at this point.
 

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If Rangers want him they are going to have to give up something good. You're not gonna get a star play retained for some bozo prospect and a late pick.

Colorado can just offer a guy named MacKinnon instead :laugh::laugh::laugh:

You’re under the assumption that the rangers want and can fit him in.

I don’t know about the former, but the latter is very unlikely.
 
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TommyDangles

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You’re under the assumption that the rangers want and can fit him in.

I don’t know about the former, but the latter is very unlikely.
I said if they want him lol. He'd have retention and I assume some salary would be going back. If they really wanted him they'd be able to find a way to fit him. Read man.
 

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Stay away from the kids on this team and become another human piece of trash this league parades around after you retire in your glory.
 

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I think he's referring to Kane's away from the team problems and possibly him not being assertive enough for Kyle Beach. There's always probably something in there referring to Bobby Hull in there.

Yeah, we have the third youngest team in the league which will continue to maintain a strong youth movement in the upcoming years. I don't want this guy near my team with his extremely shady history. And congrats on highlighting that yes I was also referencing Bobby Hull being a trash human being.
 
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Yeah, we have the third youngest team in the league which will continue to maintain a strong youth movement in the upcoming years. I don't want this guy near my team with his extremely shady history. And congrats on highlighting that yes I was also referencing Bobby Hull being a trash human being.
Add in that Kane really doesn't address what this team's biggest need is going to be: a 2C.
 
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If Kane can decide where he goes (assuming he wants out), the Rangers won’t need to deal a piece like Kakko. Look back to what the Rangers gave up for Rick Nash and what they got for McDonaugh (and that was for two playoff runs). I’d Kane the better player? Of course, but these kind of trades never return huge psckages-especially if Kane veto any trade.
well Kane doesn't really want out, he wants to stay but there could be a situation where the Hawks say look we'll re-sign you but we're in a full rebuild but if a team of your liking makes a compelling offer then we'll ask you to waive your NMC if its a team you wouldn't mind playing for long term. I think NYR could be one of those teams given he would probably want to go to a contender, his relationship with Panarin, in his home state and also he would likely want to play in the east as he probably wouldn't want to be on a rival team in the west...Kane is still an elite player and will be until he probably hangs up the skates, so its not like a one year run with him, he'd be a big contributor until the end of his next contract imo
 

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But there's no reason for the Rangers to give that up. If Kane decides he' willing to waive to Rangers, who are they really bidding against?

And I already said that Kane is a better player than the other two players....
they're bidding against the opportunity cost of not having a player like him, he stays in Chicago, NYR are missing that extra elite piece offensively and don't win a cup because of it...thats the scenario they're bidding against, not saying it will happen but thats how management will be looking at it
 

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Yea?

Young struggling guy that has vastly underperformed going into his 3rd season. Sounds like a reclamation project to me.
A reclamation project is a player who can't quite seem to make it and maybe another organization can give him a second look or a better opportunity to make the line-up. Laf is an NHL player. He's just a 3rd liner instead of an elite or very good player. You can say a change of scenery would do him good. A different organization that can develop him better than NYR. But he's not currently a reclamation project
 
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The franchise of Buffalo is a reclamation project lmao
 

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I'm not a Hawks fan so Idc about the return. I think it's just funny you think you're gonna get a guy like Kane without giving up Kakko or Laf. Not like those guys are some stud prospects either. More like reclamation projects at this point.
Every single fan wants Kakko and Laf for their high end piece but then proceeds to shit on them when they learn they can’t get them

You’re not getting Kakko or Lafreniere for Patrick Kane with 1 year left. You’re not getting Schneider, K’Andre, Lindgren either.

If Patty Kane is traded to NYR I’ve been saying the deal will look something like Nils Lundkvist+Brett Berard+1st+pick/cap dump for Kane @50% retention.
 

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A reclamation project is a player who can't quite seem to make it and maybe another organization can give him a second look or a better opportunity to make the line-up. Laf is an NHL player. He's just a 3rd liner instead of an elite or very good player. You can say a change of scenery would do him good. A different organization that can develop him better than NYR. But he's not currently a reclamation project
I've always viewed a reclamation project as a guy that was once good or expected to be good and has struggled in their development. A guy that you take a shot on to try and bring back to his former glory or. An example would be the Blues trading for Yakupov / Vegas trading for Nolan Patrick / Panthers trading for Sam Bennett. Maybe we just have different definitions.
 

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I've always viewed a reclamation project as a guy that was once good or expected to be good and has struggled in their development. A guy that you take a shot on to try and bring back to his former glory or. An example would be the Blues trading for Yakupov / Vegas trading for Nolan Patrick / Panthers trading for Sam Bennett. Maybe we just have different definitions.
We don't really know what Laf's glory is. He dominated a different league. His skating was always considered a weakness. He's getting more and more responsible in his own end and looking like a decent 3rd liner right now. He's an NHL player. He's not what we expected, at least not yet. Right now we don't really know if this is all he'll become or not, so In my opinion I wouldn't use the term reclamation project. Bennett wasn't a reclamation project. Bennett was a player who had highs and lows with the Flames but was still a solid player and showed it in the playoffs. A change of scenario gave him more opportunity to flourish, but he was always an NHL player for any team.

Yak was on his way out of the NHL. I view him differently. You can see the decline happening. It was only a matter of time before he was out of their organization. Blues took a shot to see if maybe the player could work out in their system. It did not.
 

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Every single fan wants Kakko and Laf for their high end piece but then proceeds to shit on them when they learn they can’t get them

You’re not getting Kakko or Lafreniere for Patrick Kane with 1 year left. You’re not getting Schneider, K’Andre, Lindgren either.

If Patty Kane is traded to NYR I’ve been saying the deal will look something like Nils Lundkvist+Brett Berard+1st+pick/cap dump for Kane @50% retention.
You're not getting Kane or any other star player without parting with a high-end piece. I don't really think Laf & Kakko are the high-end pieces they used to be either. Their value has been gradually dropping since they've been drafted.

Laf + Lundqvist + CAP + 1st
 

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We don't really know what Laf's glory is. He dominated a different league. His skating was always considered a weakness. He's getting more and more responsible in his own end and looking like a decent 3rd liner right now. He's an NHL player. He's not what we expected, at least not yet. Right now we don't really know if this is all he'll become or not, so In my opinion I wouldn't use the term reclamation project. Bennett wasn't a reclamation project. Bennett was a player who had highs and lows with the Flames but was still a solid player and showed it in the playoffs. A change of scenario gave him more opportunity to flourish, but he was always an NHL player for any team.

Yak was on his way out of the NHL. I view him differently. You can see the decline happening. It was only a matter of time before he was out of their organization. Blues took a shot to see if maybe the player could work out in their system. It did not.

Well, his glory would be his pre-draft hype of what he was expected to be. A big top 6 forward that can be a 60+ point guy. Any team trading for him would hope to get him back on track of what he was supposed to be.
 

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