Value of: Patrick Kane to NYR

[Toews2Bickell]

If the Hawks want to go the full teardown route this summer and Kane wants to reunite with Panarin, what would be a realistic package coming from NY if Kane agrees to sign an extension after July 1 and waive his NMC to go to the Rangers. Is Kakko the starting point? Assuming Lafreniere is off the table...

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[Eggtimer]

How would it work cap wise ? I am not saying it cant work , I just dont know how a Rangers team that looks like it is stacked out the wazoo would have cap room to add a Kane level player. Stome moved and Trouba ?Or is there better options/ways to make room? It wiould be very scary if they could add Kane. HEck , go for it and add both Kanes in the offseason.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

I'm sure they could figure out the cap, wouldn't surprise me in the least if Kane goes to the Rangers

 

[cwede]

very unlikely to happen,
NYR Cap gets very crowded next,
[$50M just for Bread, Fox, Zib, Trouba Shesty, Kreider]
gonna need the ELC, lesser-paid guys and prospects CBH would need back.
Even at 50%, Kane's Cap Hit would get in the way of a 2nd top C,
whether Strome/Copp or other

 

[GAGLine]

Didn't we get enough of this at the trade deadline?

We aren't trading for Kane. The last thing we need is another high priced winger.

 

[mm11]

I'm sure they could figure out the cap, wouldn't surprise me in the least if Kane goes to the Rangers

ranger$ always get their guy and make it work under cap restrictions. Personally think they should go for it.

 

[TGWL]

Kane signing an extention pretty much kills any chance here. A realistic scenario would be NYR making some cap clearing moves and aiming for Kane at 50% for next season. Adding an extension makes it more unlikely.

 

[TGWL]

Didn't we get enough of this at the trade deadline?

We aren't trading for Kane. The last thing we need is another high priced winger.

You meant to say high priced star. Kane is a star and every team is much better with him. Agreed on cap though.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Kane signing an extention pretty much kills any chance here. A realistic scenario would be NYR making some cap clearing moves and aiming for Kane at 50% for next season. Adding an extension makes it more unlikely.

Hawks could agree to retain 50% next year so he's at a 5.25mm AAV and then NYR can work out the extension details with Kane, assuming his aav would stay the same or come down and depending on how much he wants to win with Panarin and play in NY could see him coming down a bit to make it all work out...If he leaves the Hawks it would be to play with someone like Panarin again imo, its probably NYR or bust

 

[Kupo]

If the Hawks want to go the full teardown route this summer and Kane wants to reunite with Panarin, what would be a realistic package coming from NY if Kane agrees to sign an extension after July 1 and waive his NMC to go to the Rangers. Is Kakko the starting point? Assuming Lafreniere is off the table...

Hawks could agree to retain 50% next year so he's at a 5.25mm AAV and then NYR can work out the extension details with Kane, assuming his aav would stay the same or come down and depending on how much he wants to win with Panarin and play in NY could see him coming down a bit to make it all work out...If he leaves the Hawks it would be to play with someone like Panarin again imo, its probably NYR or bust

NY can’t afford Kane, even with retention. They need a 2C. Whatever cap space they have will go towards re-signing their guys + a 2C. Trading Kakko for someone who’s a year away from being an UFA is absolutely stupid.

 

[TGWL]

Hawks could agree to retain 50% next year so he's at a 5.25mm AAV and then NYR can work out the extension details with Kane, assuming his aav would stay the same or come down and depending on how much he wants to win with Panarin and play in NY could see him coming down a bit to make it all work out...If he leaves the Hawks it would be to play with someone like Panarin again imo, its probably NYR or bust

Yeah, but I am assuming the ask here is based on Kane signing that extension to get more value than a free agent? I think Kane at 50% for the year would be the biggest interest in NYR going for it. I don't think NY could guarantee the extension at this point.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Keith at his best would have struggled on this team. It is like people forget Keith played with one of the top defensive D of his era...

NY can’t afford Kane, even with retention. They need a 2C. Whatever cap space they have will go towards re-signing their guys + a 2C. Trading Kakko for someone who’s a year away from being an UFA is absolutely stupid.

which is why I said assuming there would be an agreement to an extension beyond next year...you would get kane at 5.25mm aav which would be huge for a year and then whatever rate he signs for after that

 

[bernmeister]

Didn't we get enough of this at the trade deadline?

We aren't trading for Kane. The last thing we need is another high priced winger.

correct, except this currently applies to just about any vet, not just a W
hfb largely not checking cf and has no idea how crazy the cap crunch is gonna be until Trouba and then Panarin are dealt/not extended at same $

ranger$ always get their guy and make it work under cap restrictions. Personally think they should go for it.

NY usually gets its guy, check, but esp pre cap.
Cap, not so much
Restrictions tighter than ever, and roster, plus so many w/trade protection clauses, does not make going around cap doable, esp in any signif way

Totally should NOT go for it.
Should max window by keeping young core of roster, not trading it, and trade vets for more youth to = cap compliant and sustain longer window

NY can’t afford Kane, even with retention. They need a 2C. Whatever cap space they have will go towards re-signing their guys + a 2C. Trading Kakko for someone who’s a year away from being an UFA is absolutely stupid.

This^.
I liked the cheap upside in Barron, sorry to see him go, but appears Jets insisted. I think we are covered on 2C w/Copp + improving Chytil, who will click w/Vatrano and prob Gauthier, although the immediate add here should be the now available Krav.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

If the Hawks want to go the full teardown route this summer and Kane wants to reunite with Panarin, what would be a realistic package coming from NY if Kane agrees to sign an extension after July 1 and waive his NMC to go to the Rangers. Is Kakko the starting point? Assuming Lafreniere is off the table...

How much is the Hawks retaining? That will factor into any return they may get.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

How much is the Hawks retaining? That will factor into any return they may get.

can retain half since his contract expires after next season and he can sign the new deal with NY

 

[Alluckks]

Rangers can't afford Kane even at half retained.

Also the idea of increasing his trade value by a hypothetical agreed to extension, especially of a player that age, is wishful thinking on the seller fan at best

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Rangers can't afford Kane even at half retained.

Also the idea of increasing his trade value by a hypothetical agreed to extension, especially of a player that age, is wishful thinking on the seller fan at best

He has 86 pts this year in 70 games.

 

[Alluckks]

He has 86 pts this year in 70 games.

What are the last contracts where an extension was a condition of the trade and the player was age 34+? Genuine question

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

If the Hawks want to go the full teardown route this summer and Kane wants to reunite with Panarin, what would be a realistic package coming from NY if Kane agrees to sign an extension after July 1 and waive his NMC to go to the Rangers. Is Kakko the starting point? Assuming Lafreniere is off the table...

If Kane can decide where he goes (assuming he wants out), the Rangers won’t need to deal a piece like Kakko. Look back to what the Rangers gave up for Rick Nash and what they got for McDonaugh (and that was for two playoff runs). I’d Kane the better player? Of course, but these kind of trades never return huge psckages-especially if Kane veto any trade.

 

[rangersfansince08]

If Kane can decide where he goes (assuming he wants out), the Rangers won’t need to deal a piece like Kakko. Look back to what the Rangers gave up for Rick Nash and what they got for McDonaugh (and that was for two playoff runs). I’d Kane the better player? Of course, but these kind of trades never return huge psckages-especially if Kane veto any trade.

Or even Claude Giroux

 

[TommyDangles]

If Kane can decide where he goes (assuming he wants out), the Rangers won’t need to deal a piece like Kakko. Look back to what the Rangers gave up for Rick Nash and what they got for McDonaugh (and that was for two playoff runs). I’d Kane the better player? Of course, but these kind of trades never return huge psckages-especially if Kane veto any trade.

Pat Kane is a way bigger player than those 2. The guy has 86 points in 70 games. I think Laf + Lundqvist + cap dump + 1st for Kane (50% retained) would be fair.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Pat Kane is a way bigger player than those 2. The guy has 86 points in 70 games. I think Laf + Lundqvist + cap dump + 1st for Kane (50% retained) would be fair.

But there's no reason for the Rangers to give that up. If Kane decides he' willing to waive to Rangers, who are they really bidding against?

And I already said that Kane is a better player than the other two players....

 

[TommyDangles]

But there's no reason for the Rangers to give that up. If Kane decides he' willing to waive to Rangers, who are they really bidding against?

And I already said that Kane is a better player than the other two players....

Colorado would be interested. Kane has already praised the team a few times. There will probably be a few other contenders interested too.

Kane is going to get a pretty good return for whoever trades for him

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Colorado would be interested. Kane has already praised the team a few times. There will probably be a few other contenders interested too.

Kane is going to get a pretty good return for whoever trades for him

Nobody says the Rangers have to trade for him. If he wants to play with Panarin again, that's something Colorado just can't offer.

 

[TommyDangles]

Nobody says the Rangers have to trade for him. If he wants to play with Panarin again, that's something Colorado just can't offer.

If Rangers want him they are going to have to give up something good. You're not gonna get a star play retained for some bozo prospect and a late pick.

Colorado can just offer a guy named MacKinnon instead