Pastrnak 5 Min Major & Game Misconduct for Hit on Lindgren

[Mione134]

When a Bruins player gets hit:

"What a dirty prick"
"What a clown"
"Running around like a rat instead of Manning up like a Boston Bruin "

When a Bruins player makes the hit:

"BIG BAD BRUINS BABY"
"DONT POKE THE BEAR"
"WE ABIDE BY THE CODE. WE DONT HAVE DIRTY RATS"

Too bad their "Big bad bruins" days are over. Soft as a butter team nowadays. Somehow works better for them anyway to focus more on skill but atleast I dont have to see them contradict toughness as much as they used to

We haven't been the "Big Bad Bruins" in over a decade. We don't even say that anymore, in fact, most of us Bruins fans think our team is soft and has been for some time lol

 

[OVO16]

We haven't been the "Big Bad Bruins" in over a decade. We don't even say that anymore, in fact, most of us Bruins fans think our team is soft and has been for some time lol

Lmao ive def seen bruins fans on the main board stll flex the old "big bad bruins" mantra. Maybe its pride talking and not willing to admit the team is just soft now

But if according to you more fans are starting to realize the bruins are soft, then hey thats a start

 

[TD Charlie]

It’s nothing to do with being a fan of either team. Player safety should be important to all hockey fans.

It is, and turning your back to the rest of the ice is generally a poor idea

 

[Mione134]

Lmao ive def seen bruins fans on the main board stll flex the old "big bad bruins" mantra. Maybe its pride talking and not willing to admit the team is just soft now

But if according to you more fans are starting to realize the bruins are soft, then hey thats a start

the main board is a cesspool 99.8% of the time. Most of us stick to our board and fight amongst ourselves.

I still think it's strange that our star player has been dishing out hits and being physical compared to our entire roster. You think we want Pasta throwing out big ass hits like this? Heck no. But he gets wrecked every game. We don't have anyone to essentially step up besides Frederic. And even then that's asking too much.

We have 1 d-men who hits hard and that McAvoy and he's hurt. The Bruins have been soft for a long ass time. We had Hathaway last year who once he came to the team didn't hit or do anything that he did before coming and leaving. It was strange. I know people on here love to say we're dirty and we're big bad whatever. We're not. We're puppies at this transition point.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Because what I’m asking is for you to explain why this is functionally different than a defenseman retrieving a loose puck in the corner in any other setting. They aren’t engaged, he’s got multiple feet on the attacker, and is assuredly going to get to the puck first.

What makes his obligation different here than if it were dumped in by another forechecker? This isn’t a bang bang play made unfortunate by a sudden turn, this is a guy seeing numbers from like the circles.

If Lindgren had just made a bad pass off the boards and now it’s coming right back into his corner but he’s got half the distance to travel that the forecheck does, he’s not going to race there and then post up to be crushed flat footed… you suggest this isn’t a hockey play or is a bad decision on his part but it’s not, it’s no different than “giving up your back” to chase pucks in any other phase of the game.

Typically these scenarios involve a defenseman having to race back to retrieve a puck from the boards, under a lot of time pressure and with few options. Typically he’s got a guy directly behind him, which makes it difficult to anticipate the forechecker’s speed and direction. That’s a tough situation for a defenseman and as a forechecker, you have his safety in your hands.

This play involves Lindgren coming all the way around the net, looking directly at Pastrnak who’s already loading up for a heavy forecheck, taking two strides and then glancing at Pastrnak a second time to verify that he’s definitely coming in for a hit… and then inexplicably showing his numbers while extending weakly toward the puck. You can see it in Pastrnak’s body language after the hit, that exasperated shrug at the ref as if to say “what am I supposed to do if the guy is willing to do that?”

The onus is on Pastrnak not to make a dangerous hit, that’s obvious and not being disputed. But there’s also an element of basic common-sense self preservation in full-contact hockey. You don’t look at a forechecker twice and then turn your back to him. That’s just pure foolishness.

 

[ijuka]

It's modern defense in NHL. Rather than just receiving the hit, you intentionally make yourself vulnerable, and either: 1. the forechecker lets up even though he shouldn't have to or 2. the forechecker receives a penalty.

Leads to a ton of injuries because sometimes the forechecker just can't let up in time but hey, can't learn to receive hits.

 

[Breakers]

I feel like ive seen about 6 or 7 hits in the past 2 weeks of Lindgren getting franking obliterated

does this guy have any awareness

 

[HTFN]

Typically these scenarios involve a defenseman having to race back to retrieve a puck from the boards, under a lot of time pressure and with few options. Typically he’s got a guy directly behind him, which makes it difficult to anticipate the forechecker’s speed and direction. That’s a tough situation for a defenseman and as a forechecker, you have his safety in your hands.

This play involves Lindgren coming all the way around the net, looking directly at Pastrnak who’s already loading up for a heavy forecheck, taking two strides and then glancing at Pastrnak a second time to verify that he’s definitely coming in for a hit… and then inexplicably showing his numbers while extending weakly toward the puck. You can see it in Pastrnak’s body language after the hit, that exasperated shrug at the ref as if to say “what am I supposed to do if the guy is willing to do that?”

The onus is on Pastrnak not to make a dangerous hit, that’s obvious and not being disputed. But there’s also an element of basic common-sense self preservation in full-contact hockey. You don’t look at a forechecker twice and then turn your back to him. That’s just pure foolishness.

He didn't "look at a forechecker twice and then turn his back" he had his back turned and looked over his shoulder to time the play. Again, in plenty of scenarios (and not just dump ins) that is the element of self preservation, because you're still not describing anything that doesn't happen on dump-ins and the rules aren't suddenly different just because the puck was dumped.

Hypothetically Lindgren makes a pass from behind his net, it is chipped off the boards, and then stolen through neutral (breakout over). Lindgren, who is trailing the play but not out of the zone, sees the puck dumped back into his corner and a forechecker already at speed. In the NHL right now you will see a lot of players willing to seemingly meander back to that puck so that they get to it at the time of the forechecker. So long as they do it with good body position they're not opening themselves to be finished as the "legal man" afterwards, and showing numbers is going to prevent most players from throwing your face into the glass.

There's no incentive to rush back and then try to change direction with someone bearing down on you, or open yourself out of some sense of fair play. You say "what's Pastrnak supposed to do?" but like... you also agree it's a major so the answer is "literally anything else" and I don't see how you get to see this one both ways. You say his body language says "please board me I don't care" but all I see is "please pin me, I could use the rest and don't really want to meet you 50/50 on this one"

 

[tarheelhockey]

He didn't "look at a forechecker twice and then turn his back" he had his back turned and looked over his shoulder to time the play.

Watch it again. Coming from behind the net, he looks straight at Pastrnak. That’s when he’s skating forward. He then glances at him a second time, while turning laterally to show numbers. He either knew what he was doing, or he went into absolute no-brain mode.

Again, in plenty of scenarios (and not just dump ins) that is the element of self preservation, because you're still not describing anything that doesn't happen on dump-ins and the rules aren't suddenly different just because the puck was dumped.

Hypothetically Lindgren makes a pass from behind his net, it is chipped off the boards, and then stolen through neutral (breakout over). Lindgren, who is trailing the play but not out of the zone, sees the puck dumped back into his corner and a forechecker already at speed. In the NHL right now you will see a lot of players willing to seemingly meander back to that puck so that they get to it at the time of the forechecker. So long as they do it with good body position they're not opening themselves to be finished as the "legal man" afterwards, and showing numbers is going to prevent most players from throwing your face into the glass.

There's no incentive to rush back and then try to change direction with someone bearing down on you, or open yourself out of some sense of fair play. You say "what's Pastrnak supposed to do?" but like... you also agree it's a major so the answer is "literally anything else" and I don't see how you get to see this one both ways. You say his body language says "please board me I don't care" but all I see is "please pin me, I could use the rest and don't really want to meet you 50/50 on this one"

This is a lot of words and no new point being made. I’ve already said repeatedly that it’s a penalty because regardless of circumstances, the hitter is responsible for the hit. That has no bearing on Lindgren also making a ludicrously stupid move which put him in serious physical danger.

“Please pin me”… is not a realistic option when you’re extending toward the puck at arm’s length from the boards. There is a time and place for that, and this ain’t it, as demonstrated by the outcome.

I’m not sure what you’re looking for here. Do you want me to say it’s safe for an NHL player to look directly at an oncoming heavy hit and deliberately show numbers a split-second before contact?

 

[HTFN]

Watch it again. Coming from behind the net, he looks straight at Pastrnak. That’s when he’s skating forward. He then glances at him a second time, while turning laterally to show numbers. He either knew what he was doing, or he went into absolute no-brain mode.



This is a lot of words and no new point being made. I’ve already said repeatedly that it’s a penalty because regardless of circumstances, the hitter is responsible for the hit. That has no bearing on Lindgren also making a ludicrously stupid move which put him in serious physical danger.

“Please pin me”… is not a realistic option when you’re extending toward the puck at arm’s length from the boards. There is a time and place for that, and this ain’t it, as demonstrated by the outcome.

I’m not sure what you’re looking for here. Do you want me to say it’s safe for an NHL player to look directly at an oncoming heavy hit and deliberately show numbers a split-second before contact?

The fact that you keep bringing this up is ridiculous, because it didn't happen and the rulebook has provisions against it so it's obviously not what we're talking about in a situation where a guy earned his major by your own admission. I want the same thing I've wanted from you to the whole time: why a player showing his numbers chasing a loose puck at speed is legally different from a player along the boards presenting his numbers for the same amount of time. It doesn't matter if he's slow to a loose puck or the just the third guy in a board battle who touches the puck and gets charged by a guy from the circles who just went for it, which is honestly not far off from what this was.

Show me one thing that says Lindgren is required to do anything like meet his opponent head on. He can stand there and wave at row 1 if he wants, if he gets to the puck first and he's the legal man and someone blasts his head into the glass they're 100% in the wrong.

Showing numbers all the way is basically broadcasting to everyone "I am not making 50/50 contact. Stop sign rules, I'm not eligible to be hit right now, take appropriate non-boarding action because it's not happening this time". Please pin me is absolutely a realistic option when you're just pushing the puck along the wall and don't want to get f***ing obliterated for touching it. It happens all the goddamn time, players shove the puck and then basically go prone into the glass....

This is amazing coming from you. The only person who actually put him in major physical danger is Pastrnak, because by every rule in the book Lindgren played the game and Pastrnak broke the rules. Even the one specific rule about material change in body position didn't save him, so all this shit you're shoving is nonsense.

 

[Ducer]

meh I'm still with the bruins coach it's a 2 min penalty, imagine losing Pasta in a playoff game because the other teams tactic is to be on the ice with no self awareness.

 

[Sayba]

It is, and turning your back to the rest of the ice is generally a poor idea

These kind of opinions will keep the game dangerous for the NHL and everyone else who plays competitive hockey.

 

[DialUp]

"Running around like a rat instead of Manning up like a Boston Bruin "

Hell yeah!

 

[TD Charlie]

These kind of opinions will keep the game dangerous for the NHL and everyone else who plays competitive hockey.

It’s a physical competitive sport, inherently dangerous. You’d think most guys would understand that by now and wouldn’t face the glass when they know they’re about to be hit

 

[tarheelhockey]

The fact that you keep bringing this up is ridiculous, because it didn't happen and the rulebook has provisions against it so it's obviously not what we're talking about in a situation where a guy earned his major by your own admission. I want the same thing I've wanted from you to the whole time: why a player showing his numbers chasing a loose puck at speed is legally different from a player along the boards presenting his numbers for the same amount of time. It doesn't matter if he's slow to a loose puck or the just the third guy in a board battle who touches the puck and gets charged by a guy from the circles who just went for it, which is honestly not far off from what this was.

Show me one thing that says Lindgren is required to do anything like meet his opponent head on. He can stand there and wave at row 1 if he wants, if he gets to the puck first and he's the legal man and someone blasts his head into the glass they're 100% in the wrong.

Showing numbers all the way is basically broadcasting to everyone "I am not making 50/50 contact. Stop sign rules, I'm not eligible to be hit right now, take appropriate non-boarding action because it's not happening this time". Please pin me is absolutely a realistic option when you're just pushing the puck along the wall and don't want to get f***ing obliterated for touching it. It happens all the goddamn time, players shove the puck and then basically go prone into the glass....

This is amazing coming from you. The only person who actually put him in major physical danger is Pastrnak, because by every rule in the book Lindgren played the game and Pastrnak broke the rules. Even the one specific rule about material change in body position didn't save him, so all this shit you're shoving is nonsense.

Of course there’s no legal requirement for Lindgren to protect himself. Just like there’s no legal requirement for a pedestrian not to enter a crosswalk at the same instant as a moving bus. It’s a matter of common sense, basic rules of the road for people who want to be around to use them tomorrow.

Again, I’m not sure what exactly this long-ass argument is supposed to accomplish. But keep going off if the outrage makes you feel good.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Lmao ive def seen bruins fans on the main board stll flex the old "big bad bruins" mantra. Maybe its pride talking and not willing to admit the team is just soft now

But if according to you more fans are starting to realize the bruins are soft, then hey thats a start

I don’t understand why it gets people off so much to generalize biased fans out of fanbases.

Do you not think the same phenomenon occurs with whatever team you root for? One sided thinking isn’t limited to any single fanbase. It’s just how some people act.

The only difference is you either overlook it or agree with it when it happens to be fans of your team.

 

[wintersej]

Disagree that Lindgren "spun into it" when his numbers were facing Pastrnak the whole time.

Whether or not you think he deserves a suspension, DoPS uses a scale where bigger name players won't get a suspension if the offense was committed on a smaller name player - I don't expect to see one.

I don't even feel comfortable saying whether or not he deserves a suspension considering how inconsistently they enforce the rules, we can't even use a reliable standard as a reference point. Hope Lindgren is okay though.

So I do think the camera angle makes it seem like the numbers were there longer than they were. It was NOT one of those “turn at the last instant” ones where Pasta wasn’t at fault, but our camera angle had numbers way longer than Pasta’s angle did.

 

[Number8]

Hitting a guy in the numbers into the boards is not a hockey play...

Hence the whole... Getting thrown out of the game.

Oh come on. Just stop with the drama.

I go to check a guy into the boards -- regardless of whether it is a good hit or a bad hit -- checking someone into the boards is and always has been a "hockey play". Checking has always been a pivotal part of the game. You think Pasta wanted to board/hurt him and I think he got timing wrong. Either way it was in incident that was involved in the act of making a hockey play.

I go for a two handed stick swing at a guys head and make contact. Never has been, never will be, a "hockey play".

 

[DarrenBanks56]

I was thinking 1 game only because of the speed pasta made the hit at. Def a charge.
But I seriously think they gave 0 games because he got the 5 and the boot, no injury, plus the fact Trouba got nothing from chopping wood on Frederic a couple weeks ago.

 

[Number8]

Lmao ive def seen bruins fans on the main board stll flex the old "big bad bruins" mantra. Maybe its pride talking and not willing to admit the team is just soft now

But if according to you more fans are starting to realize the bruins are soft, then hey thats a start

Go spend some time on the Bruins boards -- read the Roster/Salary Cap thread in particular. You will see a lot of people saying Bruins are not physical enough and badly need an infusion of physicality on D and up top. And I'm not exaggerating one bit. You'll see a lot of that discussion. Including the inclusion of some shockingly bad suggested pick-ups to solve the problem.

 

[Number8]

Hell yeah!

Can we please leave Payton Manning out of this. He didn't do anything wrong.

But since someone had to drag him into it, here's something that should make you all like Payton just a little bit more. Merry Christmas all, and you are welcome in advance for the laughs.

 

[TGWL]

There is no hearing because he already received the misconduct. If you were going to suspended him following a hearing, at most it would be 1 game, or a fine, right? So there's really no need for that here with the misconduct. It doesn't mean Boston got away with one. It also doesn't mean the league didn't view it as a bad hit.

 

[goldnblack]

If Pasta could play with that kind of grit 30% of the rest of the time, he'd be special.

Think they got this one right. The match penalty was enough.

 

[CamMac]

And this is roughing?

Show the penalties the Bruins got called for in the 3rd. It’s almost like refs are incompetent and it’s not a league conspiracy. Are you going to bring up daddy Campbell next?

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Lmao ive def seen bruins fans on the main board stll flex the old "big bad bruins" mantra. Maybe its pride talking and not willing to admit the team is just soft now

But if according to you more fans are starting to realize the bruins are soft, then hey thats a start

You most certainly do not. This team has not been tough since around 2018. Rival fanbases are who still cling to the perception as victims generally.