Roster Moves: (Part II) Gostisbehere, 2022 2nd, 2022 7th to AZ, cap relief in return

[Ghosts Beer]

There is no shot any team gives him 7 years. We shall see what he gets money wise and term. 4 years at what number?

3 years $15M would be my guess as a ceiling. Probably less on both money and term. I mean, it wasn't long ago no team wanted him at $4.5M.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

3 years $15M would be my guess as a ceiling. Probably less on both money and term. I mean, it wasn't long ago no team wanted him at $4.5M.

Come on man. That was all cap related. No other reason a team with a good GM could have found a way to make it work. All because of the cap hit.

That being said his current contract doesn't mean that much once you hit free agency. IMO anyway.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Come on man. That was all cap related. No other reason a team with a good GM could have found a way to make it work. All because of the cap hit.

That being said his current contract doesn't mean that much once you hit free agency. IMO anyway.

What it tells you that as recently as a couple of years ago no team in the league thought he was worth a $4.5M cap hit. Even an expansion team with no cap issues. So I think that's gotta factor in somewhat to predicting what he'll get this summer as a UFA, even though he's put up points in AZ.

Edit: I’ll set the over/unders for Ghost’s next contract as:

Term: 3.5 yrs
Cap hit per: $5.1M

And I’ll take the unders on both. You?

 

[blackjackmulligan]

What it tells you that as recently as a couple of years ago no team in the league thought he was worth a $4.5M cap hit. Even an expansion team with no cap issues. So I think that's gotta factor in somewhat to predicting what he'll get this summer as a UFA, even though he's put up points in AZ.

Edit: I’ll set the over/unders for Ghost’s next contract as:

Term: 3.5 yrs
Cap hit per: $5.1M

And I’ll take the unders on both. You?

I think the term is good you have. I will go over. 4 years 5.5 or so.

 

[Beef Invictus]

No one believes that a GM is infallible.


Plus a long term deal. How may top pair guys will be a free agent this summer at age 29?

People here have argued several times that the collective judgement of GMs cannot be wrong. They did this to justify Fletcher waiving players and losing trades for them.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

People here have argued several times that the collective judgement of GMs cannot be wrong. They did this to justify Fletcher waiving players and losing trades for them.

GMing is really hard..

give Fletch some time...

hahaa...

i memrr....

 

[Rebels57]

An all-time bad trade in the history of the sport. Will makes lists for years to come. Bad lists that you don't want to be on.

 

[Appleyard]

 

[Beef Invictus]

 

[Appleyard]

 

[ajgoal]

You call this analysis? He's a bottom pair PP specialist, my man. It's been said so many times it MUST be true.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I was once told he was a 7th dman.

 

[ajgoal]

I was once told he was a 7th dman.

Only because most teams don't carry 13.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

none of that can be right... we were told he wasnt even NHL caliber..

 

[Flyerfan4life]

the gift that keeps on giving...

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Yeah but has, checks notes, Artem Duda done anything?

 

[ajgoal]

I was once told he was a 7th dman.

 

[VladDrag]

You call this analysis? He's a bottom pair PP specialist, my man. It's been said so many times it MUST be true.

Did you wait 3 years?

 

[FLYguy3911]

Yeah but has, checks notes, Artem Duda done anything?

Actually having a solid year as a 20 year old in the AHL after getting denied eligibility by the NCAA and having to make a pit stop playing University Hockey in Canada last year. Huge jump in competition.

 

[kudymen]

I think that is the strongest point he made so far

 

[Appleyard]

The thing that gets me is that it was indefensible at the time...

ignore the player. Ignore the cost.

The whole Ghost, Risto, DeAngelo chain of events would be a fantastic example in a MBA course on asset management and how not to do it.

 

[freakydallas13]

The thing that gets me is that it was indefensible at the time...

ignore the player. Ignore the cost.

The whole Ghost, Risto, DeAngelo chain of events would be a fantastic example in a MBA course on asset management and how not to do it.

What about trading a 2024 first round pick for a 2025 first round pick and getting nothing for delaying it a year?

 

[kudymen]

chain of events would be a fantastic example in a MBA course on asset management

Certain college lecturer of law and economics (wat) called it "water under the bridge" soooo no need to study it.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Actually having a solid year as a 20 year old in the AHL after getting denied eligibility by the NCAA and having to make a pit stop playing University Hockey in Canada last year. Huge jump in competition.

I just checked my rankings for that year and my BPA for that pick was... Calder contender Lane Hutson lol.

 

[Appleyard]

Like... in any negotiation, business etc... even partnership building you have to ask specific questions.

Why are we doing this?
Is there an alternative to achieve the same for similar value?

They did not ask either of those with Ghost, Risto and Tony D.

Also, if you have an asset and value it less than the market... well... yeh... that is a cause to sell. But IF you sell you sell early. Never sit on the fence and wait because the asset will lose value (cough Wayne Simmonds cough)... and once you do? Well, generally if the value is nothing then keep it and try and rebuild value!

What you dont do in any business when you have an asset is... talk shit about the asset in public, tell everyone you dont want the asset, and then beg them to take it from you. And then give someone extra value to get rid of it without asking "hey, actually why am I getting rid of this for negative value... the bank are not going to default us, the world wont end...".

Too many GMs just dont ask these kind of questions. Because some of these things are really just day 1 stuff, we went through this when doing classes on arbitration, contract law etc at age 18. I dont know how Fletcher did what he did considering he had a freaking business degree from Harvard, makes it even worse lmao.