According to who? You? Tradition?
You can get proper nutrition and 'balance' without eating everything that is possible to be consumed. Do you eat plastic and dog **** and bark too? Why limit your balance to animals?
Parents who force a vegan diet on to their children would face prison under a new law
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You can get proper nutrition and 'balance' without eating everything that is possible to be consumed. Do you eat plastic and dog **** and bark too? Why limit your balance to animals?
Mantis
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Zorf
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Equating the life of any animal to the life of a human is beyond stupid. Take a moment, think for a minute, and realize that this is the worst argument you could ever use.
Just to help you along, say you walk by a burning house, and you had the option to save a child or some animal, but you can only save one before the house explodes in a fiery blaze of glory, who would you save? Obviously the child. Why? BECAUSE HUMAN LIFE HAS MORE VALUE THAN ANIMAL LIFE.
But sure, equate chickens on a farm to slaves. See how far that argument gets you.
Ugh. This is ridiculous.
Zorf
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This coming from the logic genius who thinks animal life equals human life?
Got it.
Mantis
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I love how no one's talking about the poor child anymore or his ****head parents, and discussion has devolved into the pros and cons of veganism.
Again.
Lounge, you never fail to disappoint.
Again.
Lounge, you never fail to disappoint.
romba
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Siamese Dream
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"herpety derp that herbivore monkey with large canines that are actually clearly for intimidation herpety derp"
Mantis
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romba
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Hmmm if they were for intimidation purposes then they should probably look more intimidating. #whateverfitsmynarrative
Herpety durp. Did I do it right?
Juzmo
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The scenario you described would indeed be terrible, but not very realistic since people just aren't just going to stop eating or using animal products overnight to then make all these animal products unsellable and then making the release of these animals into the wild into an option of any kind.
Instead we decrease the demand of these products so the number of bred animals also decreases, but for the benefit of basically every other being on this planet when considering how much environmental harm animal agriculture is causing with the huge amount of greenhouse gasses, rainforest destruction, topsoil erosion, ocean dead zones, and every other environmental ill its the leading cause of.
Harm to the environment we humans live in, while also paying for the process with either the large amount of subsidies given to this highly unsustainable industry, paying with our health with food-borne illnesses, rise of antibiotic resistance bacteria, and possibly increasing the risk of cancers, and paying for the environmental harm mentioned previously that the industry doesn't have to take responsibility for either. People losing their lives or livelihoods because of these environmental ills and climate change that they are a huge part in, and doing all this while also treating ton of the people who are working for many of these companies very poorly in the different stages of the process to also cut costs somehow.
Obviously not forgetting all the other animals that keep having their habitats destroyed or polluted and as a result becoming endangered or extinct.
To do all this to so many others in order to unsustainably breed these billions of animals with emotional and intellectual capabilities to simply have shortened, often miserable lives in subpar conditions and then simply be slaughtered and made into a meal. Doing this while living in civilization full of nutritious and enjoyable plant-based alternatives to eat on a healthy, balanced diet.
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romba
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All human raised animals for eating purposes should be humanely raised, live a comfortable life and be fed their natural diet as much as possible. Because it makes sense. The food will end up tasting better and be healthier as well with less harm to our environment.
An added benefit is this will raise the cost of meat and fish products and will thus limit their demand. Will never happen in our society in our time though. So for now I'll enjoy my $1.49/lb chicken.
An added benefit is this will raise the cost of meat and fish products and will thus limit their demand. Will never happen in our society in our time though. So for now I'll enjoy my $1.49/lb chicken.
bombers15
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Ah, this again.
Remember last time - when you equated a human life to no more valuable than a mosquito? Yeah, good luck convincing others that they should join veganism because "life is life."
Everyone values certain life more than others. And I guarantee you do too. Hell, the hypocrisy is pretty obvious when you spend your time campaigning for the life of a few pigs and cows. Go big - why aren't you protesting the use of chemicals to kill mosquitoes? The difference in numbers is astronomical, so it would seem that you do value some life more than others.
Besides, let's take your "ethical perspective" to its limits. If humans are no different than insects, then we - like insects - can't make ethical choices. We're just animals after all. So if we can't make ethical choices then the whole "ethical" argument falls apart.
Besides, if we're no different than a shark, why aren't you getting mad at the shark for eating fish? Wait, let me guess - because humans have the ability to make choices. Correct! Which defeats your assertion that humans are no different than every other animal.
bombers15
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I tore him apart a month or two ago for his same assertion. He said that all life - humans, insects, cows, dogs, etc. - has exactly the same worth.
Which is a moronic assertion to begin with, as 2 minutes of philosophical scrutiny will prove it wrong. Plus it's an atrocious strategy if he wants others to become vegans. "Oh, you think I'm no more valuable than a dung beetle? Awesome argument, I will change my eating habits."
But I think what bothers me most is that he himself values certain life more than others. Of course he does. Everybody does. But he's too stubborn to admit it.
Wait a second, are you trying to tell me he said or implied that human life is equal to a mosquito and thus killing a mosquito is equivalent to murdering a human being, cow or chicken? I don't even think TJ could make such a stupid statement.
Please provide proof of him saying this. I can't fathom him being this stupid even if he is purely just trying to troll. Saying that would make him lose all credibility and would clearly out him to be a troll which clearly his schtick relies heavily on people having some doubt, no matter how small that doubt is.
If you're trying to tell me he actually said a mosquito's life is equivalent to a humans and thus he would never even kill a mosquito, the guy is either the biggest troll ever or has some sort of mental disability of some kind, maybe both.
Siamese Dream
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One of TJ's great personal contradictions is when he pretends to be all spiritual and accepting of everyone and everything and then hilariously acts in completely the opposite way. I'll point it out the next time he does it. Thanks for reminding me.
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bombers15
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Behold, the mind of Chris Hagen. You can browse that whole thread for some of the back-and-forth.
