Well one good thing is that Panarin is in his home in Connecticut and at least as of now not traveling to Russia.
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Surely the woman that allegedly got beaten up would chime in on the accusations? Lies and slander until there's an actual victim to be found.
Some places where people get their news pose as news sources, while sending out stories that are made up.
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***DISCLAIMER***
Any politics mentioned in the below post, is only so to explain the shenanigans that (might) be behind the publishing of the accusation. Essentially how the Russian gov propaganda machine works, in a nutshell.
***DISCLAIMER***
Since I was locked out of the thread, I might be late with my input, but thought I'd chime in anyway.
Most here don't know much (if anything) about the people who aired the accusations, who published the interview, and who stand behind all this.
So a quick rundown of the background of the illustrious gentlemen and orgs involved.
Unlike the US (and any adequate system for that matter), the Russian politics/public and private funds landscape is rigidly vertically integrated (sometimes the term "occupied" is bandied about... but I digress). And hockey is not an exception.
Considering the above, what's laid out below shouldn't be too much of a shock.
The Boss
Gennady Timchenko - a Russian "businessman", close associate of Putin.
Nickname "Gangrene" (no kidding). Earned no doubt due to some impeccably scrupulous business practices (or more than just business...)
Known as on of Putin's "right hands" and has some special projects assigned to oversee.
Including the well-known KHL. Basically, he (or I guess rather his people) is in charge of running the thing.
Officially the chair of the board of directors of the KHL (Общая информация о Лиге : Континентальная Хоккейная Лига (КХЛ)).
The capo
Igor Larin - A hockey "journalist" with a very particular reputation.
Once the spokesman of the Russian national hockey team (him having been chosen for the role is indicative enough).
For some years now he's been running a website, russia-hockey.ru. Set up by and funded by Timchenko. Larin basically acknowledged the fact. See eg «В России майданы постоянно вскакивают – как прыщи». Чем живет самый одиозный человек российского хоккея (in Russian).
This little set up is a two-bob mouthpiece of the government figures running Russian hockey as a whole.
In Russia pretty much everything is run by someone having close ties or simply in the gov, bc the power and hence the big money is basically privatised by a certain clique.
One of the sites older articles, literally titled "Timchenko's breakthrough" Прорыв Тимченко | russia-hockey.ru In a sugary soviet-style propaganda narrative, licks Timchenko from head to toe and among other things praises the appointment of one Andrei Nazarov as the head coach of the KHL "premiere" team - SKA St. Petersburg...
Most site's materials are in the same mold.
Admittedly, labeling this character "the capo" is quite a bit generous.
The henchman
Andrei Nazarov - a former NHL tough guy, and a former head coach in the KHL.
(here Naz is pictured with a member of another of Putin's closest clans, also deeply vested in Russia's big centralized "project hockey". From Naz's days at SKA St. Petersburg).
Known in the last years by his outrageous (and some would say not unpaid) media appearances and outspoken opinions. Always geared towards a certain political agenda, mostly pseudo-patriotic of the lowest sort, chest-banging in nature.
Often regarded a clown even by the government aligned crowd. Even by some of his fellow "experts" published on russia-hockey. Eg the soviet hockey great Boris Mikhailov expressed deep doubt in the nature of the accusations (the 76-yo Mikhailov is well known to have opinions that are totally aligned with the "party line").
Naz's attacks on what they call "liberalism" in general and lately Bread in particular are routinely published by russia-hockey, and elsewhere.
When his media interviews are referred to in some discussion, the amount of hits to the head he took while playing is often brought up (semi-jestfully).
Timchenko in 2015: "Nazarov is a good choice" (Геннадий Тимченко: "Назаров – хороший выбор")
Nazarov in 2017: "I'm the soldier in the KHL while Timchenko and Chernishenko are our generals". (Назаров: считаю себя солдатом КХЛ, а наши генералы — Тимченко и Чернышенко , republished from russia-hockey)
The outlet
Komsomolskaya Pravda (KP) - a Russian political tabloid, dating long back to soviet times.
Has a history of being totally controlled by Putin's "vertical" of power (there aren't many that are at least somewhat independent, but KP is one of those that at the front-line) and publishing political slander against what is perceived unwanted by the said "vertical".
Incidentally, the author under whose name the interview with Nazzi was published is somewhat a mystery - no soc media presence, no nothing. And previously having mostly similar politically-geared articles under his belt...
Bottom line: This merry company have successfully trolled the NHL and hurt their target, simply bc NYR/NHL are so concerned with their positive *iamge*, also known as reputation, so that a *very* suspect accusation like this one sends the org and the NHL into an international upheaval. That was their target and as of yet, they've made it. The most important part here is that *they* aren't concerned with *their* image. The more outrageous it is the better. Bc that what the currency is in a state propaganda game. So they have a free hand to do effectively whatever they want.
As you have no doubt noticed, I've not once mentioned the accusation/incident subject itself - this was intended. Because, how do I know? Or anybody for that matter. But I (and now you) know the above for the facts at least...
Though speaking of the accusation itself, it contains some contradicting facts, already pointed out in the media.
Any politics mentioned in the below post, is only so to explain the shenanigans that (might) be behind the publishing of the accusation. Essentially how the Russian gov propaganda machine works, in a nutshell.
***DISCLAIMER***
Since I was locked out of the thread, I might be late with my input, but thought I'd chime in anyway.
Most here don't know much (if anything) about the people who aired the accusations, who published the interview, and who stand behind all this.
So a quick rundown of the background of the illustrious gentlemen and orgs involved.
Unlike the US (and any adequate system for that matter), the Russian politics/public and private funds landscape is rigidly vertically integrated (sometimes the term "occupied" is bandied about... but I digress). And hockey is not an exception.
Considering the above, what's laid out below shouldn't be too much of a shock.
The Boss
Gennady Timchenko - a Russian "businessman", close associate of Putin.
Nickname "Gangrene" (no kidding). Earned no doubt due to some impeccably scrupulous business practices (or more than just business...)
Known as on of Putin's "right hands" and has some special projects assigned to oversee.
Including the well-known KHL. Basically, he (or I guess rather his people) is in charge of running the thing.
Officially the chair of the board of directors of the KHL (Общая информация о Лиге : Континентальная Хоккейная Лига (КХЛ)).
The capo
Igor Larin - A hockey "journalist" with a very particular reputation.
Once the spokesman of the Russian national hockey team (him having been chosen for the role is indicative enough).
For some years now he's been running a website, russia-hockey.ru. Set up by and funded by Timchenko. Larin basically acknowledged the fact. See eg «В России майданы постоянно вскакивают – как прыщи». Чем живет самый одиозный человек российского хоккея (in Russian).
This little set up is a two-bob mouthpiece of the government figures running Russian hockey as a whole.
In Russia pretty much everything is run by someone having close ties or simply in the gov, bc the power and hence the big money is basically privatised by a certain clique.
One of the sites older articles, literally titled "Timchenko's breakthrough" Прорыв Тимченко | russia-hockey.ru In a sugary soviet-style propaganda narrative, licks Timchenko from head to toe and among other things praises the appointment of one Andrei Nazarov as the head coach of the KHL "premiere" team - SKA St. Petersburg...
Most site's materials are in the same mold.
Admittedly, labeling this character "the capo" is quite a bit generous.
The henchman
Andrei Nazarov - a former NHL tough guy, and a former head coach in the KHL.
(here Naz is pictured with a member of another of Putin's closest clans, also deeply vested in Russia's big centralized "project hockey". From Naz's days at SKA St. Petersburg).
Known in the last years by his outrageous (and some would say not unpaid) media appearances and outspoken opinions. Always geared towards a certain political agenda, mostly pseudo-patriotic of the lowest sort, chest-banging in nature.
Often regarded a clown even by the government aligned crowd. Even by some of his fellow "experts" published on russia-hockey. Eg the soviet hockey great Boris Mikhailov expressed deep doubt in the nature of the accusations (the 76-yo Mikhailov is well known to have opinions that are totally aligned with the "party line").
Naz's attacks on what they call "liberalism" in general and lately Bread in particular are routinely published by russia-hockey, and elsewhere.
When his media interviews are referred to in some discussion, the amount of hits to the head he took while playing is often brought up (semi-jestfully).
Timchenko in 2015: "Nazarov is a good choice" (Геннадий Тимченко: "Назаров – хороший выбор")
Nazarov in 2017: "I'm the soldier in the KHL while Timchenko and Chernishenko are our generals". (Назаров: считаю себя солдатом КХЛ, а наши генералы — Тимченко и Чернышенко , republished from russia-hockey)
The outlet
Komsomolskaya Pravda (KP) - a Russian political tabloid, dating long back to soviet times.
Has a history of being totally controlled by Putin's "vertical" of power (there aren't many that are at least somewhat independent, but KP is one of those that at the front-line) and publishing political slander against what is perceived unwanted by the said "vertical".
Incidentally, the author under whose name the interview with Nazzi was published is somewhat a mystery - no soc media presence, no nothing. And previously having mostly similar politically-geared articles under his belt...
Bottom line: This merry company have successfully trolled the NHL and hurt their target, simply bc NYR/NHL are so concerned with their positive *iamge*, also known as reputation, so that a *very* suspect accusation like this one sends the org and the NHL into an international upheaval. That was their target and as of yet, they've made it. The most important part here is that *they* aren't concerned with *their* image. The more outrageous it is the better. Bc that what the currency is in a state propaganda game. So they have a free hand to do effectively whatever they want.
As you have no doubt noticed, I've not once mentioned the accusation/incident subject itself - this was intended. Because, how do I know? Or anybody for that matter. But I (and now you) know the above for the facts at least...
Though speaking of the accusation itself, it contains some contradicting facts, already pointed out in the media.
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***DISCLAIMER***
Any politics mentioned in the below post, is only so to explain the shenanigans that (might) be behind the publishing of the accusation. Essentially how the Russian gov propaganda machine works, in a nutshell.
***DISCLAIMER***
Since I was locked out of the thread, I might be late with my input, but thought I'd chime in anyway.
Most here don't know much (if anything) about the people who aired the accusations, who published the interview, and who stand behind all this.
So a quick rundown of the background of the illustrious gentlemen and orgs involved.
Unlike the US (and any adequate system for that matter), the Russian politics/public and private funds landscape is rigidly vertically integrated (sometimes the term "occupied" is bandied about... but I digress). And hockey is not an exception.
Considering the above, what's laid out below shouldn't be too much of a shock.
The Boss
Gennady Timchenko - a Russian "businessman", close associate of Putin.
Nickname "Gangrene" (no kidding). Earned no doubt due to some impeccably scrupulous business practices (or more than just business...)
Known as on of Putin's "right hands" and has some special projects assigned to oversee.
Including the well-known KHL. Basically, he (or I guess rather his people) is in charge of running the thing.
Officially the chair of the board of directors of the KHL (Общая информация о Лиге : Континентальная Хоккейная Лига (КХЛ)).
The capo
Igor Larin - A hockey "journalist" with a very particular reputation.
Once the spokesman of the Russian national hockey team (him having been chosen for the role is indicative enough).
For some years now he's been running a website, russia-hockey.ru. Set up by and funded by Timchenko. Larin basically acknowledged the fact. See eg «В России майданы постоянно вскакивают – как прыщи». Чем живет самый одиозный человек российского хоккея (in Russian).
This little set up is a two-bob mouthpiece of the government figures running Russian hockey as a whole.
In Russia pretty much everything is run by someone having close ties or simply in the gov, bc the power and hence the big money is basically privatised by a certain clique.
One of the sites older articles, literally titled "Timchenko's breakthrough" Прорыв Тимченко | russia-hockey.ru In a sugary soviet-style propaganda narrative, licks Timchenko from head to toe and among other things praises the appointment of one Andrei Nazarov as the head coach of the KHL "premiere" team - SKA St. Petersburg...
Most site's materials are in the same mold.
Admittedly, labeling this character "the capo" is quite a bit generous.
At first glance I thought that was DeBlasio in the first pic giving out the smooch.
The henchman
Andrei Nazarov - a former NHL tough guy, and a former head coach in the KHL.
(here Naz is pictured with a member of another of Putin's closest clans, also deeply vested in Russia's big centralized "project hockey". From Naz's days at SKA St. Petersburg).
Known in the last years by his outrageous (and some would say not unpaid) media appearances and outspoken opinions. Always geared towards a certain political agenda, mostly pseudo-patriotic of the lowest sort, chest-banging in nature.
Often regarded a clown even by the government aligned crowd. Even by some of his fellow "experts" published on russia-hockey. Eg the soviet hockey great Boris Mikhailov expressed deep doubt in the nature of the accusations (the 76-yo Mikhailov is well known to have opinions that are totally aligned with the "party line").
Naz's attacks on what they call "liberalism" in general and lately Bread in particular are routinely published by russia-hockey, and elsewhere.
When his media interviews are referred to in some discussion, the amount of hits to the head he took while playing is often brought up (semi-jestfully).
Timchenko in 2015: "Nazarov is a good choice" (Геннадий Тимченко: "Назаров – хороший выбор")
Nazarov in 2017: "I'm the soldier in the KHL while Timchenko and Chernishenko are our generals". (Назаров: считаю себя солдатом КХЛ, а наши генералы — Тимченко и Чернышенко , republished from russia-hockey)
The outlet
Komsomolskaya Pravda (KP) - a Russian political tabloid, dating long back to soviet times.
Has a history of being totally controlled by Putin's "vertical" of power (there aren't many that are at least somewhat independent, but KP is one of those that at the front-line) and publishing political slander against what is perceived unwanted by the said "vertical".
Incidentally, the author under whose name the interview with Nazzi was published is somewhat a mystery - no soc media presence, no nothing. And previously having mostly similar politically-geared articles under his belt...
Bottom line: This merry company have successfully trolled the NHL and hurt their target, simply bc NYR/NHL are so concerned with their positive *iamge*, also known as reputation, so that a *very* suspect accusation like this one sends the org and the NHL into an international upheaval. That was their target and as of yet, they've made it. The most important part here is that *they* aren't concerned with *their* image. The more outrageous it is the better. Bc that what the currency is in a state propaganda game. So they have a free hand to do effectively whatever they want.
As you have no doubt noticed, I've not once mentioned the accusation/incident subject itself - this was intended. Because, how do I know? Or anybody for that matter. But I (and now you) know the above for the facts at least...
Though speaking of the accusation itself, it contains some contradicting facts, already pointed out in the media.
Seriously, who's running things for the Rangers right now? First they exile DeAngelo because he sent a certain "tweet" supporting a certain well known "person" and now Panarin is sitting because.....ah......why is he sitting again? A blatantly baseless accusation?
The way they've handled team personnel matters this year has been nothing short of a joke. We don't need other teams to "beat" us at this point, because we're doing a great job of beating ourselves. The other NHL teams thank us for saving them some work. The organization is quickly becoming the laughingstock of the entire league. It's embarrassing being a fan of this team right now. We're becoming the Knicks with skates.
Starting to wonder too if Davidson is in over his head. Not impressed thus far at all with the way he's handled things.
The way they've handled team personnel matters this year has been nothing short of a joke. We don't need other teams to "beat" us at this point, because we're doing a great job of beating ourselves. The other NHL teams thank us for saving them some work. The organization is quickly becoming the laughingstock of the entire league. It's embarrassing being a fan of this team right now. We're becoming the Knicks with skates.
Starting to wonder too if Davidson is in over his head. Not impressed thus far at all with the way he's handled things.
tlk
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Think they're already starting to get the gist of things (that they ended up on the receiving end of some shameless political trolling by a bunch which has been paid for the similar services for a long time now, just mostly inside Russia, but this time found some international stage).
Bread should never have been suspended from any games tho, that's 100%
But that's how PR works and they took advantage of that.
PS they've handled eg the car crash issue beatifully IMO, nobody had so much as a whiff until like 20 mins before the JD presser (nobody believed it then either). But with this one they're confronted with something entirely different.
OTOH, the ADA debacle is dreadful IMO. Bring back ADA!!!
Bread should never have been suspended from any games tho, that's 100%
But that's how PR works and they took advantage of that.
PS they've handled eg the car crash issue beatifully IMO, nobody had so much as a whiff until like 20 mins before the JD presser (nobody believed it then either). But with this one they're confronted with something entirely different.
OTOH, the ADA debacle is dreadful IMO. Bring back ADA!!!
That's not why DeAngelo was sent away. It was the culmination of many things, which has been reported by basically everyone. But, run with whatever narrative supports your worldview.
We know that he requested a LOA from the team, based on multiple reports. That's on him, we don't know the exact circumstances of where he's at mentally, and we may never fully know. But, all accounts are that he requested time away, not the team. The team came out with a very strongly-worded statement supporting him.
I don't really like how the Kravtsov thing was handled. Andersson is apparently just a little bitch. The DeAngelo thing, he made his own bed and now has to sleep in it. Panarin? We only know limited details but based on what I've seen, there isn't much else the team could have done or could be doing.
tlk
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Synergy27
F-A-C-G-C-E
I’ll standby and wait for all of the blind supporters to stream in here and claim that this isn’t anyone’s fault. Similar to how Quinn isn’t responsible for consistent slow starts, questionable distribution of ice time, etc.
Way too many circuses surrounding this team recently. I love JD but this really looks like a ship with no rudder.
I will tell you this isn't anyone in the organization's fault. How do you fully protect against something like this?
I don't know what my opinion on this has to do with Quinn and the job he's doing, or Gorton and the job he's doing, or JD in general. I have reservations about those guys, for sure. Not here, though.
Synergy27
F-A-C-G-C-E
The fact that this happened isn’t anyone’s fault, but the response doesn’t make sense. To me, the overall response, and the fact that Artemi is on a leave of absence while it is becoming more and more clear that the underlying trigger for everything is complete bullshit, is indicative of something else going on.
What's been reported is that Artemi asked for 2 weeks. The team granted the request while simultaneously releasing a strong statement in support of their player. I don't know what else could be done.
Why did he request the LOA? I don't know, I'm not him, I don't know the full details of this. Is there something more going on here that makes him feel like he needs to be away? Again, it's totally possible, there could be a lot more going on that we're not privy to and may never be.
The fact that the accusation seems likely to be fabricated doesn't mean it isn't damaging to the player, both in terms of his reputation and possibly his emotional state. False accusations can leave a lasting mark and really take a toll on the accused. And again--there may be more to it than we know, as you seem to imply. But, based only on what we know, I'm not sure what else we'd expect the team to do in this circumstance.
romba
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I think he meant regarding Panarin requesting and being given 2 weeks for baseless accusations.
Once things cool off for a day or two Panarin will likely reassess where he is mentally and might not need the full 2 weeks.
tlk
hARry kane comeS homE
That's where my doubt is. I'm not so sure it's Bread's idea to "take some time off". He already referred in at least one of hist insta (or some other soc media) videos to some "bastards" back home which are slandering him. Pretty sure it was either Larin or some of his "pool".
So why Bread would be so "shaken" by this to request a LOA I've no idea. Unless it's not *his* request.
HFBS
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I don't love JD. I think he's a blowhard. I don't love Quinn, but I don't hate him either. I'm not there. I don't know much of what the players think of him.
But how you make some Rooskie hit man the Rangers' fault is beyond me.
Exactly this. His family could be fearing for their lives right now. And some of you are on here b****** about how "i DoNt UnDeRsTaNd WhY hE nEeDs To TaKe A lEaVe Of AbSeNcE". Artemi is clearly shaken up about something, whether it was a threat he or his family receieved, who knows. Not sure why everyone is getting worked up about missing 2 weeks in a season where we are going to get a top 10 pick anyways.
HatTrick Swayze
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Was going to post a long response, but you pretty much nailed it. At the end of the day AP requested an LOA and the team honored his request. Seems pretty reasonable to me. We (emphasis on we) don't know why he made the request, but there are a lot of plausible reasons...legal, reputational/image, mental and/or physical health...before you get to anything more nefarious.
I get it. I think there may be more to this, something else directly or tangentially related to this that's upsetting Panarin. Regardless, if he asks for two weeks, I think as an organization the right thing to do is give him two weeks. I mean even this part we don't really know about--maybe he asked for a month and the Rangers said, let's start with two weeks? Maybe he asked for a couple days and the Rangers suggested two weeks? Who knows.
Cmox
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On the other hand maybe he did request it based on other things and on top of false puck stealing incident and wanted not deal with the same reaction? Obviously we can’t get into reading minds psychology now or we’d go nuts. Like others have said only he knows. SM/ articles are certainly driving the whole freaking team insane, probably the NHL too.
Yeah, as I mentioned in a previous post, it's certainly possible it wasn't totally his idea, or his idea at all.
I work in HR, many times when we're alerted to a situation with an employee--a mental health issue, a health matter in the employee's family, a legal issue not related to work, etc.--we will suggest to the employee proactively that they take some time off to get right and focus on whatever it is they need to be focusing on. People are better employees when they're "fully" focused on their work (I use quotes because no one is ever fully focused on work, LOL) and when they feel their employer is supportive of their wellbeing. That may have happened here. Plenty of things may have happened here, but I will only react based on what has been reported--which is that he requested and was granted two weeks. I don't want to speculate as to why he wants two weeks, because I honestly don't know.
tlk
hARry kane comeS homE
I'm pretty sure the "false puck stealing incident" hasn't come into *his* consideration, not in a million years.
My point is, there's nothing in this accusation to even react to, and Bread of all people knows this the best.
Yet we won't see him vs the Flyers...
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