Confirmed with Link: Panarin taking leave of absence from NYR (Warning in First Post)

[LOFIN]

this story is bogus but it has clearly shaken panarin. it doesn't seem like anyone is taking it very seriously. Is the NHL even investigating? Any official word from them? More than anything, panarin now knows he's not untouchable because he's a star hockey player.

 

[chosen]

I actually agree with him. I put a lot of blame on journalism for reporting things to advance their own careers not caring that they are putting out articles that will cause a lot of damage and division in society.

I think that's utter nonsense.

There are people who do what you say, but they aren't journalists. They write in places like Facebook and blogs and some people believe those things even if it is probably bullshit.

A real journalist can have a bias, but they will not make up stuff.

 

[kovazub94]

I'm no Putin supporter, but calling him a dictator is a bit much. We're not North Korea for heaven's sake.

People criticize Putin all the time. Big freakin deal. I mean Zadorov has said stuff in the past an nobody cares. Putin isn't the totalitarian comic book character he's portrayed as in America.

Sure the political landscape is Russia is messed-up. But things aren't on a dictator/democracy or all/nothing scale.

Maybe you’re too close to see the forest behind the trees here.

No democratic leader AFTER 20 (!!!) years in power would need a public referendum to change constitution to extend his stay in power.

He made himself and his inner circle multi-billionaires while most of the country population is below poverty line or just about.

He eliminates his political opposition and critics using any means including poisoning and murder.

He openly supports his marionette in Lukashenka who prosecuted unarmed peaceful protesters by the thousands.

It doesn’t need to be North Korea to be a dictatorship.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

As we know multibillion dollar organizations stick their necks out for alleged woman beaters all of the time if there's credibility to the story.

 

[LOFIN]

I think that's utter nonsense.

There are people who do what you say, but they aren't journalists. They write in places like Facebook and blogs and some people believe those things even if it is probably bullshit.

A real journalist can have a bias, but they will not make up stuff.

There's plenty of people who call themselves journalists, and work as journalists, yet don't adhere to these rules. In every country.

 

[Crease]

Apparently, they are ~30 witness and eyewitness guys from that team and staff including some Canadians who are in Canada now, and no one yet to say publicaly that Nazarov is lying? How is it possible?

Who did you hang out with on December 11, 2011. And were those people with you the entire night?

I suspect that most of his KHL teammates and staff do not have any working memory of that evening, assuming it was uneventful. In any event, four of his teammates and the hotel that manages the bar have publicly refuted Nazarov’s allegations.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Pretty unprecedented that the NHL would stick their neck out for a player in that latest comment.

“Completely supportive” of a player means there is no doubt of innocence.

The Rangers did their digging and know this is a slam dunk and have conveyed that to the NHL.

Otherwise there wouldn’t be any reason for the NHL to protect him or say anything specific in regards to Panarin.

They have a lot to lose publicly if there is any truth to the accusations - and you would have to think that is doubly true considering how much of a hit they’ve already taken financially due to the pandemic.

I’m actually shocked the NHL would take any stance at all regarding any specific player for anything libelous or criminal.

 

[RangerBlues]

karma
Yup
what goes around
comes around
sometimes in strange ways

 

[LOFIN]

As we know multibillion dollar organizations stick their necks out for alleged woman beaters all of the time if there's credibility to the story.

It's a different scenario here though. Domestic violence is serious and has been taken very seriously by pretty much evey major league in NA (or so I think?). We are dealing with a claim for an assault here. It shouldn't matter if the victim was an 18 year old girl or an 18 year old boy, assault is an assault.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

It's a different scenario here though. Domestic violence is serious and has been taken very seriously by pretty much evey major league in NA (or so I think?). We are dealing with a claim for an assault here. It shouldn't matter if the victim was an 18 year old girl or an 18 year old boy, assault is an assault.

I'm not sure that's true and 18 year old boy likely has more physical strength and can defend himself better.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I'm not sure that's true and 18 year old boy likely has more physical strength and can defend himself better.

yeah but have you seen what panarin looked like back then?

 

[DialUp]

Pretty unprecedented that the NHL would stick their neck out for a player in that latest comment.

“Completely supportive” of a player means there is no doubt of innocence.

The Rangers did their digging and know this is a slam dunk and have conveyed that to the NHL.

Otherwise there wouldn’t be any reason for the NHL to protect him or say anything specific in regards to Panarin.

They have a lot to lose publicly if there is any truth to the accusations - and you would have to think that is doubly true considering how much of a hit they’ve already taken financially due to the pandemic.

I’m actually shocked the NHL would take any stance at all regarding any specific player for anything libelous or criminal.

They are not fcking around here. And if you re-read Brooks original tweet, "hit job" was used. That wasn't coming from Brooks. That was the Rangers telling him what it was before they released their statement. Absolute no doubter, in their mind.

FWIW, I was nervous it had legs, and it could very well still do, but there is something about this one that leads me to lean on the side of the Rangers full bore.

 

[Off Sides]

I've read some bad threads before, but wow this one. Good job, Not only should this one be closed, it should be closed, set on fire and have it's ashes spread across three different oceans.

 

[francaisvolantsparis]

Who did you hang out with on December 11, 2011. And were those people with you the entire night?

I suspect that most of his KHL teammates and staff do not have any working memory of that evening, assuming it was uneventful. In any event, four of his teammates have spoken out against the allegations to the NY Post.

What do you mean by uneventful? How can someone KO a girl and call in uneventful? We know all the names. Why no one defend Panarin publicly? If in NY Post you have the names of players and their interviews, just give a link and it will be the end of the story.

 

[aufheben]

What do you mean by uneventful? How can someone KO a girl and call in uneventful? We know all the names. Why no one defend Panarin publicly? If in NY Post you have the names of players and their interviews, just give a link and it will be the end of the story.

His teammates who were there said it’s bullshit what more do you want man, lol

 

[Crease]

What do you mean by uneventful? How can someone KO a girl and call in uneventful? We know all the names. Why no one defend Panarin publicly? If in NY Post you have the names of players and their interviews, just give a link and it will be the end of the story.

You said you were genuinely curious why—if in fact nothing happened—aren’t people refuting the allegations. I offered you one possible explanation—that folks who were with Panarin that night 10 years ago and are in a position to speak up on his behalf have no working memory of that evening. Because it was an uneventful night 10 years ago. Why are you arguing with me?

Here is the article from the Post today:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...ult-allegations-dont-add-up-ex-teammates/amp/

Jon Mirasty, Kip Brennan, and two players who asked to remain anonymous.

 

[LOFIN]

I'm not sure that's true and 18 year old boy likely has more physical strength and can defend himself better.

True, but I doubt it's true under your jurisdiction. Nor should it be. An assault is an assault, no matter who is the victim or the actor. Then you can start to pile on stuff to aggregate, if needed. If a girl hits you, it should be treated the same as if you were to hit the girl. Assault is assault, then you look at the factors surrounding the fact.

We don't know the scenario, so it's probably best to end the speculation here. Especially since it's most likely therte isn't a scenario, but this is all made up.

 

[DialUp]

His teammates who were there said it’s bullshit what more do you want man, lol

Sworn affadavits! Lie detector tests! Press conferences at the Grand Kempinksi Riga Landscaping parking lot!

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

The NHL marketing and public relations team would certainly have something to do with the statement they released, however succinct it is.

After a quick search the Vice President of Public Affairs for the NHL is a woman and I’m sure there are many many others in the department at various levels.

Obviously.

It’s not like there is an entire board of antiquated chauvinistic men willing to protect their star players at the drop of a hat.

So if there is ANY shred of doubt about the allegations we wouldn’t have that statement unless the NHL completely dropped the ball (the way this season has gone though... LOL)

 

[chosen]

lol - finding objective journalism is more challenging than finding that needle in a haystack

Very little is 100% objective, but some current things are 100% false.

 

[nyr2k2]

What do you mean by uneventful? How can someone KO a girl and call in uneventful? We know all the names. Why no one defend Panarin publicly? If in NY Post you have the names of players and their interviews, just give a link and it will be the end of the story.

https://nypost.com/2021/02/23/artemi-panarin-assault-allegations-dont-add-up-ex-teammates/

Two teammates on the record and two who asked for anonymity likely because they don't want to be directly involved in this nonsense.

 

[Overcast]

What do you mean by uneventful? How can someone KO a girl and call in uneventful? We know all the names. Why no one defend Panarin publicly? If in NY Post you have the names of players and their interviews, just give a link and it will be the end of the story.

https://nypost.com/2021/02/23/artemi-panarin-assault-allegations-dont-add-up-ex-teammates/

Multiple former teammates saying the story doesn't add up and that it's fishy. Publicly.

Tack on the NY Rangers organization's statement supporting Panarin and denying the allegations. Plus the NHL releasing a statement supporting Panarin. All publicly.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

They are not fcking around here. And if you re-read Brooks original tweet, "hit job" was used. That wasn't coming from Brooks. That was the Rangers telling him what it was before they released their statement. Absolute no doubter, in their mind.

FWIW, I was nervous it had legs, and it could very well still do, but there is something about this one that leads me to lean on the side of the Rangers full bore.

and now with the NHL backing Panarin and the Rangers on this I don’t think there is any doubt

 

[chosen]

I disagree with this.

Pick any mainstream source. For one, there are limited sources noted or at best an opinion piece veiled as news. For another, the grammar ranges from meh to atrocious.

And God Forbid if they actually even partially use the inverted pyramid principle of writing a -news- article.

Journalism is under control of private interests written by forum posters who know nothing or so -called experts with an agenda. Articles are written like they’re part of a soap opera storyline.

REAL Journalism still exists but it’s a fringe thing bordering a cottage industry. You’ve always had to hunt for facts but now if you want unbiased journalism you have to hunt like Indiana Jones going through relics and tombs. You spend more time hunting than finding. It’s gotten that bad.

Real journalism is shrinking because of the Internet.

The New York Times with their left bias is still real journalism. Same for the Wall Street Journal, on the right.

The problem is that most people get their "news" from other places and there is no bigger problem facing the world than phony news, because some idiots will believe anything.

 

[nyr2k2]

Since he was quoted in the story--anyone remember Nasty Mirasty? He really lived up to his nickname. A little dude but he was built like a Mack truck and would throw down with literally anyone.