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SML2 said:
I kind of assumed he didn't have alot of family left in Russia. Wasn't he raised by his grandparents? This is one of the things people take for granted on this country. Think about all the things people say about political figures here. Now imagine if all of the sudden they placed your parents under arrest because of a tweet you sent. We have alot of work to do here but we are farther along than most.
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Good heavens.:eyeroll:

Panarin was just in Korkino not long ago. He and his family are in no danger whatsoever. Unless you're a direct threat to the establisment, or exposing the inner workings of something, you're fine in Russia. The government doesn't give a crap about Panarin.
Putin is popular , but if you go to any bar you'll hear people ****ing on Putin all the time. It's no big deal.
The only possible retribution is from rabid Putin supporters (in this case Nazarov). But you'll also get that same nonsense in the current American political climate too.

Btw, Panarin's ex-teammates from Vityaz just came to his defense.

The sensationalism here is getting ridiculous.
 
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Zine said:
Good heavens.:eyeroll:

Panarin was just in Korkino not long ago. He and his family are in no danger whatsoever. Unless you're a direct threat to the establisment, or exposing the inner workings of something, you're fine in Russia. The government doesn't give a crap about Panarin.
Putin is popular , but if you go to any bar you'll hear people ****ing on Putin all the time. It's no big deal.
The only possible retribution is from rabid Putin supporters (in this case Nazarov). But you'll also get that same nonsense in the current American political climate too.

Btw, Panarin's ex-teammates from Vityaz just came to his defense.

The sensationalism here is getting ridiculous.
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It may 100% be true that Americans are blowing shit out of proportion but it really seems that every Russian here has this nationalistic streak and gets really upset when someone says anything negative about the country.
 
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SnowblindNYR said:
It may 100% be true that Americans are blowing shit out of proportion but it really seems that every Russian here has this nationalistic streak and gets really upset when someone says anything negative about the country.
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Welcome to Russian mentality. We'll complain about everything, but when foreigners say something negative you can expect some serious push-back:laugh:

That said, it is a self-perpetuating cycle when the vast majoirty of what Western media reports is based on stereotypes and sensationalism.
I think the American people still love Russia as the 'bad guys'. This mentality is still prevalent in movies to this day.
 
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Zine said:
Welcome to Russian mentality. We'll complain about everything, but when foreigners say something negative you can expect some serious push-back:laugh:

That said, it is a self-perpetuating cycle when the vast majoirty of what Western media reports is based on steretypes and sensationsim.
I think the American people still love Russian as the 'bad guys'. That stuff is still prevalent in movies to this day.
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I mean, I'm Ukrainian Jewish but moved to the US when I was 3. Russia has always been ultra-patriotic. The country voted Stalin as the greatest historic figure most likely because mother Russia was a strong country at the time.
 
SnowblindNYR said:
It may 100% be true that Americans are blowing shit out of proportion but it really seems that every Russian here has this nationalistic streak and gets really upset when someone says anything negative about the country.
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I'm as far from your pickup-driving, flag-waving, "American Patriot"-type person as you'll get, but I still get defensive when a group of non-Americans start trashing our country (even during periods when our country deserved to be trashed). I think that's a pretty normal, or maybe I should say pretty common, stance for people of all nationalities. We can recognize that our own countries are a mess without needing to hear it from others. It's like if you have a lot of problems in your family--you know it, and want to resolve it as a family, but don't want to hear the neighbors talking about it.

FWIW I think we have many Russian nationals or people of Russian origin who post here that are quite reasonable and realistic about the issues facing their country.

I also think that while a nationalistic attitude may be common in Russian society, Americans suffer from the same affliction, and may actually be worse.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
I'm as far from your pickup-driving, flag-waving, "American Patriot"-type person as you'll get, but I still get defensive when a group of non-Americans start trashing our country (even during periods when our country deserved to be trashed). I think that's a pretty normal, or maybe I should say pretty common, stance for people of all nationalities. We can recognize that our own countries are a mess without needing to hear it from others. It's like if you have a lot of problems in your family--you know it, and want to resolve it as a family, but don't want to hear the neighbors talking about it.

FWIW I think we have many Russian nationals or people of Russian origin who post here that are quite reasonable and realistic about the issues facing their country.

I also think that while a nationalistic attitude may be common in Russian society, Americans suffer from the same affliction, and may actually be worse.
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Americans do suffer from that but it's not worse from my experience. That said look at this thread, the criticism of Russia is not unwarranted in this thread, it's topical, yet you see people that aren't even Rangers fans being the only ones with opinions of how everything is overblown. Some of it IS probably overblown, but you can see a trend.
 
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SnowblindNYR said:
I mean, I'm Ukrainian Jewish but moved to the US when I was 3. Russia has always been ultra-patriotic. The country voted Stalin as the greatest historic figure most likely because mother Russia was a strong country at the time.
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Well strength and security trump everything. Especially considering Russia's history of being invaded culminating in millions and millions of casualties. A history of vulnerability and how that plays into the psyche of a country is something many Americans and Canadians can't comprehend.

But it's not always like that. Patriotism didn't exist in the 1990s. It was actually 'unfashionable' for athletes to play for the national team back then.
 
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Zine said:
Welcome to Russian mentality. We'll complain about everything, but when foreigners say something negative you can expect some serious push-back:laugh:

That said, it is a self-perpetuating cycle when the vast majoirty of what Western media reports is based on stereotypes and sensationalism.
I think the American people still love Russia as the 'bad guys'. This mentality is still prevalent in movies to this day.
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Yeah, I agree with you that a lot of people here (North Americans) are overstating Panarin and his danger. His life or his family's shouldn't be in any danger for saying he doesn't agree with Putin's politics. At most I imagine they might be harrassed or given a hard time by Putin-supporters, but that might be it. I might have even though Panarin could be detained and given the run around by law enforcement if he entered Russia but even that seems like a stretch. He did visit there a few months ago.

But I've found a lot of Russian posters here are in denial/or misleading about Russia and the things they do to people who pose a legitimate threat to Putin (like opposition leaders, double agents, journalists digging up dirt, powerfull businessmen who aren't loyal, etc.). They will call you crazy and laugh for suggesting Putin is a dictator and murderer and what not.

To get back to the first sentence, I really don't know how much of it is denial and actual disbelief (Russia does spew a lot of misinformation) or if they know what their country/leader is but refuse to call a spade a spade.
 
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SnowblindNYR said:
Americans do suffer from that but it's not worse from my experience. That said look at this thread, the criticism of Russia is not unwarranted in this thread, it's topical, yet you see people that aren't even Rangers fans being the only ones with opinions of how everything is overblown. Some of it IS probably overblown, but you can see a trend.
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My only counter to the "it's not worse" argument would be that Hockey's Future isn't representative of mainstream American society. Without getting into politics, I think this board captures a bit of a skewed segment of society and the segment not captured would tend to be the more nationalistic among us. Of course there are all sorts of people here, but I'm talking in general.

If you're talking about your experience with American society in general, I certainly won't try to argue with your reality, and only have mine to serve as a counterpoint. But that gets us nowhere. ;)
 
I couldn't care less if people bash our country.

We live on Earth first. The country comes second.

The world would be a better place if we stopped caring if we are better than other countries.

People love to refer to America as the greatest country on earth. Maybe true, maybe not.. but more importantly, who gives a f***? I was born here. I consider myself lucky to live here, but nothing beyond that. I did nothing to be 'proud' to be an American.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
My only counter to the "it's not worse" argument would be that Hockey's Future isn't representative of mainstream American society. Without getting into politics, I think this board captures a bit of a skewed segment of society and the segment not captured would tend to be the more nationalistic among us. Of course there are all sorts of people here, but I'm talking in general.

If you're talking about your experience with American society in general, I certainly won't try to argue with your reality, and only have mine to serve as a counterpoint. But that gets us nowhere. ;)
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Rural Oklahoma is also not representative of the US as a whole.
 
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When you’ve killed tens of millions of your own people and your country is run by a former KGB agent, what do you expect from “westerners”? Russia will always be viewed negatively as long as that gangster runs the country.
 
Zine said:
Good heavens.:eyeroll:

Panarin was just in Korkino not long ago. He and his family are in no danger whatsoever. Unless you're a direct threat to the establisment, or exposing the inner workings of something, you're fine in Russia. The government doesn't give a crap about Panarin.
Putin is popular , but if you go to any bar you'll hear people ****ing on Putin all the time. It's no big deal.
The only possible retribution is from rabid Putin supporters (in this case Nazarov). But you'll also get that same nonsense in the current American political climate too.
Btw, Panarin's ex-teammates from Vityaz just came to his defense.
The sensationalism here is getting ridiculous.
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They give a crap, Panarin is pretty unique here among popular athletes in his critique of Putin's regime and his support of Navalny. It's in their interests to nip this trend in the bud. I have no doubt that Nazarov slandered Panarin not on his own accord.
 
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kp61c said:
They give a crap, Panarin is pretty unique here among popular athletes in his critique of Putin's regime and his support of Navalny. It's in their interests to nip this trend in the bud. I have no doubt that Nazarov slandered Panarin not on his own accord.
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Sorry to get off topic but what is that profile picture bruv, it gives me the jeepers every time I see it
 
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