MauDevils
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Not like there's going to be much else to remember him by.
His return on Coleman is the highlight of his tenure so far.
Confirmed with Link: Palms and Zajac traded to Isles for 2021 1st, AJ Greer, Mason Jobst, 2022 conditional 4th
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Not like there's going to be much else to remember him by.
His return on Coleman is the highlight of his tenure so far.
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Wait you aren’t going flip out and throw a fit online to show how you didn’t like his random one comment? Dude, don’t you even know how to be a Sports Fan?
If they talked hockey on WFAN I’m sure many sensible types could vent their rational opinions about how two sentences containing nineteen words from the GM brutalized their feelings.
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Everyone hated how tight lipped Lamoriello was and complains about coachspeak and empty words. Then you get someone at GM who is willing to speak openly and conversationally, and all of a sudden you get people complaining that he's not a smooth speaker and "not PR savvy." Fitz is great. It's a breath of fresh air that he's a regular guy and doesn't act like he's running a covert governmental operation.
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Because he said he hopes for the two of them to win the cup this year.
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Except he still kinda runs one vis a vis injury updates where we have to find out about Nico through Swiss media and rando Twitter feeds. It’s not like everything’s suddenly transparent.
MauDevils
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Like Fitzgerald, I too am excited to see a rival win the cup while we continue to occupy the basement.
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Yeah, I personally don't care about transparency when it comes to active injury situations. I'm fine with a general timeline and the player comes back when he's ready to come back. I'm more interested in transparency when it comes to personnel decisions and organizational philosophy.
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Let the Islanders have fun with their 4% chance to win the cup while their roster is loaded with guys over 30 and rapidly approaching 30. Seems like a real solid strategy to long term contender status. Go follow that organization and enjoy winning a playoff series or two, just don't come back in a couple years.
Maybe he really wants the conditional 3rd badly
On a more serious note I personally took that tweet to mean Fitzgerald hopes to resign one if not both of them and was done for the sake of goodwill.
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MauDevils
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Whatever helps you sleep at night. They'll be watching playoff hockey and we'll be crossing our fingers for ping pong balls.
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Yeah, the two defensemen he picked up really didn’t work out for us. And we know how 2020 draft class turns out. Jesus, he’s been GM for a year and two months (and that’s including the interim GM part).
I’m not even a Fitz super fan, I wouldn’t have been against poaching the Assistant GM from Carolina over him or something like that, though I’d take him over the nightmarish rumors involving Chayka.
There’s no defending this dumb hissyfit people are having about Fitz wishing two great long time Devils players well. Another team will win the Stanley Cup. We aren’t in the playoffs. His words do not effect reality.
Trade seems like pretty much exactly the expected value. I'm not doing cartwheels over the return, but don't see how you can knock Fitzgerald for getting a 1st, even a late one, back in this market.
Zajac going is a bummer, though. Going to be weird watching him play for another team. I hope they can get him back on the one year evergreen contracts so he can retire a Devil. He may not be as impactful these days but you still need some veteran leadership with all of these young guys around.
Zajac going is a bummer, though. Going to be weird watching him play for another team. I hope they can get him back on the one year evergreen contracts so he can retire a Devil. He may not be as impactful these days but you still need some veteran leadership with all of these young guys around.
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One guy blows his income on an expensive dinner and clothes, the other guy puts his money into an investment account and waits for it to compound. The one who looks more successful and is enjoying his life in the moment is not the one who is going to set himself up for real long term sustainable success.
If this was Colorado or Tampa or Toronto or Boston or Vegas, I would be envious and say it makes sense. The Islanders are making an all out push for the cup and burning assets and cap space without a real cup contending team. Could they do it? Sure. Is it likely and/or sustainable long term? Absolutely not.
Whaddagoal
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Grabner/Maroon were never intended to be integrated pieces for NJ. They were purely playoff push rentals, hoping for an improved run and we were buyers then, not sellers.
That's not what I meant last night when I was talking talking about getting NHL core pieces (long haul) in a trade deal.
Of that list, PK Subban, Marcus, and Palms are the core pieces I was referring to. PK is only core guy left and he just got here relatively speaking. Gusev was an attempt to find a gem who didn't need too much seasoning -- it looked good until whatever happened this season. Marcus at the time "worked" somewhat, but became a pumpkin with injuries. So we have PK and Sevs as vets, and our forward core consists of our youth core, that is it.
My biggest issue that I was trying to express yesterday was that we're bleeding these core players year after year after year, some of them that this franchise should have tried to keep over long haul. We lost some very good NHLers (Coleman, Hall, Palms, and now Zajac) in last 15 months. Our special teams is trash (particularly PK was bad earlier, and now PP is bad now). The kill is probably a direct correlation to losing Coleman (someone we should have kept, or tried very hard to resign).
With regards to Coleman, Palms, and to a degree Hall, maybe these guys weren't willing to resign here (or take a good team numbers contract) with us because we have been practically sellers in rebuild mode which is what we're continuing to do.. minus the year we pulled in for the 1st round exit run..
Look, I really like a lot of our youth and core pieces we are betting on (Nico, Bratt, Zacha, Smith, etc.) , biggest supporters to keep that going, but I don't know if they can sustain this without keeping some vets and adding in vets who know how to succeed. Just feels like loser mentality overall. The "vet" guys leaving here are so excited to get out obviously because its been such barrel scraping the last bunch of years, minus that one run to the 1st round exit. Soon PK and Sevs will start thinking the same....... just a matter of time which we don't seem to have anymore. I didn't find a single quote from Palms or Travis from yesterday, except they were excited to join Isles finally a winning team. Nothing about this org (at least not yet)... maybe those articles will come...
Richer's Ghost
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agree, sending them to the rangers, boston or toronto would have been much worse...... pure shit actually
We're talking about a guy that played over 1,000 games with this franchise and been nothing but class through some brutal years, as well as a local player in Palmieri that gave us 5+ great seasons at a really good value compared to what we gave up to get him and paid him on his contract. Both left on great terms. This isn't Hall or Parise we're talking about. The Islanders also have Greene, who played over 900 games for this franchise and served as captain.
JFC the overreaction to this quote is insane. "Loser's mentality?!?!?" GTFO with that.
I'll be happy for these players if they win the Cup. Hopefully our scouting staff makes a great pick regardless of where it winds up. Having the higher pick guarantees absolutely nothing.
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When I first saw it I instantly thought of that first picture of Pandolfo as a Isle for some reason
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The bolded part is key. I loved Palms and Travis as much as anyone, but let's take a step back and be honest. We had a core that consisted of all of Zajac, Palmieri, Greene, Schneider, and even Hall in their primes. We were atrocious with them as our main components. Obviously it wasn't entirely their fault, but it's not like these guys are some shining beacon of success like Chara, Bergeron, Toews, etc. that can pass on some legacy of success to the next generation.
They're players that we're attached to due to their tenure. They've never lifted a cup to carry that message. And at the end of the day talent wins. Period. I don't care how old you are or how many times you played in a playoff game. If the guys across from you are more talented, odds are they're going to win.
They are hardly burning assets and cap space. Assets: They gave up a 1st (which we hope is the worst possible pick, right?), a 4th (we also hope this is the worst possible), and 2 complete scrubs. Cap Space: They are only paying 50% and the 2 contracts expire end of the season.
They are hardly going "All in".... they did not give up much at all.
Better Call Sal
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They didn't have a 1st round pick last year either and they traded this year's 2nd round pick to us. They had 2 1sts in 2018 but in the last two drafts they only made 10 selections and they only have 6 picks in this year's draft.
It's the right move for them, but they are not in a great place, franchise-wise.
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I don't disagree with that point, its true, they didn't get the job done (which they played a relatively key part in)... but now we have no vets minus PK and Sevs. I don't know if that really helps us anyway.
Likewise, nothing sends a message to our youth core better than showing them that vets they saw don't seem to want to commit to this organization year over year (minus Zajac). And even those who do (Zajac) get dealt (or want) out.
What incentivizes Sevs or these other younger guys in the next generation pool to want to even commit to playing at NJD longer term?. Whatever semblance of our winning history of past / identity doesn't make a difference now. We're a perennial bottom team in that quest for the rebuild.
The only scenario that gets us out of here seems to be now ensuring this youth core succeeds and STAYS.
