Rumor: Pagnotta: "Rasmus Andersson is open to a trade, he would welcome it" It would cost 3 assets...1st rnd pick, prospect, +

[Shlep]

Better as in team or as in location.
I never understood players having a location issue with WPG.
During the season, they play so often they’re not doing much but playing, practicing, and working out.
During the offseason, they’ve been paid enough that they should be able to go anywhere they want without it being an issue.

They have families that also have to stay here.

 

[Boyon90]

...winning a Cup tends to ease the "hate"...put him with Nurse and Edm finally has a really nice Top 4 D ready for the playoffs...

What kind of person would want someone that doesnt want to play for your franchise? sure go ahead bring someone that hates you, your players and your franchsie and see what happens

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

What kind of person would want someone that doesnt want to play for your franchise? sure go ahead bring someone that hates you, your players and your franchsie and see what happens

...he "hates" the rivalry cuz he has to...betcha if he does go to EDM he'll end up "hating" the Flames the same way...

 

[Bond]

There’s nothing in Edmonton’s system that would make the Flames want to trade Andersson there

 

[Bounces R Way]

1+ are rentals

UFAs to be in summer can discuss contract before trade. They csnt now.

That doesn't make any sense.

 

[Bond]

1+ are rentals

UFAs to be in summer can discuss contract before trade. They csnt now.

A team acquiring him could talk extension with him but they just couldn’t sign it until the summer. Can’t tamper with your own players

That doesn't make any sense.

I think they just thought Andersson was an UFA this year and are doubling down

 

[madmike77]

He is in rental price range now. That’s…

Playoff team 1st ( expected 20-33 top 10 protected) + a not top 5 prospect ( likely a 2nd round pick)+ current contract to balance out some salary
If the team player is better then the 1st becomes a condition 2nd and the prospect is lower.

lol no. Calgary would just keep him until next trade deadline.

 

[Volica]

Are we going to lie to ourselves now and claim Kevin Bahl was "quality over quantity"?

Are we also going to claim that about Miromanov in regards to the Hanifin trade?

Nope, but Bahl is someone they targeted and has been exceptional in Calgary.

The trades they did last year in season are irrelevant. As I mentioned. That’s what’s given Calgary 6 picks in the first round over three years and hence us not needing more 20some overalls and a bunch of nobody prospects. Sorry big dog.

 

[dgibb10]

Nope, but Bahl is someone they targeted and has been exceptional in Calgary.

The trades they did last year in season are irrelevant. As I mentioned. That’s what’s given Calgary 6 picks in the first round over three years and hence us not needing more 20some overalls and a bunch of nobody prospects. Sorry big dog.

Unfortunately, again, sellers simply don't have the leverage to demand top level assets from buyers.

You may not need 1sts and lower tier prospects, but that is the currency that teams actually use.

Unless the top prospects/RFA controlled kids request trades or refuse to sign, they don't get moved.

Every time a big name player is floated as being available/wanting out, the same thing happens where the fanbase says "we won't move him for a collection of smaller pieces" right up until they do. And then they go back and pretend that wasn't the case.

Even right now, as it is being point blank reported that calgary is asking for the standard 1st+prospect+extra whatever, you are STILL convinced that it won't happen.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Would Calgary be interested in Power for Andersson?

Absolutely

 

[dgibb10]

Hanifin put Conroy in a tough spot and essentially picked his destination due to his NTC and control over contract negotiations with all interested teams as a pending UFA.

Andersson only has a 6 team NTC and another full year remaining.

Much different situation.

Hanifin only had a 8 team NTC why are we pretending like a 6 team NTC and an 8 team NTC are meaningfully different

 

[Jarvi]

There’s nothing in Edmonton’s system that would make the Flames want to trade Andersson there

You don't think a 1st the season after we could potentially lose Mcdavid is enticing? If I'm a GM staring down a rebuild, that pick is more valuable than any other contending teams 1st. Yeah it could be just a late 1st in a couple years, it also has potential to be top 3 if we lose Davo and the team can't adjust to losing the greatest player of this generation.

Matt Savoie has shown as well or better than some of the other names in his draft class, that you yourself said you would want.

Akey is a good prospect, though I think you guys have RHD prospects so maybe not the best fit. O'Reilly has shown very well though.

That's just the top end. It's not like a 1st before 27 is any less valuable than Winnipegs. We don't have a deep prospect pool, but we definitely have the pieces for 1 homerun type of move.

 

[Bond]

You don't think a 1st the season after we could potentially lose Mcdavid is enticing? If I'm a GM staring down a rebuild, that pick is more valuable than any other contending teams 1st. Yeah it could be just a late 1st in a couple years, it also has potential to be top 3 if we lose Davo and the team can't adjust to losing the greatest player of this generation.

Matt Savoie has shown as well or better than some of the other names in his draft class, that you yourself said you would want.

Akey is a good prospect, though I think you guys have RHD prospects so maybe not the best fit. O'Reilly has shown very well though.

That's just the top end. It's not like a 1st before 27 is any less valuable than Winnipegs. We don't have a deep prospect pool, but we definitely have the pieces for 1 homerun type of move.

Nope. Andersson is exactly what Edmonton needs and I doubt the Flames would gamble that the pick being high because McDavid leaves.
Savoie isn’t that enticing and the Flames don’t need another D prospect.

Hanifin only had a 8 team NTC why are we pretending like a 6 team NTC and an 8 team NTC are meaningfully different

More teams will be in on Andersson given his term. Hanifin had two teams would sign with.

 

[dgibb10]

Nope. Andersson is exactly what Edmonton needs and I doubt the Flames would gamble that the pick being high because McDavid leaves.
Savoie isn’t that enticing and the Flames don’t need another D prospect.


More teams will be in on Andersson given his term. Hanifin had two teams would sign with.

Stop trying to price "with extension" into pending UFAs like they meaningfully increase values and you won't have this problem.

 

[Jarvi]

Nope. Andersson is exactly what Edmonton needs and I doubt the Flames would gamble that the pick being high because McDavid leaves.
Savoie isn’t that enticing and the Flames don’t need another D prospect.

You can't just say someone isn't enticing without any reasoning. You said Lambert was, and he was drafted later and shown worse than Savoie thus far. How is Savoie a worse prospect than Lambert or Lekkerimaki? A couple inches in height? Because when it comes to stats he is above both in the AHL this year.

I think a gm would rather a pick that has a shot at being a lottery one, rather than something like Winnipegs 1st which is pretty much guaranteed to be a late 1st.

You want the flames to be worse off just to spite edmonton. Peak little brother energy lmao

 

[Bond]

Stop trying to price "with extension" into pending UFAs like they meaningfully increase values and you won't have this problem.

I’m not. There is a material difference between having a player for one and a half years versus one playoff run. More teams will be interested. Learn what a pending UFA is if you want to be snarky.

 

[Bond]

You can't just say someone isn't enticing without any reasoning. You said Lambert was, and he was drafted later and shown worse than Savoie thus far. How is Savoie a worse prospect than Lambert or Lekkerimaki? A couple inches in height? Because when it comes to stats he is above both in the AHL this year.

I think a gm would rather a pick that has a shot at being a lottery one, rather than something like Winnipegs 1st which is pretty much guaranteed to be a late 1st.

You want the flames to be worse off just to spite edmonton. Peak little brother energy lmao

The Flames have enough small wingers in their system and I don’t think Savoie is a centre in the NHL.
I think it is way more likely McDavid re-signs if the Oilers go on another deep run and Andersson helps with that.

 

[dgibb10]

I’m not. There is a material difference between having a player for one and a half years versus one playoff run. More teams will be interested. Learn what a pending UFA is if you want to be snarky.

Hanifin was a pending UFA.

Flames fans were convinced a magical extension would jack up his cost

I told flames fans that "with extension" on pending ufas isn't a real tool to increase value, and that he'd fetch the standard rental price as always.

and well, you know what happened next when he got traded (without an extension in place).

 

[Bond]

I told flames fans that "with extension" on pending ufas isn't a real tool to increase value, and that he'd fetch the standard rental price as always.

Yeah, no kidding. That isn’t a secret. I was responding to your comment about why Hanifin’s NTC was more limiting then Andersson’s. Hanifin had two teams he was willing to sign with and was able to block other sure fire playoff teams.

If the Flames wait to trade Andersson until the next deadline they will get a similar return.

 

[Szechwan]

so, I think I've seen a few post from oilers fan,

Honestly, as a Vancouver fan, I respect that.

 

[sabresnyper]

Byram and Rosen for Andersson

 

[Jarvi]

The Flames have enough small wingers in their system and I don’t think Savoie is a centre in the NHL.
I think it is way more likely McDavid re-signs if the Oilers go on another deep run and Andersson helps with that.

I can't argue with that. That's why I am willing to move the 1st so early when many Oil fans would say it's too risky. And I have been pencilling in Savoie as a winger, but due to our team needs that's the best fit. I'm not sure if he could be a top 6 C or not.

Idk your prospects as well as you do, but just glancing idk who you compare to Savoie? I don't see too many small wingers. There is the LHS Pelletier, but at almost 24 idk how high that ceiling is and what your teams longterm views are on him. I just don't see a ton of smaller, high offensive potential guys. Not disagreeing with you, but I'm curious who your thinking of.

Ekholm went for a 1st and Schaefer (who definitely did not have 1st round value imo). Chychrun went for a 1st (12th OA) and 2 2nds, then a 3rd and Jensen. Hronek went for a 1st (17 OA) and a 2nd. This is RA's value range imo, notice the lack of guaranteed center prospects. The highest end piece being a 1st that I think most at the time thought would be later than 12 OA.

In all of this, I noticed how much Ras has cooled down since the start of the year. What's the deal there?

 

[Zirakzigil]

This is hilarious considering he told 2 Flames beat reporters that he is happy in Calgary and open to a long term extension yesterday. He also flat out stated he hates Vancouver and Edmonton and the rumor is they are on his 6 team NTC.

Flames' Rasmus Andersson eyes future in Calgary despite uncertainty

Rasmus Andersson wants to remain a Calgary Flame. For the rest of this season, next season and hopefully beyond. If only it were that simple.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[dgibb10]

Yeah, no kidding. That isn’t a secret. I was responding to your comment about why Hanifin’s NTC was more limiting then Andersson’s. Hanifin had two teams he was willing to sign with and was able to block other sure fire playoff teams.

If the Flames wait to trade Andersson until the next deadline they will get a similar return.

Hanifin did not "block" a bunch of playoff teams from trading for him with his NTC.

Calgary tried to peddle him as "with an extension" and came back shocked and disappointed when the pending UFA wasn't willing to sign an extension with every single team in the league immediately and at a reasonable amount to do Calgary a favour.

 

[Dietpepsi]

Byram and Rosen for Andersson

He's got 1.5 yrs left and then as a UFA he'd be gone from Buffalo.
Byram is RFA where the team can control

Buffalo doesn't need a rental (they making a playoff run? lol)

Samuelsson, Greenway might be sabres they could look to move and picks.

But I'd like Buffalo to keep Greenway.