Rumor: Pagnotta: Flames are exploring trade market on Nazem Kadri

[RasmusAndersson]

Probably not. He loves playing with the young guys and it revitalized him.
Also why the f*** would Calgary ever have to retain? $7m for a 2C isn't a bad contract when 3Cs are getting 5m+

He probably wants to win a cup more than playing with some decent young guys and riding off into the sunset lol

 

[Bounces R Way]

He's had seasons of 87 and 75pts in the last three years. Unless there's some A assets in the return he won't be moved. His contract is actually pretty damn good for the next 2-3 years.

If he wants out is one thing, but if not I'd just prefer to hang on to him at least for another year. Worked wonders pivoting Zary and Pospisil.

 

[chaser17]

It won't happen but Kadri on the Oilers could be fun.

 

[Some Other Flame]

It sounds more like he's just not going to be moved.

That's one way of taking it.

The other is that all of 30 minutes after Pagnotta tweets this, Dreger, who's related to Dave Nonis the Flames' assistant GM, puts out a message essentially saying no, it's actually other teams that are calling about Kadri. And that the Flames really like him and he likes Calgary. But at the same time, doesn't say that the Flames don't want to move him, just that they're not in a "full tear down". In other words, 'we're not desperate enough to treat Kadri like a cap dump; you're gonna have to pay up if you want him."

 

[RasmusAndersson]

He played with Rantanen and Landeskog/Nuke and on the Avs scary PP.

He played with Zary and Pospisil on the Flamess anemic pp. it was just as good as that year if not better.

I mean completely different situation, he was our 1C and the only player on our whole team capable of carrying the puck so he got way more opportunity than he would in Colorado. Plus the point per game cup run is a massive factor in that season being a career-defining season for him. But either way hes a valuable 2C with a bad contract who will bring us back value if we take a decent sized cap dump back in return

 

[biturbo19]

Always has been

I mean...kinda sorta. That's how he got that idiotic deal in the first place, after all. But usually teams get a strong stink-a-whiff from those awful contracts like a year after they're signed...and it almost never really goes away.

So Kadri's contract potentially becoming palatable again probably says something really foreboding about this years particular UFA market.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

This has Jets or Canes written all over it. I doubt he's moved at all but those would be my guesses as to where he would go

 

[viper0220]

I think Utah is a possibility.

 

[DJJones]

I mean...kinda sorta. That's how he got that idiotic deal in the first place, after all. But usually teams get a strong stink-a-whiff from those awful contracts like a year after they're signed...and it almost never really goes away.

So Kadri's contract potentially becoming palatable again probably says something really foreboding about this years particular UFA market.

If flames didn't give him that contract someone else would have. Not sure why you are acting shocked

Ufa Centers get paid, always have

 

[Captain Mountain]

That's one way of taking it.

The other is that all of 30 minutes after Pagnotta tweets this, Dreger, who's related to Dave Nonis the Flames' assistant GM, puts out a message essentially saying no, it's actually other teams that are calling about Kadri. And that the Flames really like him and he likes Calgary. But at the same time, doesn't say that the Flames don't want to move him, just that they're not in a "full tear down". In other words, 'we're not desperate enough to treat Kadri like a cap dump; you're gonna have to pay up if you want him."

That seems like a pretty tenuous.

Its not up to Calgary, Kadri has a full NMC. Even if Calgary was planning on trading him, they need to get an offer from a team Kadri would be willing to go to before even bringing it to him.

I don't think anyone thought Kadri was a cap dump, he's a cup winner and just had a 75 point season. But "pay up" is pretty imprecise.

 

[MikeK]

I have no doubt Kadri would welcome a move. Yes, he has full control, but that won't stop the Flames from finding a destination or a trading partner. Kadri is a great player and many teams would be interested adding his experience and talent to their lineup. The CGY flames are years away from being a legitimate contender again. They have a few bad years in front of them. At his age I highly doubt Kadri is interested in sticking around for those struggling years. I fully expect him to be playing for a different team come training camp.

 

[Some Other Flame]

That seems like a pretty tenuous.

Its not up to Calgary, Kadri has a full NMC. Even if Calgary was planning on trading him, they need to get an offer from a team Kadri would be willing to go to before even bringing it to him.

I don't think anyone thought Kadri was a cap dump, he's a cup winner and just had a 75 point season. But "pay up" is pretty imprecise.

He does. And he's been vocal in the past about not wanting to be part of a rebuilding club. It might simply be a case of he doesn't absolutely want out, but he also wouldn't be absolutely opposed to a move either.

"Pay up" is basically saying the Flames likely expect something of value back. Doesn't have to be high end, but that Kadri isn't a cap dump and the Flames aren't going to do something ridiculous like retain 3.5M in cash for the next 5 years just to facilitate a move.

 

[WarriorOfGandhi]

Kadri @ 80% retained salary to Colorado for three 6th round picks & the right to retire Jordan Leopold's number

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Knies for Kadri @ 5mil

 

[aryanoboi]

Now I’m not that convinced that kadri is being explored (outside of the general “test the waters” that might be going on), but it is great to see as a flames fan that the ownership is finally accepting a scorched earth rebuild. I never thought I’d see this in my life.

 

[biturbo19]

If flames didn't give him that contract someone else would have. Not sure why you are acting shocked

Ufa Centers get paid, always have

They do. And i'm not shocked at all by it, wasn't shocked when the Flames handed him that deal. I was actually a little surprised it took as long as it did for him to get his megadeal at the time.


But generally, those contracts age like milk left out on the counter. A year out from the date of signing, they're almost always toxic or basically untradeable. As Kadri's was. But if they're now exploring trade options...that implies that the latest crop of UFA Center contracts is possibly so ghastly and beyond the norm, teams are actually circling back to previous "awful" contracts as an alternative? That's a yikes harbinger of what is going to happen on Monday.

 

[DJJones]

They do. And i'm not shocked at all by it, wasn't shocked when the Flames handed him that deal. I was actually a little surprised it took as long as it did for him to get his megadeal at the time.


But generally, those contracts age like milk left out on the counter. A year out from the date of signing, they're almost always toxic or basically untradeable. As Kadri's was. But if they're now exploring trade options...that implies that the latest crop of UFA Center contracts is possibly so ghastly and beyond the norm, teams are actually circling back to previous "awful" contracts as an alternative? That's a yikes harbinger of what is going to happen on Monday.

Well it's really just Lindholm and maybe Stamkos as other top 6 options and they both have their negatives as well.

So ya, it is a weak market but there's never that much that makes it to July 1st

 

[King Woodballs]

Who the f*** would take that contract.
Calgary playing parlour games saying the have no interest in moving him.

No. You have no interest in the shitty return you will get Conroy.
Like most of your recent trades.

 

[PensandCaps]

Who the heck would take on that contract?

He's slated to make $7M as a 39 year old in the future.

idk, short term impact? why are so many people acting like 7 million is a lot for a guy coming off a 75 point season, and is at worst a solid 2C. 7 million is peanuts for 2Cs in todays game, not to mention that the cap boomed a bit, making his contract even more valuable.

 

[innitfam]

Kadri with 1-2M retained is a decent fit for a team starved of C depth

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Knies for Kadri @ 5mil

Knies isn’t moving for Kadri

I would welcome him back in Toronto though. But not at that price. Robertson+ sure.

 

[stats1]

I just want to say how dumb Darren sounds with that whole “it’s not a complete tear down” please let’s not go full Craig Conroy now Darren. This guy makes it so obvious where he gets his info from

 

[DJJones]

idk, short term impact? why are so many people acting like 7 million is a lot for a guy coming off a 75 point season, and is at worst a solid 2C. 7 million is peanuts for 2Cs in todays game, not to mention that the cap boomed a bit, making his contract even more valuable.

Mangiapane just got sold for 5.8M. As an undersized 40 point winger. League is flooded with middle six wingers making 5+

7M for a top 6 center is peanuts.

 

[PensandCaps]

I think the kadri thing is interesting because he's still playing at a damn fine level. But you're absolutely going to have to buy that contract out at some point. I don't believe any NHL team thinks otherwise. It's a ticking time bomb.

I mean, i see everyone say this, explain? how so? where is it so evident that Kadri will magically decline anytime soon, making the contract an anchor? lets say even if there would be just 2 years of solid 2C play left, where then it would be 3 years left and the cap higher in two years time, i doubt 7 million will be some anchor for an assumed decent 3C with 3 years left if we assume he declines at all to that level, that quickly. People need to catch up to the cap changing.

 

[Conbon]

Who the f*** would take that contract.
Calgary playing parlour games saying the have no interest in moving him.

No. You have no interest in the shitty return you will get Conroy.
Like most of your recent trades.

Bro doesn't know what he's talking about