Proposal: Pacioretty for Marchand

[Oates2Neely]

Patches-----481 GP....174 G...170 A....344 TP.....71 PPG AVERAGE
Marchand---454 GP....153 G...136 A....289 TP......63 PPG AVERAGE.

What was that you were saying again.

When posting stat lines, we must take into account TOI, PP-TOI. Marchand has had almost no PP time until last season, even then he was on the 2nd unit. Curious what their 5-on-5 numbers will show.

I'm not knocking Pacioretty, he's a very good scorer, but Marchand just brings so much more to the table. Pacioretty often comes off as soft & disinterested. There's a reason Tortorella called him out publicly during the WHC.

 

[pierre gagnon*]

People calling them equal offensively is pretty insulting, Pacioretty scored over 30 goals (33, 39, 37, 30) 4 out of the last 5 seasons, Marchand scored 30 once.

My post was literally a few before yours, guess you did not read it, here it is again.

Marchand has managed at least 20 goals five times in five full seasons with Boston (he had 18 goals in the 48-game season), doing so with minimal power-play time. In fact, his 66 even-strength goals since the start of the 2013-14 season lands him in the same ballpark as more reputed scorers like Crosby (69), Patrick Kane (69), Phil Kessel (68) and John Tavares (67). Add to that he is an elite penatly killer, usually near the top of leading short handed goals who never floats around during shifts. That is FIFTH in the league 5 on 5 ahead of Ovie, Benn, Seguin, Tarasenko, I do not see patches name above his. Must have scored most of his goals on the generous amounts of powerplay time the habs seem to get. I would never trade Marchand for a streaky scorer with little heart in his game.

 

[ColinO]

When posting stat lines, we must take into account TOI, PP-TOI. Marchand has had almost no PP time until last season, even then he was on the 2nd unit. Curious what their 5-on-5 numbers will show.

I'm not knocking Pacioretty, he's a very good scorer, but Marchand just brings so much more to the table. Pacioretty often comes off as soft & disinterested. There's a reason Tortorella called him out publicly during the WHC.

For last 5 years 5 on 5:

Max - 358 GP - 97 G - 87 A - 184 P - 2.26 P/60
Brad - 357 GP - 78 G - 95 A - 173 P - 2.14 P/60

Interesting - didn't think it would be that close.

 

[jacks*]

For last 5 years 5 on 5:

Max - 358 GP - 97 G - 87 A - 184 P - 2.26 P/60
Brad - 357 GP - 78 G - 95 A - 173 P - 2.14 P/60

Interesting - didn't think it would be that close.

Last 5 season.
Max -358 GP-154 G-141 A -295 TP - .82 PPG
Brad -357 GP-132 G-115 A-247 TP - .69 PPG

 

[Oates2Neely]

Last 5 season.
Max -358 GP-154 G-141 A -295 TP - .82 PPG
Brad -357 GP-132 G-115 A-247 TP - .69 PPG

5-on-5,, as in Marchand didn't play on PP for 4 of the past 5 seasons so as Pacioretty offensive numbers obviously skewed in his favor.

5-on-5

 

[ColinO]

Last 5 season.
Max -358 GP-154 G-141 A -295 TP - .82 PPG
Brad -357 GP-132 G-115 A-247 TP - .69 PPG

You are using completely different stats than the ones I used. Was your point that Max plays on more powerplays and gets more TOI than Brad? If so, then you proved your point.

 

[CauZuki]

Patches for Kocherov is the deal MTL should be focusing on.

It's Kucherov and Tampa would never do this.

 

[Bread and Circuses]

Pacioretty often comes off as soft & disinterested.

Watch the clips of him off the ice from last years road to the winter classic, if you can get through it. Maybe he is different behind closed doors but man if I remember correctly he came across very dull on that show.

 

[Moose Head]

When posting stat lines, we must take into account TOI, PP-TOI. Marchand has had almost no PP time until last season, even then he was on the 2nd unit. Curious what their 5-on-5 numbers will show.

I'm not knocking Pacioretty, he's a very good scorer, but Marchand just brings so much more to the table. Pacioretty often comes off as soft & disinterested. There's a reason Tortorella called him out publicly during the WHC.

Tortorella is also a known idiot.

Neither team makes this trade.

Habs can't afford to get smaller on their top two lines. We have our Marchand in Gallagher.

Boston has a good thing going with Marchand. No sure thing Bergeron could develop the same type of chemistry with Max

 

[eFFeRR]

Truthfully.. Id rather keep Patches. I just feel he fits our needs more. Hes a better finisher and a bigger body. Obviously Marchand has that energy and fiestiness that any team would love but we already have Gallagher and Shaw for that.

Value wise.. Its pretty damn even.. Id give a slight edge to Pacioretty.

 

[CanadiensforLife]

Boston literally just announced the extension for Marchand. Why on earth would they do this? Patches is a nice scorer, but his 200 foot game doesn't come close to Marchand's. Bruins hang up and laugh.

They probably hang up but they certainly don't laugh... Never change Bruins fans.

 

[jacks*]

5-on-5,, as in Marchand didn't play on PP for 4 of the past 5 seasons so as Pacioretty offensive numbers obviously skewed in his favor.

5-on-5

We can't help it if Brad wasn't offensively good enough to play on the PP.
We do know Max was.

 

[TimeZone]

Why on earth does Boston do this?

 

[Kelly]

I know this may not be a popular opinion, but I take Marchand easily. He just brings much more to the table, and this is coming from guy who really dislikes him.

 

[nmbr_24]

We can't help it if Brad wasn't offensively good enough to play on the PP.
We do know Max was.

We also know that when Marchand gets even 2nd unit time he scores as much as Pacioretty.

 

[Hunter368]

I know this may not be a popular opinion, but I take Marchand easily. He just brings much more to the table, and this is coming from guy who really dislikes him.

Agreed, easy Marchand over Patches. Looks like most fans agree outside of Montreal

Neutral fan here

 

[BruinLVGA]

We can't help it if Brad wasn't offensively good enough to play on the PP.
We do know Max was.

Good for Max. Must be an achievement to get time on the 25th ranked PP in the league. Totally elite.

 

[TT1]

Lets be real, Patches isn't as good PP player. He's the same type of player as Marchand, they're both 5v5/PK players, Pacioretty has always been a defense first player.

 

[BatVader]

Really bad for Boston.
Give up a grit and grim player, who gives everything he has every time he hits the ice, for a player who gives just enough and disappears during games.

 

[Drake1588]

This is a good example of a player whose World Cup performance, in an otherwise forgettable tournament, actually contributed to his value. Sure, Marchand hasn't been an elite-level player for very long, with one high-end season under his belt. Yet he is presently worth a good deal more, and I say that as a fan of Pacioretty. The Bruins have no interest in moving him, and would not consider these two players to have similar value. Not many neutral parties would either, I suspect.

 

[PB37]

Boston just signed Marchand to a contract that signals they want him for the remainder of his career ( something Marchand intends on doing ). There's no way they'll trade him, so I don't understand the point of this thread. This would be better served as a " Who's better? " poll.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I'd definitely take Marchand.

 

[PB37]

In regards to " Who's Better ":

- My gut tells me that Max Pac is a better goal scorer, but digging deeper into the numbers, it's much closer than I thought. While Mac Pac has had the bigger goal years, Marchand hasn't been that far behind. I think before last season's goal scoring breakthru, Marchand averaged around 25 goals a year.

- Marchand has the most shorthanded goals since coming into the league, and by a rather ridiculous amount.

- I prefer Marchand's style over Max Pac. Marchand's antics may have it's detractors and while it's certainly gotten him in trouble, he's the best pest in the league when you combine his antics and mouth with the fact that he has top line skill. High energy, works hard and skates hard, plays against top lines with the best matchup center in the NHL, and like I noted above, is the biggest shorthanded threat in the league.

 

[Oates2Neely]

In regards to " Who's Better ":

- My gut tells me that Max Pac is a better goal scorer, but digging deeper into the numbers, it's much closer than I thought. While Mac Pac has had the bigger goal years, Marchand hasn't been that far behind. I think before last season's goal scoring breakthru, Marchand averaged around 25 goals a year.

- Marchand has the most shorthanded goals since coming into the league, and by a rather ridiculous amount.

- I prefer Marchand's style over Max Pac. Marchand's antics may have it's detractors and while it's certainly gotten him in trouble, he's the best pest in the league when you combine his antics and mouth with the fact that he has top line skill. High energy, works hard and skates hard, plays against top lines with the best matchup center in the NHL, and like I noted above, is the biggest shorthanded threat in the league.

5-on-5 goals, Pacioretty has averaged 4 more goals per season than Marchand the past 5 seasons.

 

[Benstheman]

5-on-5 goals, Pacioretty has averaged 4 more goals per season than Marchand the past 5 seasons.

Yeah. But PP is still part of NHL hockey.

That being said, i love grit and hart of Marchand. But you can't pass through silence the big number of bad penalties he takes.

I would still love Marchand on the Habs any day of the week.

That being said, i think Pacioretty and Marchand are equally good and bring about the same qualities (defensively, offensively, leadership) to the game.

But considering contracts and all, i give the edge to Pacioretty, value wise.